toxic buildup of chemicals from dying muscle cells, and liver cell death

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EFFEXOR: COURT CASES

Antidepressant Effexor Poses Fatal Overdose Risk

Effexor, the world’s most lucrative antidepressant has been found to pose a risk of overdose and even death in patients taking the drug. Effexor is for the treatment of major depressive disorder, and is most frequently prescribed for patients with symptoms of depression, generalized anxiety disorder or social anxiety disorder.

In October 2006, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration warned doctors to prescribe Effexor in the smallest possible quantities, to reduce the risk of overdose. In a letter to health-care providers, Wyeth, the maker of Effexor (venlafaxine HCI), stated that death had been reported from overdose of the drug. The letter was posted on the FDA Web site, and requested that doctors prescribe low doses “consistent with good patient management.”

Wyeth's warning letter did not disclose how many Effexor overdose cases had been reported. The most commonly reported Effexor overdose effects include fast heart rate, changes in consciousness (ranging from sleepiness to coma), seizures, vomiting, and eye pupil dilation.

The letter also notes that death, electrocardiogram (EKG) changes, slow heart rhythms, low blood pressure, vertigo, toxic buildup of chemicals from dying muscle cells, and liver cell death have also been reported with Effexor overdoses.
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The label revision was also made to the extended-release version of Effexor, known as Effexor XR. The new label notes published studies showing that Effexor's risk of fatal overdoses may be higher than the class of antidepressants known as selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs). The label also notes that the fatal-overdose risk is lower than that of older depression drugs called tricyclic antidepressants. SSRIs include Prozac, Paxil, Celexa, and Zoloft. Tricyclic antidepressants include Elavil and Norpramin.

Register your Effexor Case:

If you or a loved one has been the victim of violent, destructive,or irrational behavior induced by the use of Effexor, you may qualify for damages or remedies that may be awarded in a possible Effexor class action lawsuit.

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  • The number of people who have become violent, destructive,or irrational on this family of drugs is quite shocking. But these were not people who overdosed as far as we know.

    You can read thousands of news stories at this site.

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    The FDA wants doctors to prescribe Effexor in the smallest possible quantities. How ever it is the antidepressant MOST likely to cause withdrawal. So what happens when people are in emergency situations where they are unable to get a prescription filled? How many people were in antidepressant withdrawal during the disaster in New Orleans?
    • I may be wrong but my thinking on this is the drug builds up in the system over time and becomes toxic. Which could account for perhaps the cysts in my liver. I am not sure but I know of at least two other ladies that have quit effexor for a varying number of years and they are not getting better. Both has severe stomach issues as did I while taking effexor. One seems to have stablised with no energy and no life but I think she will live the other sounds like she is dying have not heard from her in a while she visits many doctors last report she was too sick to go to the doctor. Emerg has nothing for her had a zillion tests all show nothing. Of course it could be something else but they both blame effexor.
      Perhaps it is damage done to the liver by the drug that leads to the toxic build up as the drug is metabolised in the liver. bad liver function = toxic build up
      • Your theory is as good as any I have read. We may never know why this happens. So far I have not seen any research on the subject. But that is no surprise considering who is controlling most research these days.
        • maybe maybe not I am not my brain is not clicking well today so I will let you guys decide I will be back to read it another day when my brain works.

          Psychopharmacology Bulletin 30(2):251-259, 1994.



          Inhibition of Hepatic P-450 Isoenzymes by Serotonin Selective

          Reuptake Inhibitors: In Vitro and In Vivo Findings and Their

          Implications for Patient Care



          Sheldon H. Preskorn, M.D., and Ryan D. Magnus, M.D.



          Department of Psychiatry, University of Kansas School of Medicine, and Psychiatric Research Institute, Wichita, KS.

          Reprint requests: Dr. Sheldon H. Preskorn, Department of Psychiatry, University of Kansas School of Medicine in Wichita, 1010 North Kansas, Wichita, KS 67214.

          Abstract

          The effect on hepatic isoenzymes is emerging as the major clinically important distinguishing characteristic among the selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs). Although this fact has only recently gained widespread attention, the knowledge that some SSRIs inhibit hepatic metabolism dates back almost 20 years. This paper will first provide an overview of hepatic isoenzymes and then present the history and our current understanding of the effects of different SSRIs on different hepatic isoenzymes. Moat of the attention in this area has focused on drug-drug Interactions. This paper will also review recent work indicating that genetically determined differences in hepatic isoenzymes function can be risk factors in the development of a variety of diseases. The possible implication of this work relative to the long-term use of SSRIs will be discussed.

          Over the last several years, there has been growing interest in the effects of drugs on hepatic isoenzyme function. This interest has been stimulated by reports of serious toxic reactions in patients whose clearance of TCAs and terfenadine was delayed by selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) such as fluoxetine and by antifungal agents such as ketoconazole respectively. This paper will review the history and our current understanding of this area.



          Hepatic Isoenzymes

          There are two major classes of P450 isoenzymes: those that catalyze the formation of a variety of endogenous substances (e g., steroids, prostaglandins, fatty acids) and those that metabolize a wide range of foreign chemicals (e g., drugs, environmental pollutants, natural plant and animal products, and alcohols). The metabolism of foreign substances may produce metabolites implicated in initiation and progression of various disease (e g., tumors) (Nebert et al. 1991; Nelson et al. 1993). The former are predominantly located in mitochondria and the latter predominantly in the smooth endoplasmic reticulum. There is modest overlap between these two groups. Out of 26 gene families so far described in animal and plant species, 11 families comprised of 14 subfamilies have been identified so far in man (Table 1). Of these 11, 3 families (1, 2, and 3) have so far been implicated in most drug metabolism. Each family and subfamily is defined by the degree of similarity in the amino acid sequence of the isoenzyme. Thus, there is structural similarity between these isoenzymes such that a drug that affects one may affect others. For example, fluoxetine appears to inhibit at least three hepatic isoenzymes from different subfamilies: 2D6, 3A3/4, and one or more of the 2C series (Table 2).

          Our knowledge is rudimentary but expanding rapidly with regard to what are the substrates for these enzymes in terms of both drugs and naturally occurring substances. Most of our current knowledge is restricted to drugs rather than to other xenobiotics, even though the latter may also have considerable health consequences.



          TABLE 1. Human Hepatic Isoenzymes as Classified

          By Family, Subfamily and Gene*

          1A1
          1A2
          2A6
          2A7

          2B6

          2C8

          2C9

          2C9

          2C18

          2C19

          2D6

          2F1

          2E1
          3A3/4
          3A5

          3A7
          4A9
          4B1

          4F2

          4F3
          5 7 11A1
          11B1

          11B2
          17 19 21A2 27

          *Key to Classification

          The first Arabic numeral represents the family.
          The following alphabetic letter represents the subfamily.
          The second Arabic numeral represents the individual gene within the subfamily.
          Adapted from Nelson et al. 1993



          The clearance of many drugs and of xenobiotics is dependent on P450 enzyme-mediated biotransformation into polar metabolites, which are then filtered through the kidneys. Such biotransformation is often the rate-limiting step and may be dependent on the functional status of a single enzyme. If the enzyme is not functional because of genetic deficiency, concomitant ingestion of an inhibitor, or concurrent disease, then the target's (i.e., drug or xenobiotic) clearance can be appreciably delayed, resulting in accumulation substantially greater than expected and a prolongation of its half-life due to the fact that its elimination becomes dependent on direct filtration of the parent drug or on biotransformation by enzymes that have low affinity for the substrate. This scenario can have profound consequences in terms of the patient's response to the target (e.g., a drug), such as serious toxicity if that drug has a narrow therapeutic index or reduced efficacy, if efficacy is in part or wholly mediated by the metabolites rather than by the parent drug.



