Animal Speak

topic posted Mon, November 7, 2005 - 12:05 AM by  Alanon
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Anyone have interesting anecdotes about how they communicated with beings from other species (Other than domestic pets)?
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Alanon
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  • Re: Animal Speak

    Tue, November 8, 2005 - 5:44 PM
    Several, but here is one, for now:

    Burning Man, 2002, black rock desert playa.

    One day I ventured on my bicycle outside of Black Rock City onto open playa.

    At one point I stopped, got off my bike, and sat down, some 15 feet away from my bike.

    I just sat there for 20 minutes or so...

    When to leave I got up and walked over my bike to see a light green "praying mantis" on my seat post.

    Hmmm?

    After looking at it and it looking at me for a moment, "Well, I guess I'll just go and sit down, let it be...., and at some point perhaps after it is off I will leave. No reason to bother it or try to get to know it more--been there done that."

    So I went back over and sat down, musing about this or that. Occasionally I WOULD look over (-: ok I was intrigued some, but didn't want to cramp its style). Eventually it made its way up the post, and just as it was to get up on the seat it fell off. But it immediately began its ascent up the bike, again. I did at this point come over to check the scene out, again making some eye contact, musing--and then sat over at a different place, about 8 feet away this time.

    Soon after I sat down and while looking at it, its way, sure enough it leaps off and flies right at me!!

    !! onto my hat.

    Rather shocked and stunned I had gotten up and taken my hat off, putting my hat with it on it on the ground, gently--and then sat down beside it.

    For a few minutes we both just looked at each other, not moving, but our heads a wee bit.

    It was a great experience just eye to eye.

    I won't go into what possible communications went on between us, beyond not especially recalling much of anything beyond the more general awe sense and feel see between us, the situation aint so special after all, and getting familiar.

    After a few moments of this, and having something coming up that I had to get to, I got up and walked a little away by my bike, over these few seconds beginning to try and figure out what would be best to do next.

    Stopping, looking at it, sure enough again it jumped up and flew over landing this time on my neck!!

    A little unnerved I gently flopped it off of my shirt onto the ground, and had another moment of relating to it.

    Hmmm ;-)

    Grateful and thankful, I went on my way.
    • Re: Animal Speak

      Tue, November 8, 2005 - 7:27 PM
      Very cool Nathan...a prime example of how the communication doesn't look like what we expect. Green buddy was definitely succeeding in getting your attention, and I wonder if there is even still a message percolating, while another part of me wonders if that encounter was only on account of your being the only other living thing around. I gotta be careful though, not to let my anlytic self get in the way of the point...maybe connecting was the point.
      • Re: Animal Speak

        Wed, November 9, 2005 - 6:45 PM
        Thanks, Alan

        >>>a prime example of how the communication doesn't look like what we expect.

        More or less, yes.

        (Along with your posts below, d and Alan) reminds me of another time where I went hiking up in the mountains, and on returning back upon a trail along a ravine (i.e. a trail frequented--excuse me, made over a very long period of time by deer, coyotes, etc) when all of a sudden upon passing around a corner down the ravine, down a 100 feet or so was a "herd" of deer--about 30 or so that had been proceeding up the trail.

        I stopped as they did.

        Initially, they were obviously scared, concerned, alert, ready to dart in reverse...., knowing that many humans have shot and/or killed or other vis a vis them before.

        Actually, as the seconds proceeded, they were cautious--like I was too, a sense of caution.

        As I was fundamentally non-threatenting, there was no immediacy of perceiving threatening, anger, desire, or fear from me.

        I had to go down the mountain, but I then stepped off to the left at more or less a 45 degree angle to them--merely went slowly off the trail to the left, at a distance that felt easily right for me and them, not looking at them (eyeing or gawking at something in such a kind of situation as this is usually perceived as threatening), but occasionally slowly turning a look and then away, experiencing that it was clear that I knew they were there but I was meaning no harm and giving them the trail while I would do a left out and on.

        While proceeding thus they at first slowly and then progressively moved up the trail, never darting or running, less and less herding together.

        So, a lot of communication operates on a feeling and common-sense level, and much without thinking--thinking vis a vis object (although it was a novel and somewhat rich experience for me).

        Intention could be key, but a lot of these experiences have more to do with not having any intentions--but having an appreciation experience of respect and equality, yes, mutual awareness, and learning that such experiences don't necessarily mean anything special.

        Sort of like such communications (like love) with other people or with family aren't really that special, as the Cosmos is fundamentally a wonderful place to begin with ;-)

        >>>Green buddy was definitely succeeding in getting your attention,

        I experienced it differently than this.

        >>>while another part of me wonders if that encounter was only on account of your being the only other living thing around.

        as well as differently than this, tho it was closer to this.

        If I had intentions, either "good," "bad," or ambivalent, then the experience could have/probably would have turned out very different.

        Healthy curiosity and a level of joy (part of true joy often is I have found finding the right word, communication, or simple relating with something) seemed to be operating through both of us, while, again, the cosmos is a wonderful place to experience ...and learn--i.e. in my experience, learning such as with learning lessons is wonderful.