          Serotonin Selective Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRI's) and Hepatic Isoenzyme Function

          There has been a growing awareness that specific SSRIs can inhibit specific P450 isoenzymes. The inhibition produced by SSRIs is competitive and reversible in contrast to suicidal (i.e., noncompetitive and irreversible) inhibition such as the inhibition of monoamine oxidase produced by drugs (such as phenelzine and tranylcypromine). Hence, the degree of inhibition is a function of several variables: The affinity of the SSRI for the enzyme x its concentration at the enzyme in relation to the affinity of the substrate (i.e., drug, other xenobiotic, foreign chemical, or intrinsic substance) whose metabolism and clearance is being inhibited and the concentration of this substrate at the enzyme. This concept is central to understanding the rest of the paper.

          The experience with fluoxetine demonstrates how long the delay can be between identification of a potential problem and its clarification (Table 2). In 1976, fluoxetine was reported to inhibit the metabolism of hexobarbital and ethinamate in rats (Fuller et al. 1976). In 1988, the first cases of a serious interaction between fluoxetine and TCAs were reported from our department. The addition of fluoxetine to patients on stable doses of TCAs resulted in an appreciable increase in TCA plasma levels (Vaughan 1988). The first report of this phenomenon came 12 years after the initial discovery of an effect of fluoxetine on the hepatic metabolism of other drugs and less than I year after marketing. During that year of marketing, over S00,000 people were exposed to this risk. Fortunately, therapeutic drug monitoring in the case of TCAs was available to simultaneously detect the phenomenon and reduce the likelihood of serious adverse outcome by permitting the clinician to adjust the dose to compensate for the reduction in drug clearance induced by fluoxetine Despite this report and the ones that followed, several years elapsed between identification of the problem and the cause: fluoxetine -induced inhibition of the hepatic isoenzyme 2D6 (Crewe et al. 1992).



          TABLE 2. History of P450 Isoenzymes and SSRI’s.

          Year Finding Reference
          1976 Fluoxetine inhibits the metabolism of barbiturates in rats Fuller et al. 1976
          1988 Fluoxetine is marketed
          1988 Fluoxetine reported to increase plasma levels of TCAs Vaughan 1988
          1988 Fluoxetine reported to decrease clearance of diazepam suggesting an effect on P450 2C series. Lemberger et al. 1988
          1991 SSRI's reported to inhibit P450 2D6 in vitro Crewe et al. 1992
          1991 Fluoxetine reported to inhibit metabolism of alprazolam indicating effects on P450 3A3/4 Lasher et al. 1991 Greenblatt et al. 1992
          1993 Fluoxetine demonstrated in vitro von moltke et al.
          1994 Fluoxetine demonstrated in vitro to inhibit alprazolam probably via an effect on 3A3/4 von Moltke et al.
          1994a
          SSRI=serotonin selective reuptake inhibitors
          TCA=tricyclic antidepressants
          Copyright S. Preskorn.




          Since that time, significant progress has been made in understanding the phenomenon. Whereas there was previously debate as to how common the interaction was, it is now recognized to occur in the vast majority of the population if they take tricyclic antidepressants or similar drugs dependent on 2D6 for their elimination in the presence of fluoxetine . The hepatic isoenzyme 2D6 is the rate-limiting enzyme for the clearance of drugs like TCAs in over 95 percent of Caucasians and 99 percent of Asians (Alvan et al. 1990; Meyer 1990). At the minimally effective, recommended dose of fluoxetine (20 mg/day), individuals who combine these drugs become phenocopies of individuals genetically deficient of 2D6 (Preskorn et al. 1994). On conventional doses of TCAs, such patients will develop excessively high concentrations (i.e., 450 ng/mL). Such concentrations can cause delirium, seizures, heart blocks, and sudden death (Preskorn 1993c; Preskorn & Fast 1991,1992; Preskorn & Jerkovich 1990).

          The concern is more than just with fluoxetine and with fluoxetine it is more than just its effects on 2D6. Different SSRIs inhibit different hepatic isoenzymes to varying degrees. fluoxetine inhibits at least three hepatic isoenzymes: 2D6 (Lemberger et al.1988; von Moltke et al. 1994a) (Table 4), 3A3/4 (Greenblatt et al. 1992; Lasher et al. 1991; von Moltke et al. l994b) and probably one or more of the 2C series (Lemberger et al.1988). The effect on 3A3/4 is suggested by the fact that fluoxetine inhibits the clearance of alprozolam. In a similar way, the effect on a 2C enzyme is suggested by the original finding in rodents since the barbiturates are metabolized by the 2C series (Fuller et al. 1976). fluoxetine has also been found to delay in humans the clearance of diazepam which appears to be dependent on one of the members of the P4S0 2C subfamily. The effect on 2D6 is substantially greater than the effect on the other two enzymes at fluoxetine's usually effective minimum dose of 20 mg/day (Bertilsson et al. 1989).

          The magnitude of the effect of fluoxetine at the usually effective, minimum dose (20 mg/day) on 3A3/4 and the enzymes responsible for the metabolism of alprozolam and diazopam are not known. The problem is the long half-life of fluoxetine and its active metabolite, norfluoxetine . In the drug interaction studies published, volunteers have generally received the fluoxetine for less than 10 days. Since it takes I to 2 months to reach steady state of norfluoxetine on the usually effective minimum dose (i.c, 20 mg/day) and longer at higher doses, these reports underestimate the full effect of fluoxetine on the clearance of drugs dependent on the functional integrity of these enzymes. The degree of hepatic enzyme inhibition is dependent on the concentration of fluoxetine and norfluoxetine (Table 3) (Preskorn et al.1994; von Moltke et al., 1994b). Since fluoxetine inhibits its own clearance and thus has nonlinear pharmacokinetics (Preskorn 1993a), higher doses of fluoxetine will produce a disproportionately greater degree of enzyme inhibition until the enzyme is completely inhibited. The long half-life of norfluoxetine means the effect on the hepatic isoenzymes will persist for a considerable period of time after fluoxetine has been discontinued. In the case of 2D6, the enzyme was still substantially inhibited 3 weeks after fluoxetine discontinuation in volunteers who had received 20 mg/day of fluoxetine for only 3 weeks (Preskorn et al. 1994). The autoinhibition of fluoxetine clearance also means that its half-life will be longer at higher doses. Thus, the effect of fluoxetine on hepatic isoenzymes would be both greater and more prolonged at higher doses (Preskorn et al. 1994). The clinician must keep these facts in mind when treating patients with drugs dependent on these hepatic isoenzymes for their clearance, even many weeks after the discontinuation of fluoxetine .

          Paroxetine is the most potent inhibitor of 2D6 in vitro (Table 4). However, it produces approximately the same degree of in vivo inhibition in humans as does fluoxetine at each drug's respective usually effective, minimum antidepressant dose (i.e., 20 mg/day) due to the difference in drug concentrations produced by that dose of those two drugs: approximately 40 ng/mL of Paroxetine vs. approximately 22S ng/mL of fluoxetine plus norfluoxetine (Preskorn 1993b; Preskorn et al. 1994). The degree of enzyme inhibition is a function of the potency of the drug for inhibiting the enzyme x the drug concentration achieved by a given dose. Like fluoxetine , Paroxetine inhibits its own clearance so that the half-life is prolonged at higher doses and there is a disproportionate increase in Paroxetine concentrations with dose increases (Preskorn 1993a). There has not been sufficient work done to determine whether Paroxetin affects 3A3/4 or the 2C series.



          TABLE 3. Relationship Between Drug Response and Pharmacodynamics and Pharmacokinetics.

          RESPONSE = Potency for mechanism of action x Concentration at the effector site.

          OUTCOME = Pharmacodynamics x Pharmacokinetics

          Copyright S. Preskorn



          Sertraline does inhibit 2D6 in vitro but is the weakest of these three SSRIs in this regard (Table 4). In addition, plasma levels of sertraline are the lowest of these three SSRI's at its usually effective, minimum dose (i.e., 50 mg/day) (Preskorn 1993b; Preskorn et al. 1994). These two facts appear to explain why sertraline at this dose produces substantially less in vivo inhibition of the enzyme in volunteers at its usually effective, minimum dose than do fluoxetine and Paroxetine (Table 5). At higher concentrations, sertraline would be expected to produce a greater degree of enzyme inhibition (Preskorn et al. 1994). Since sertraline does not inhibit its clearance, the half-life of this drug does not change over its clinically relevant dose range, and dose increases produce proportional changes in drug concentration (Preskorn 1993a). Sertraline is a less potent in vitro inhibitor of 3A3/4 than is norfluoxetine (von Moltke et al. 1994b). For the same reasons as with 2D6, sertraline would be expected to produce less inhibition of this enzyme in vivo. Sertraline produces a negligible change in diazepam clearance in normal volunteers suggesting that sertraline is a less potent inhibitor of the 2C isoenzyme responsible for the biotransformation of diazepam than is fluoxetine (Gardner et al., in press).

          Fluvoxamine is an even weaker in vitro inhibitor of 2D6 than is sertraline. The available data also suggests that it does not produce clinically meaningful inhibition of 2D6 in vivo (Crewe et al. 1992). Its effects on 3A3/4 and the 2C series have not been adequately studied to make any statement. In contrast to the other three SSRIs, fluvoxamine is a potent inhibitor of the hepatic isoenzyme 1A2 in vitro (Brosen et al.1993b). The usually effective, minimum dose of fluvoxamine produces clinically meaningful in vivo inhibition of this enzyme in humans (Bertschy et al. 1991; Spina et al. 1992).

          The fact that several SSRIs share both the ability to inhibit 2D6 and the neuronal uptake pump for serotonin suggests that there may be a structural similarity between these two mechanisms. However, there is a difference in the rank order of the potency of the drugs for this effect. Based on in vitro studies using hepatic microsomes, the rank order for the inhibition of 2D6 for SSRIs marketed in the United States is: Paroxetine > fluoxetine > > sertraline (Table 4). Based on in vitro studies using rat brain synaptosomes, the rank order for the inhibition of the neuronal uptake for serotonin is: Paroxetine = sertraline > > fluoxetine (Shank et al. 1988). Citalopram, an SSRI marketed in Europe, is 30 times weaker than paroxetine as an inhibitor of 2D6 but is only 10 times weaker than paroxetine as an inhibitor of the neuronal uptake pump for serotonin (Hyttel & Larsen 1985).



          TABLE 4. The Relative Potency (Ki, um) of Three Different Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRIs) and Their Metabolites for Inhibiting the Functional Integrity of the Hepatic Isoenzyme 2D6.

          SSRI and metabolite Crewe et al
          1992.
          Skjelbo et al.
          1992
          von Moltke et al.
          1993
          Otton et al.
          1994
          Otton et al.
          1993

          Paroxetine .15 .36 - .065 -
          M2 .5 - - - -
          Fluoxetine .6 .92 3 .15 .17
          Norfluoxetine .45 .33 3.5 - .19
          Sertraline .7 - 22.7 1.2 1.5
          Desmethylsertraline - - 16.9 - -

          NOTE: All scores based on in vitro studies using human hapatic microsomes.

          Copyright S. Preskorn



          TABLE 5. Variables Determining the Magnitude of Effect on P450 2D6.

          In vitro potenciesa

          Paroxetine > fluoxetine > Sertraline

          Plasma drug concentrations on minimum, effective doseb

          Paroxetine on 20 mg/day . 40 ng/mL

          fluoxetine on 20 mg/day, 2W ng/mL

          Sertraline on 50 mg/day = 25 ng/mL

          Type of pharmacokineticsc

          Paroxetine - nonlinear

          fluoxetine - nonlinear

          Sertraline - linear

          In vivo effect on desipramine (DMI)d

          Paroxetine , 20 mg/day -

          400% prorogation of DMI clearance

          fluoxetine , 20 mg/day -

          400% prorogation of DMI clearance

          Sertraline, 50 mg/day

          30% prorogation of DMI clearance


          --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

          aSee table 4

          bPlasma levels in young healthy volunteers. Plasma level9 of Paroxetine are considerably higher in healthy elderly (265 years). Minimal effect is seen with sertraline (Preskorn 1993b). fluoxetine has not been adequately studied.

          cPreskorn 1993a

          dBrosen et al. 1993a; Preskorn et al. t994.

          Copyright S. Preskorn



          Studies demonstrating the in vivo differences between fluoxetine , sertraline, and paroxetine have used the tricyclic antidepressant, desipramine (DMI), as the model substrate for the enzyme (Brosen et al. 1992; Preskorn et al. (1994). Beyond demonstrating that there is a differential effect of these three SSRIs on the clearance of DMI at each SSRI's respective usually effective, minimum dose, the results with DMI are a reflection of the functional inhibition of 2D6 activity for any substrate (e.g., another drug or a xenobiotic) which depends on 2D6 mediated biotransformation for its clearance from the body. The question then is: What is the absolute magnitude of the 2D6 inhibition?

          The results from the normal volunteer studies of DMI suggest that paroxetine and fluoxetine at 20 mg/day produce substantial inhibition of 2D6 (Brosen et al. 1993b; Preskorn et al. 1994). This conclusion is based on the observation that almost the same DMI plasma level is achieved per mg/day DMI dose in the average patient concomitantly being treated with these two SSRIs at this dose as are achieved in patients who are genetically deficient in the enzyme (Brosen et al.1993a; Preskorn 1993a, Preskorn et al. 1994). In vitro modeling supports the same conclusion suggesting that the concentrations of fluoxetine and norfluoxetine that would be expected to be achieved on 20 mg/day should produce 80-o inhibition of 2D6. In contrast, combined levels of sertraline and desmethylsertraline that would occur as a result of treatment with 50 mg/day should produce approximately a 15% inhibition of the enzyme (von Moltke et al. 1994a).