        >>>and I wonder if there is even still a message percolating,

        No messages per se. Interpretations and relating however aren't necessarily going to always be the same every time, especially as the years have passed.
        • Re: Animal Speak

          Thu, November 10, 2005 - 11:40 AM
          Great description Nathan... it explains why I haven't had more success than I've had. With the deer, I think i spent too long looking at them, and then didn't acknowledge them as I went on my way. With the praying mantis, in your place, I don't think joy would have come to my mind when it flew in my face. I think at some level other species have a grasp of propriety...perhaps they're really sure of themselves, and you, if they 'think' they can fly in your face and survive.

          I've had encounters with wasps that have landed on me and I mentally said with respect they should move on before my reflexes kick in, and they've obliged. I've also mentally given directions to flies trapped indoors as to the way out, and they respond almost right away more often than not. I think respect is one of the main keys...
  • Re: Animal Speak

    Wed, November 9, 2005 - 9:48 AM
    interesting question, and no clear answers are popping into my head. i guess that's a sign of the blockages between human animals (of our culture) and other living beings. it's not something that i habitually think about.

    i guess off the top of my head, i would say that mutual awareness is what i've experienced as "communication" with other species.
    • Re: Animal Speak

      Wed, November 9, 2005 - 1:17 PM
      Good point d...it reminds me that two species simply noticing each other can be very rich with nuances. The praying mantis was "in your face" literally, but there can be subtleties. I was still watching deer very nearby, and had all my attention on them, not intrusively, just like in their leisurely alertness. My mind started to wander, and without realizing it I was moving just enough to startle them. I broke the presence, but i guess it's all in how it's done..

      I remember reading a great anecdote about Jim Nollman, who played a monotonous tune on his flute while trying to get close to a herd of buffalo. He said something like this:
      "I was about sixty feet away, and the tune I was playing was so repetitive I was almost hypnotizing myself. Then I noticed a vague ring of light around the herd, so vague that if I blinked it might have disappeared. I crossed it, and the lead buffalo started lowering its head and hoofing the dirt. I backed off and it stopped. As an experiment I moved forward, crossing the ring, and it began hoofing again. I did this a couple of times to make sure the two events were connected. So I stayed put, stepping around on the spot while playing my flute. I must have advanced about ten feet an hour, so that before I knew it I was surprised to find myself in the middle of the herd. I guess I took the ime to demonstrate I wasn't a threat."

      Don't try this at home folks...
    • Re: Animal Speak

      Mon, January 15, 2007 - 1:27 AM
      Interestingly enough, there was a study done in England about a decade ago which asked respondents that if they had to choose, which would they keep-- their spouses or their pets (most usually of the feline or canine persuasion)? A full 70% chose their pets....

      So then why are we so human-centric? Why would we even allow it? Almost all of television is about human life, except the nature channels. If you think about public transit for example, mutual awareness doesn't happen unless absolutely necessary. And yet cats and dogs teach us so much about affection, unconditional acceptance and loyalty-- things that are NOT beyond us as individuals or as a species, yet we have lost any faith that our own species can teach us those things.

      The Law of Nature is biodiversity. There is more to life on Earth than cash crops, (so-called) civilization, and GNP.
  • Re: Animal Speak

    Fri, January 5, 2007 - 11:26 AM
    what a great topic. i live in a rainforest in southeast alaska and interact with wildlife all the time. just this summer, i sat under a tarp for weeks listening to the hemlocks and spruce making rain, danced and quorked with a flock of ravens, sang a love lullaby to a pissed off mama grizzly to try to appease her so that she wouldn't attack me (it worked), and was chased around a clearcut by a young bull moose. i found meaning in each interaction.

    the trees and rain helped me to slow down. no messages were transmitted, but i definitely had a feeling that i was loved and cared for as i loved and cared for the trees and rain. the ravens taught me that humans can be pretty silly. the bear taught me to have more respectful caution, that all confrontation can be negotiable, and that they are the royalty of the forest. and the moose taught me that i still have a very real fear of "the wild." i assumed that the moose was trying to push me away as it kept approaching me and i kept deferring for almost an hour. finally, i abandonded the clearcut and walked to a nearby wetland. a few minutes later, the moose appeared, plunged into the slow moving water and passed on its way. what if the moose was curious about me? what if it wanted to smell me, see who/what i was? out of fear, i didn't let that happen. i think our culture teaches us to fear anything that isn't civilized and predictable. moose are dangerous but that doesn't mean they have evil intents and just go around bashing in people's bodies.
    • Re: Animal Speak

      Sat, January 6, 2007 - 8:43 PM
      wow shape...you are definitely living it big time. People call it the Wild, but it's really just Nature. If anything our urban jungles are wild, and far more dangerous. Cars alone could do us in at any moment, let alone random crime. Yet people fear being in the woods on their own more than walking the streets at night. I've always felt a profound acceptance in Nature, and also a generosity. I wonder if the moose was worried about you in the clearcut, since to other species it represents a more immediate danger to them.
      • Re: Animal Speak