          Examples of Types of Increased Drug Toxicity Associated With Specific

          Hepatic Isoenzyme Deficiency

          The concern about the effect of SSRIs and other drugs (e.g., antifungal agents such as ketoconazole) on hepatic isoenzymes has focused on the immediate problem, decreased clearance of another drug leading to the possibility of acute toxic accumulations of that drug on conventional doses. To put such interactions in perspective, it is useful to review the work that has been done to understand genetically determined deficiency in hepatic isoenzymes in increasing the risk of both acute and more chronic drug toxicity.

          Due to a mutation, some individuals either: (1) produce an abnormal form of a specific hepatic isoenzyme in terms of its affinity for the substrate, its maximal velocity, or its stereoselectivity for the reaction, or (2) have a decreased rate of synthesis, and/or (3) an increased rate of degradation of the enzyme. Such mutations produce individuals who are functionally deficient in the enzyme. As would be expected, such individuals have been found to be at increased risk for acute drug toxicity when given drugs that are dependent on the affected enzyme for their clearance and that have narrow therapeutic indexes.

          The ability to detect such serious interactions is directly related to the rapidity of toxicity onset and its severity. The ability to make the casual connection between reduced clearance and drug toxicity is also helped when the investigator can measure the drug level and demonstrate that the toxicity is associated with unexpectedly high levels of the drug or its metabolites. There are multiple examples of such toxicity. Perhaps the best known in psychiatry has already been discussed, the toxicity due to the accumulation of excessive concentrations of TCAs in individuals functionally deficient in P4SO 2D6 activity (Preskorn & Fast 1991, 1992; Preskorn & Jerkovich 1990).

          In addition to acute toxic drug reactions, differences in hepatic isoenzyme function are associated with adverse consequences that have longer latencies and therefore are more difficult to detect. For example, individuals functionally deficient in P450 2D6 activity are at substantially greater risk for peripheral neuropathy or hepatotoxicity when they use perhexiline for antianginal therapy (Cooper et al.1984). This fact severely restricts the use of this otherwise effective agent in these patients. There are a number of other examples of delayed toxicity caused by reduced drug clearance. There is an increased incidence of isoniazid-induced peripheral neuropathy in individuals who are slow N-acetylators (SAs) (Devadatta et al. 1960; Hughes et al. 1954). N-acetylation controls the rate of elimination of isoniazid. Hydralazine-induced lupus erythematous is overwhelmingly a disease of SAs (Uetrecht & Woosley 1991).

          Toxicity may be due to either the delayed clearance of a toxic drug or its metabolite or the increased production of such a metabolite. In the latter case, an aberrant, or usually minor enzymatic pathway, is used to clear a drug because a deficiency exists in the usual pathway. For example, SA status determines the incidence and severity of toxic reactions in patients being treated with salicylazopyridine. Sulfapyridine is produced in the gut by bacterial enzymes that cleave the parent drug, salicylazopyridine, at the azo linkage. The sulfapyridine is then absorbed and acetylated as a step in its elimination. Higher concentrations of this toxic metabolite therefore accumulate in SA individuals, resulting in the increased incidence and severity of adverse effects (Schroeder & Evans 1972).



          Examples of Increased Toxicity Caused by Environmental Exposure Associated With Specific Hepatic Isoenzyme Deficiency

          The health implications of these findings extend beyond these findings. The cytochrome P450 enzymes play an important role in the metabolism of many toxins, mutagens, and carcinogens (Caporaso et al. 1991; Guengerich 1988). Depending on the specific example, this metabolism can convert a protoxin, promutagen, or procarcinogen to their ultimate hazardous forms or may be responsible for clearing the hazardous form. In the former case, a deficiency in the enzyme could decrease the risk of exposure by decreasing the rate or extent of conversion to the hazardous form; in the latter case, the enzyme deficiency could increase the risk by decreasing the rate of clearance of the hazardous forms leading to prolonged exposure to higher concentrations. Not surprisingly, there is evidence that both of these scenarios occur with regard to specific environmental exposures and specific diseases. Drugs are analogous to other environmental agents (cg., xenobiotics, foreign chemicals) but are prescribed in pharmacological doses. A drug or its metabolites can be toxins depending on their pharmacological actions. By analogy, the finding that genetic deficiency in hepatic enzymes can increase the risk of drug toxicity on conventional doses raises the issue of whether such deficiency may also modify the risk of adverse consequences arising out of exposure to environmental toxins which are normally cleared by biotransformation via these enzymes.

          As with drug toxicity, toxicity due to exposure to an environmental toxin can be either acute or delayed. Genetic selection should mitigate against propagation of a deficiency that would result in high risk of acute toxicity early in life. Hence, delayed toxicity would seem to be the more likely finding. As discussed above, it is naturally more difficult to establish a cause and effect relationship when toxicity is delayed. Nonetheless, a growing body of evidence suggests that late-onset toxicity does result from chronically high accumulation of environmental toxins resulting from delayed clearance of these toxins due to a functional deficiency in a hepatic isoenzyme needed for its biotransformation and elimination.

          N-acetylation is an example of genetic polymorphism that has been identified as a risk factor in the development of a number of diseases. The risk of developing Gilbert's disease, diabetes mellitus, leprosy, and early-onset thyrotoxicosis differs substantially between rapid and slow acetylators (Evans 1989; Weber 1987).

          Genetically determined deficiency in the functional activity of P450 2D6 has been suggested to be a risk factor for the development of early-onset Parkinson's disease (Barbeau et al. 1985). This hypothesis is quite controversial with negative as well as positive studies. A full review is beyond the scope of this paper but suffice to say that the results of such studies have to be carefully examined. For example, even a reportedly negative study (Steiger et al. 1992) found a statistically significant higher incidence of 2D6 deficiency in patients with Parkinson's disease versus controls (p < 0.01) and a significant inverse correlation between 2D6 activity and age of onset of the disease even though the rate of 2D6 deficiency in the young-onset group just failed to reach statistical significance (p= 0.05).

          The potential link between genetically determined deficiency in 2D6 and Parkinson's disease has been spurred in part because MPTP, a dopamine neurotoxin capable of producing Parkinsonism, is metabolized by 2D6 (Fonne-Pfister et al. 1987). This substance can be an environmental contaminant particularly in areas with a high density of chemical manufacturing. Chronic long grade exposure can destroy central dopamine neurons. Impaired ability to detoxify this agent once consumed presumably could decrease the amount of exposure necessary to develop a clinically meaningful impairment of dopamine. This scenario is clearly speculative. Nonetheless, this hypothesis provides an interesting model for the potential role for hepatic enzyme deficiency as a risk factor in the development of other diseases.

          There have been several observations indicating that hepatic enzyme genotype is a risk factor in the development of some forms of cancer. Slow acetylators have an increased incidence of transitional cell carcinoma of the urinary bladder, and carcinoma of the lung and breast. In contrast, individuals deficient in 2D6 are underrepresented in patients with certain types of carcinoma of the lung (Agundez et al. 1994; Hirvonen et al. 1992) and transitional cell carcinoma of the bladder (Kaisary et al. 1987). In the latter case, deficiency of 2D6 may protect against the risk of recurrence (Fleming et al. 1992). On the other hand, deficiency in 3A3/4 has been associated with a six-fold increase in the relative risk for an aggressive form of bladder cancer (personal communication, J. Porter).

          This area of research is in its infancy. The bulk of studies are epidemiological which have several limitations. They often are underpowered (i.e., the size of the population studied is too small leading to the possibility of false negative results). The disease population and the control population may not be appropriately matched. An example is the study by Agundez and colleagues (1994), which reported a decreased incidence of lung cancer in individuals deficient in 2D6. The control population was 20 years younger than the disease population. Hence, they may not have lived long enough to develop a disease requiring a longer incubation period.

          At best, epidemiological studies indicate whether an association is likely but not whether there is a cause and effect relationship. Even a strong association may simply reflect a linkage phenomenon (e g., the close association of the gene for the hepatic isoenzyme with an oncogene). In the case where there is a cause and effect relationship, the enzyme activity probably modifies the relative risk but is not the primary determinant. The individual must be exposed to the causative agent. If no exposure occurs, then no disease results. Conversely, sufficiently high and prolonged exposure to the causative agent will most likely produce the disease regardless of the enzyme activity.

          The point is that there is sufficient evidence from such epidemiological studies to suspect an association between the functional activity of hepatic isoenzymes and the development of specific diseases. This work has implications for clinical psychopharmacology. If the altered incidence of these diseases is due to the alteration in formation or clearance of an environmental toxin, then a chronically administered drug which produces a phenocopy of the enzyme deficiency might be expected to produce a similarly altered incidence rate. This issue is pertinent to the use of psychiatric medications such as antidepressants given the recent emphasis on the need for long-term treatment for a substantial percentage of patients with recurrent major depression (Table 6).



          Conclusion

          There is a growing understanding of the effect of drugs on hepatic isoenzyme function. The selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRI's) have made this issue important to psychiatry. A major difference among this class is their differential effects on hepatic isoenzymes. These effects account for differences among these drugs in terms of their pharmacokinetics: their half-lives and whether they demonstrate linear vs. nonlinear pharmacokinetics over their clinically relevant dosing range. These differences are also important with regard to the potential for causing pharmacokinetic interactions with specific concomitantly prescribed drugs. Given the frequent recommendation for long-term antidepressant therapy, an area that requires further study is the potential long-term health consequences of substantially altering hepatic isoenzyme function.



          TABLE 6. - Factors Which Increase the Potential Risk of Long-term Adverse Consequences of Hepatic Isoenzyme Inhibition

          Substantial or complete inhibition of one or more hepatic isoenzymes.
          Chronic administration.
          Widespread use.

      • The drug itself clears from the system very rapidly. That is why withdrawal symptoms can develop with just one late dose (in my case, two hours delay was enough to start me off).

        The whole point of these SSRI and SNRI drugs is that they are less toxic than the tricyclic antidepressants they replaced i.e. amytriptylene, nortriptyline... Psychiatrists were looking for drugs that suicidal patients would have a difficult time killing themselves with because so many of their patients were completing suicides on the toxic drugs available 20 years ago. That was what started off the SSRI research in the first place. They wanted an amphetamine-like stimulant to motivate those lazy 'depressed' people who sit around moping about how unfair life has been to get off their duffs and back to work without the high potential to stop someone's heart that cocaine and tricyclic drugs have.

        No, what is actually going on is much more insidious than poisoning.

        Serotonin neurons (nerve cells that communicate by secreting serotonin into the transmitting end of a serotonin synapse) are the most plentiful neurons in the body, and like all neurons of every type, many of them have more than one type of receiving synapse i.e. a different type of synapse at the receiving end that uses a different type of neurotransmitter than serotonin.

        Sometimes there is a direct electrical connection with an adjacent neuron of any type if the fibers cross each other within close proximity, sort of like cross talk between wires. Such direct electrical connections to adjacent neurons are relatively rare, however.

        Each neuron typically has thousands of synapses distributed at both receiving and transmitting ends and connects to thousands of other neurons. The number of synapses and the length of the nerve fibers as well as the shape of the neuron all vary widely depending on the neuron's location and function.

        Anyway, serotonin neurons are the most plentiful type and the point is that the entire neural network of the whole body has serotonin synapses scattered throughout. Most of the serotonin synapses are in the digestive tract. This partially explains why so many drugs cause digestive disturbances. Probably, serotonin was the first neurotransmitter to evolve, which might explain why it is present so widely, and the fact that it is concentrated in the digestive tract would make sense since the first job that any living organism has to evolve is the capacity to eat.

        Neurons can be either stimulated or inhibited by the input they receive from other neurons. When a psychotropic drug saturates serotonin synapses with serotonin, the receiving neurons will fight back with homeostasis. That is, they will tend to normalize their behavior back toward baseline. However, neurons also have memory. If they spend a lot of time stimulated or inhibited, they can learn that state and become sensitized. Neurons can also physically reconfigure themselves. They can grow new interconnections if stimulated or severed, and they can spontaneously (re)generate from stem cells under certain conditions too.

        These changes are referred to a 'neuroplasticity', 'synaptic plasticity, and 'neurogenesis''. You can read about them here:

        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syna...c_strength
        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syna...ansmission
        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syna...plasticity
        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroplasticity
        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neur...d_learning
        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuron

        Serotonin neurons re-uptake their serotonin after secreting it. Other types of neurons do the same, but some types have their neurotransmitter deactivated and metabolized in other ways too, for example being de-activated in the synapse by an enzyme and reprocessed elsewhere.

        When an 'antidepressant medication' (don't you just love that misnomer?) comes along and floods serotonin synapses, especially if it is the reuptake inhibitor type, for that matter when the reuptake or metabolic deactivation of ANY neurotransmitter is inhibited, the synaptic function becomes pathological. The synapse will not shut up. Neuroplastic changes begin immediately, First the synaptic plasticity function tries to figure out if the stimulus is productive or not and then the individual receiving neuron either sensitizes or desensitizes itself. Then when that fails to shut off the pathological stimulus, the neuroplasticity takes over, and the entire neural network tries to figure out if all this activity is productive or not, upon which it will either proliferate new connections and strengthen the pathways further or it will sever its connections to neurons that it has identified as pathological. Sometimes entire neurons will be killed to shut them up.

        If seizure activity ensues, it can use up so much oxygen and glucose firing those seized neurons repeatedly, and generate so much metabolic waste in the process, or even dilate or constrict blood vessels so severely via the neuronally regulated vasodilator response, that neurons starve or are poisoned, and die. This is in fact one of the mechanisms of action in electroconvulsive 'therapy' -- the pruning of neurons by seizing them to death, killing off some of those depressing memories in the process (no brain, no pain). I know of one lady who had a prescription-induced seizure that permanently disabled her. She refers to it as the time she died, since she had no vital signs when the ambulance arrived.

        er, getting back to the point... These plastic changes do not take place under the direction of an intelligent surgeon or master planner. They take place under the direction of biochemical laws of physics in a unique individual, running a unique genetic program, in a unique chemical/nutritional/social/physiological environment, under the influence of tacos, piano lessons, weekend warrior touch football, and the typical 80 hour work week with cold pizza and warm soda sitting atop the computer monitor while the laundry sits in a pile behind the door and baby needs a diaper change and is screaming her fool head off.