        Sun, January 7, 2007 - 7:22 PM
        I find it is quite the opposite for me. I recently moved into the middle of Atlanta. Prior to this experience the largest town I have lived in had about 100,000 people and most of my life I've lived in the country side. I am much more fearful of this city than I ever have been in the "wilds" of nature. Soon I will be done here and I will return to the wild nature where I belong.
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          Sun, January 7, 2007 - 7:57 PM
          Glad to hear there are a few people left that were raised in the country and long to return there...the ratio of country and city dwellers has reversed in the last century as you probably know. I was raised in a big city and am gradually working my down....Victoria's population is about 300,000 and one day that will be too big for me.
          • Re: Animal Speak

            Thu, January 25, 2007 - 10:49 PM
            what do you mean when you asked if i thought the moose was worried about me in the clearcut?
            • Re: Animal Speak

              Fri, January 26, 2007 - 7:59 AM
              From the moose's point of view, a clearcut is disastrous... it must be disorienting for the smaller critters, and a disappointment for species that used to feed there. My guess is that the moose was just making sure you were all right, but since you were there your guess is probably better :)
              • Re: Animal Speak

                Thu, February 8, 2007 - 11:20 PM
                gotcha. clearcuts are scary, fucked up places, no doubt about it. i like to think of the moose as being more curious than worried. it looked like maybe this was his first year without his mom and he was trying to figure his world out.

                has anyone had any experiences singing to animals? i have found that when i sing a song that is coming to me at that place and time (and not prepared), i sometimes attract a bird to roost nearby and listen.
                • Re: Animal Speak

                  Fri, February 9, 2007 - 11:02 AM
                  wow.....thats really interesting......i think i might try it.
                  I been tuning to the local bird population lately and trying to differentiate them by their songs.
                  Maybe thats a key thing, speaking to them in there own language....
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                    Re: Animal Speak

                    Fri, February 9, 2007 - 12:27 PM
                    I notice when I sing to birds they either become silent with curiosity or answer back. One memorable time I was walking through the woods and was followed by an owl. She would hoot, I would hoot, she would fly to a branch in the tree just ahead of me, and we did this at least six times.

                    I've read some really neat examples of singing to animals in a book called "Sacred World" by Jeremy Hayward. In it, a man named Jim Nollman managed to free some whales that were trapped in a hole in the Arctic ice, by luring them to the open ocean by playing his guitar in the key of D (Other keys didn't work as well). Another time, he tried to approach a buffalo herd by playing the flute, and managed to get to the middle of the herd once he proved he wasn't a threat.
  • Re: Animal Speak

    Mon, March 19, 2007 - 11:46 PM
    I frequently dream (as in literally dreaming, while asleep) of "conversations" with animals. It's something that's been with me my whole life, as long as I can remember. The most recent dream was a few days ago. I feed and talk to "my" wild birds that visit my deck every morning and throughout the day, and in this recent dream, the birds were "talking" to me about what kinds of seed they like the most. As for their "language" (or mine, with them), I'm not sure what it sounded like, or if it was purely telepathic. I think I would've been able to answer that if asked immediately after waking, but now, almost a week later, it's too vague and distant. But I do remember that it was much like a conversation I'd have with anyone I was interested in, getting to be friends with--- asking questions, listening very carefully to the answers, joking, laughing a little. The birds were talking to me about which seeds they preferred, of the types that I feed them, and somehow we got onto descriptions (or their "way of explaining") what various foods taste or feel like to them. I asked a couple of clarifying questions, which the whole group of birds seemed to find amusing. (Like if someone who had never been to the South said "Grits? What is a 'grit'? What does it taste like?", causing the locals to chuckle). One of them had explained that a particular food tasted like "____" (some word or sound or concept that was foreign to me). I'd repeated the word or sound and said "What is that?" or "What does that mean?". When the dream was fresh in my mind I could've quoted all this. At one point I ran my hand through a pile of some sort of mound of seed or other food, and put some of it into my mouth, trying to "understand" the taste and texture of the food , from the birds' perspective. They asked me what it tasted like to me, I tried to explain, we all sort of laughed about our different perceptions and languages. As I always do when I have these sorts of dreams, I felt comfortable, "at home" with these creatures, protective, honored that they were sharing their time, energy, and information with me. I felt (as I do in "real life") that they were "my family", and I felt so happy to know that they do enjoy the food I put out for them. :)
    • Re: Animal Speak

      Tue, March 20, 2007 - 12:10 PM
      Dang, why don't I dream like that...

      Ever seen the movie documentary "The Wild Parrots of Telegraph Hill"? A great story, and worth the price of admission to see a parrot dancing to a guy plunking blues on his guitar.
      • Re: Animal Speak

        Mon, May 21, 2007 - 3:30 PM
        Speaking of our winged brothers and sisters, my partner mentioned an encounter with a seagull from her 22nd floor window. While she was enjoying the view of the Olympic mountains across the Juan de Fuca strait, a seagull flew past, turned its head and looked her in the eye, wheeled and swooped to the balcony rail and pecked the glass with its beak. Given she wasn't eating, what do you suppose that was about? Begging behaviour?