        The goal of these drug-induced plastic changes that the brain uses to adapt is not to cure 'depression'. The nervous system has only one goal -- to adapt itself to functioning as normally as possible (with respect to its pre-drugged 'depressed' baseline) under the aforementioned non-ideal environmental conditions when its entire function has been thrown off base by the presence of a powerful drug, and the ensuing saturation of the serotonin synapses along with whatever other changes the drug may be inducing.

        Just because it says on the box that it only affects serotonin and/or norepinephrine does not mean that it has no other direct effects on the nervous system. It is those other effects, in the direct metabolism of the drug itself along with the metabolism of its breakdown byproducts, that causes the differing response ('side effects') to different drugs of the same class in one individual, as well as the differing response to the same drug in different people. Otherwise, if the drug only did what its advertised 'selective' mechanism of action states in the package insert, all drugs in a given class would have essentially identical effects on everyone.

        It will certainly have many indirect effects from its direct action of stimulating serotonin too because all the other types of neurons in the body, regardless of type, will experience plastic changes too in the drive towards homeostasis. Remember, serotonin nerves directly stimulate other types of nerves, and the plastic changes occur at the receiving end as well as at the transmitting end.

        Changes may occur several neurons downstream as well. The entire nervous system is one big ball of spaghetti, a neural network that stores information in a semi-holographic distributed fashion where bits and pieces of information and function are spread over wide areas, intermixed with other bits and pieces in an interacting pattern of neural firing. Crick, of Watson and Crick fame, wrote an excellent book that, among other things, explains the function of the brain in terms of the computer models that have been developed to model it as an adaptive neural network in artificial intelligence research.

        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_...Hypothesis

        He explains how relatively simple computer algorithms can learn to 'read' out loud using far fewer memory elements than are required to store each bit of information, because all of the memory elements interact with each other through the adaptive interconnecting network. He demonstrates how pruning a memory element may have little to no effect on function, but how continually trimming the network eventually results in errors that follow unpredictable patterns.

        There is no nerve cell uniquely associated with the memory of what you ate for breakfast or the position of middle C on a musical staff. It is all spread out in plastic changes and intermingled with other learned information. Even reflexes that are controlled in the spinal cord, or in the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous system (independent of the cord), can have plastic changes. Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy is a painful plastic change in the sympathetic nervous system that interferes with blood flow. These types of changes come about as a direct result of the synaptic firing and transmission of impulses throughout the network causing plastic changes. Any drug that modulates the rate of firing of a substantial number of widely distributed synapses will modulate the plastic changes throughout that network.

        The 'antidepressant' turns on neurons all over the place and superimposes a pathological pattern of synaptic firing on the entire network, wiping out pieces of information, smearing memories and sensory perception and motor function with randomized noise, adding connections here and there that have no basis in learning or function except as they relate to learning and functioning while under the influence of the drug.

        It is this sort of plastic stimulation that is responsible for the association of certain types of situational memories and moods with recreational drugs and the resultant chronic let-down and craving to get 'high' again. The long-term mood and memory response to THC and alcohol etc. is a learned response accumulated over time during recreational pastime as well as a direct effect of the drug itself, and the gradually adapted ability to function under the influence ('tolerance') is a refection of not liver efficiency but primarily plastic changes in the nervous system that are semi-permanent and only partially reversible. The same is true for an 'antidepressant'.

        It is anybody's guess what specific plastic changes will happen under the influence of a re-uptake inhibitor, and if you are reading this reply chances are that the process was not benign for you. What we can say for certain however is that all of the plastic changes that occur use up that portion of the residual plastic capacity of the nervous system that has already been plasticized by the drug and subsequent withdrawal, including not only the capacity to enhance or diminish synaptic function or to add and delete connections, but also including the ability to kill off and regenerate entire neurons from stem cells. The allocation of a substantial amount of plastic neural capacity to the influence of a psychotropic drug is not something to undertake lightly, especially when contemplating the possibility that chronic effects might be disastrous in old age, when cumulative damage of a lifetime begins to manifest as gross cognitive defects and plastic capacity normally falls off naturally.

        If neurotransmitter receptor sites are pruned, if neural interconnections are pruned, if entire neurons are pruned, then the capacity to plastically prune more later has been permanently reduced by the amount of pruning that has already occurred. If new neurons have spontaneously been generated from stem cells and new interconnections have been formed, then the quantity of stem cells available to create more new neurons later and the capacity to create new interconnections later have both been permanently reduced by the amount of generation and connection that have already occurred. If neurotransmitter secretion, reception, re-uptake or deactivation pathways have been pruned or proliferated, the capacity to make those same changes again later has been permanently reduced by the changes that already occurred. Innate potential for these changes is finite and is never replenished. Condition may deteriorate and then improve, but innate potential is a one-way process of entropy. Adding a drug to the mix may bring on profound changes that could otherwise be impossible, but a drug will never replenish the innate capacity for plastic change. All the drug can do is to use up some of that potential.

        There is an analog to these changes in materials science called strain hardening.

        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strain_hardening

        Strain hardening is the effect of bending a material past its elastic point. If you ever bent a piece of metal back and forth repeatedly to break it, you know what strain hardening is. The metal starts out soft, elastic, and pliable, but you bend it past the elastic point until it permanently deforms in a plastic fashion. Then you bend it back again, only it is harder to bend it straight than it was to bend it crooked, because it has accumulated defects (dislocations) in its molecular structure and become brittle. You keep bending it back and forth, back and forth, and it gets harder and harder and more and more brittle, until suddenly it starts to crack and snaps in two. That is your brain when you cycle on and off hard drugs repeatedly. It becomes rigid and inflexible.

        When a hard drug like an SSRI or SNRI is originally introduced, it causes permanent plastic changes to the nervous system and part of the residual plastic capacity is permanently depleted or used up. Once the drug is cleared and 'withdrawal' is complete, the plastic changes that occur while recovering from 'withdrawal' also permanently use up part of the residual capacity to recover from the drug.

        Your 'withdrawal' symptoms that became permanent will not go away upon resuming the same drug. Part of those symptoms are the result of plastic changes on withdrawal, and the capacity to reverse those withdrawal changes with the same drug is now limited.

        This is why psychiatrists rarely prescribe the same antidepressant for a person twice and why they want schizophrenics to keep taking their medication regularly. Psychiatrists know that once withdrawal is complete, the drug will not 'work' on that person any longer. It is all a cynical game of brain damage that they are playing.

        Once a patient has rejected a drug they suspect that the plasticity has progressed to the point where the symptoms of brain damage have become intolerable to the patient and/or the drug no longer works as well as it did due to those plastic changes and the process of adaptation that has resulted in tolerance. Psychiatrists know that, where powerful psychotropic drugs are concerned, these changes are largely permanent. They know that this drug will no longer be effective on its own even if it is reintroduced, and they try adding or substituting another drug to overcome the plastic changes that resulted in tolerance.

        Doctors are well aware of this phenomenon, but they hide this information because they know that once it gets out, patients will reject the entire philosophy of psychiatry as both foolish and dishonest, which it basically is in the form it is practiced today.

        Most mental illnesses probably result from environmental stresses, either behavioral or biochemical, that introduced plastic changes in the brain. Repeated disappointments and abuse or drug abuse may result in depression. Severe trauma causes PTSD, especially if fear, horror, helplessness, and bodily injury are major components of the trauma. Schizophrenia may result from very early traumas in the womb or in infancy that predispose the auditory cortex and the adrenal response to hyperactivity and are activated later in life by additional trauma or hormones. Autism may be due to traumas that kill off entire administrative brain functions, in some cases unleashing incredible capacity for memory, especially visual memory and processing, or mathematical calculation, by disconnecting the reasoning process of selective attention and memory that allows us to focus on survival issues.

        In any case, people with these various forms of mental disorder are almost certainly already suffering from pathological plastic changes in the neural network due to stressors, not neurotransmitter defects, and manipulating such people's behavior by drugging them with powerful psychotropics that induce additional, widespread, randomized pathological plastic changes is likely to make the person even more brittle and further reduce capacity to adapt in the future, not enhance it. The philosophically correct approach to these problems is to minimize additional stressors that might worsen the problem and incorporate new stimulus that tends to specifically reverse the deleterious plastic changes without creating widespread plastic changes in areas that are unrelated to the original problem. Blasting people with drugs may make the problem vanish from sight but it is not doing justice to anyone and it is not living up to our potential as a society.

        Anyway, the entire digestive tract can become completely scrambled by these plastic changes -- including the liver and gut. Additionally, SSRI/SNRI drugs are known to cause spontaneous generation of new neurons in the temporal lobes (left and right sides of the brain) as well as synaptic pruning or even neuronal death.

        Some individuals have died from a single starter dose of 'antidepressant'. Since these events are rare and occur almost exclusively outside of the research laboratory, it is typically impossible to conclusively identify the mechanism or cause of death, so the pharmaceutical companies get away with it in these cases. Other individuals may exhibit toxic symptoms over a more protracted time frame, but who is to say whether it is neurotoxic neuroplasticity or direct hepatic toxicity that is at fault? These events are rare and the FDA is bought and paid for by the companies it 'regulates'. We may never know what ails your friend but chances are it is primarily neural damage, not liver damage, especially if liver tests come back normal.

        Sorry for being so long-winded.
        • For me it is liver damage I am told liver cysts and fatty liver are rather normal maybe so but it hurts like hell. I have been in so much pain and most thing that would help that are metabolised by you guessed it he liver so it a no go. I am done putting drugs in my body anyway. I have read articles about effexor damaging the liver.
          • These drugs can cause damage in many ways especially effexor

            This is from Wyeth's very long warning PDF

            Events are further categorized by body system and listed in order of decreasing frequency using
            the following definitions: frequent adverse events are defined as those occurring on one or more
            occasions in at least 1/100 patients; infrequent adverse events are those occurring in
            1/100 to 1/1000 patients; rare events are those occurring in fewer than 1/1000 patients.
            Body as a whole - Frequent: chest pain substernal, chills, fever, neck pain; Infrequent: face
            edema, intentional injury, malaise, moniliasis, neck rigidity, pelvic pain, photosensitivity
            reaction, suicide attempt, withdrawal syndrome; Rare: appendicitis, bacteremia, carcinoma,
            cellulitis.

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            Cardiovascular system - Frequent: migraine, postural hypotension, tachycardia;
            Infrequent: angina pectoris, arrhythmia, bradycardia, extrasystoles, hypotension, peripheral
            vascular disorder (mainly cold feet and/or cold hands), syncope, thrombophlebitis; Rare: aortic
            aneurysm, arteritis, first-degree atrioventricular block, bigeminy, bundle branch block, capillary
            fragility, cerebral ischemia, coronary artery disease, congestive heart failure, heart arrest,
            hematoma, cardiovascular disorder (mitral valve and circulatory disturbance), mucocutaneous
            hemorrhage, myocardial infarct, pallor, sinus arrhythmia.
            Digestive system - Frequent: increased appetite; Infrequent: bruxism, colitis, dysphagia,
            tongue edema, esophagitis, gastritis, gastroenteritis, gastrointestinal ulcer, gingivitis, glossitis,
            rectal hemorrhage, hemorrhoids, melena, oral moniliasis, stomatitis, mouth ulceration; Rare:
            abdominal distension, biliary pain, cheilitis, cholecystitis, cholelithiasis, esophageal spasms,
            duodenitis, hematemesis, gastroesophageal reflux disease, gastrointestinal hemorrhage, gum
            hemorrhage, hepatitis, ileitis, jaundice, intestinal obstruction, liver tenderness, parotitis,
            periodontitis, proctitis, rectal disorder, salivary gland enlargement, increased salivation, soft
            stools, tongue discoloration.
            Endocrine system - Rare: galactorrhoea, goiter, hyperthyroidism, hypothyroidism, thyroid
            nodule, thyroiditis.
            Hemic and lymphatic system - Frequent: ecchymosis; Infrequent: anemia, leukocytosis,
            leukopenia, lymphadenopathy, thrombocythemia; Rare: basophilia, bleeding time increased,
            cyanosis, eosinophilia, lymphocytosis, multiple myeloma, purpura, thrombocytopenia.
            Metabolic and nutritional - Frequent: edema, weight gain; Infrequent: alkaline phosphatase
            increased, dehydration, hypercholesteremia, hyperglycemia, hyperlipemia, hypoglycemia,
            hypokalemia, SGOT (AST) increased, SGPT (ALT) increased, thirst; Rare: alcohol intolerance,
            bilirubinemia, BUN increased, creatinine increased, diabetes mellitus, glycosuria, gout, healing
            abnormal, hemochromatosis, hypercalcinuria, hyperkalemia, hyperphosphatemia, hyperuricemia,
            hypocholesteremia, hyponatremia, hypophosphatemia, hypoproteinemia, uremia.
            Musculoskeletal system - Frequent: arthralgia; Infrequent: arthritis, arthrosis, bone spurs,
            bursitis, leg cramps, myasthenia, tenosynovitis; Rare: bone pain, pathological fracture, muscle
            cramp, muscle spasms, musculoskeletal stiffness, myopathy, osteoporosis, osteosclerosis, plantar
            fasciitis, rheumatoid arthritis, tendon rupture.
            Nervous system - Frequent: amnesia, confusion, depersonalization, hypesthesia, thinking
            abnormal, trismus, vertigo; Infrequent: akathisia, apathy, ataxia, circumoral paresthesia, CNS
            stimulation, emotional lability, euphoria, hallucinations, hostility, hyperesthesia, hyperkinesia,
            hypotonia, incoordination, manic reaction, myoclonus, neuralgia, neuropathy, psychosis, seizure,
            abnormal speech, stupor, suicidal ideation; Rare: abnormal/changed behavior, adjustment
            disorder, akinesia, alcohol abuse, aphasia, bradykinesia, buccoglossal syndrome, cerebrovascular
            accident, feeling drunk, loss of consciousness, delusions, dementia, dystonia, energy increased,
            facial paralysis, abnormal gait, Guillain-Barre Syndrome, homicidal ideation, hyperchlorhydria,
            hypokinesia, hysteria, impulse control difficulties, libido increased, motion sickness, neuritis,
            nystagmus, paranoid reaction, paresis, psychotic depression, reflexes decreased, reflexes
            increased, torticollis.

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            Respiratory system - Frequent: cough increased, dyspnea; Infrequent: asthma, chest
            congestion, epistaxis, hyperventilation, laryngismus, laryngitis, pneumonia, voice alteration;
            Rare: atelectasis, hemoptysis, hypoventilation, hypoxia, larynx edema, pleurisy, pulmonary
            embolus, sleep apnea.
            Skin and appendages - Frequent: pruritus; Infrequent: acne, alopecia, contact dermatitis, dry
            skin, eczema, maculopapular rash, psoriasis, urticaria; Rare: brittle nails, erythema nodosum,
            exfoliative dermatitis, lichenoid dermatitis, hair discoloration, skin discoloration, furunculosis,
            hirsutism, leukoderma, miliaria, petechial rash, pruritic rash, pustular rash, vesiculobullous rash,
            seborrhea, skin atrophy, skin hypertrophy, skin striae, sweating decreased.
            Special senses - Frequent: abnormality of accommodation, mydriasis, taste perversion;
            Infrequent: conjunctivitis, diplopia, dry eyes, eye pain, hyperacusis, otitis media, parosmia,
            photophobia, taste loss, visual field defect; Rare: blepharitis, cataract, chromatopsia,
            conjunctival edema, corneal lesion, deafness, exophthalmos, eye hemorrhage, glaucoma, retinal
            hemorrhage, subconjunctival hemorrhage, keratitis, labyrinthitis, miosis, papilledema, decreased
            pupillary reflex, otitis externa, scleritis, uveitis.
            Urogenital system - Frequent: prostatic disorder (prostatitis, enlarged prostate, and prostate
            irritability),* urination impaired; Infrequent: albuminuria, amenorrhea,* cystitis, dysuria,
            hematuria, kidney calculus, kidney pain, leukorrhea,* menorrhagia,* metrorrhagia,* nocturia,
            breast pain, polyuria, pyuria, urinary incontinence, urinary retention, urinary urgency, vaginal
            hemorrhage,* vaginitis*; Rare: abortion,* anuria, breast discharge, breast engorgement,
            balanitis,* breast enlargement, endometriosis,* female lactation,* fibrocystic breast, calcium
            crystalluria, cervicitis,* orchitis,* ovarian cyst,* bladder pain, prolonged erection,*
            gynecomastia (male),* hypomenorrhea,* kidney function abnormal, mastitis, menopause,*
            pyelonephritis, oliguria, salpingitis,* urolithiasis, uterine hemorrhage,* uterine spasm,* vaginal
            dryness.*
            *Based on the number of men and women as appropriate.
            • Leslee,

              The package insert lists the symptoms, not the causative mechanism. All of the symptoms that I read in the portion that you posted, including cancer, can be caused by neurological anomalies that affect metabolic processes directly. I spent the past 2 days reading up on the nervous system and discovered so many ways that neural defects can cause physical damage that I cannot even remember them all.

              It is not necessarily Effexor chemical itself that directly damages any tissue, nor is it necessarily dead muscle tissue metabolites either. It can be indirect effect of nervous malfunction causing biochemical abnormalities within any bodily system. Since it causes abnormalities in virtually every bodily system, it is highly likely that chronic use will result in permanent damage, whether the patient develops unmistakable symptoms during treatment/withdrawal and realizes that damage has occured or not.

              Actually it is kind of scary how widespread and insidious the effects can be, and how misguided doctors are when they prescribe SSRI or SNRI drugs thinking that simply because the drug itself is low toxicity, that must mean it does not *cause* toxicity. Just the opposite is true, and in my case the true extent of the damage was not apparent until after withdrawal, making it even more insidious and scary. There was no warning whatsoever that I was accumulating a permanent movement disorder until I stopped taking the drug.

              What is most scary and frustrating to me is how every doctor I have been to since Effexor has attributed my movement disorder to 'psychiatric' causes, without ever bothering to justify that speculation and despite my strenuous objections and providing both research and my own daily journal proving that it is drug-induced. This is concrete evidence of institutionalized bigotry. It just goes to show that doctors receive no training whatsoever in practicing truth. All they want is money.

              Cheryl
              • I hear you loud and clear and feel the same way. I also get how worried you are about the future as I am too. The ramifications are mind boggling. I don't get anywhere with doctors and have decided to stay away from them if I can not huge problem as they are as scarce as hens teeth and as difficult to find. I am sticking with two specialist for now no family doc as usual I think I am on some kind of black balled list as none will take me on..
                Are you worried about being addicted to pain pills? I know it may be needed but addiction is always in the back of my mind.
                • I have never had any drug dependency issues. Not sure why, but even when undergoing morphine withdrawal I never once felt a craving, just sick as a dog and in unbearable pain. I stopped taking it because I developed a tolerance and it was making me ill with nausea and severe constipation and somnolence, but my spasticity was out of control too, almost as if the morphine were aggravating it.

                  I did taper somewhat, but I had nothing nearly as severe as Effexor withdrawal. I just tapered off morphine in 4 days and lived with the gradually fading pain and diarrhea and sneezing for two weeks. Getting off Effexor was pure torture in comparison.

                  Perhaps my reward system is out of whack. Maybe it just does not work. Not even narcotics can stimulate pleasure. There is no joy, period, and rarely was even way back when, but especially after Effexor the flattening was awful.

                  My Effexor symptoms are the least of my problems now. After being abandoned by my surgeon and functionally disabled from the resulting damage, my main worries are getting my insurance to cooperate. This despite a lifetime of severe back pain and a failed surgery that left me mutilated and in horrible pelvic pain while my surgeon went on vacation in Mexico.

                  Doctors... cannot trust a single one of them. They all cheat, steal and lie, and they have the power to create a special set of legal exemptions that lets them make up their own standard of care on a case-by-case basis, making it nearly impossible to recover damages, instead of having a state-sponsored regulatory body with scientific standards such as 'one should never conceal an imminent vacation from a patient who is about to undergo surgery' or 'if a patient experiences severe pain and hemorrhaging while in the hospital, any staff member in the vicinity should immediately summon a doctor rather than just calling the one who already abandoned the patient and giving lip service while wheeling the patient out the door as fast as possible'.

                  Then there are the lawyers... leeches in business suits who will not take a case unless they are likely to win a new Rolls from it. No such thing as pro-bono medical malpractice. It is either have a rock-solid case or do it yourself, at your own expense. Ludicrous. Abandoning a patient should be a criminal offense. My surgeon should be cooling his heels in jail and getting raped by his cellmate to serve as a deterrent to every other b$$$$$d with a license who might be tempted to take advantage of his patients.

                  Insurance... we let you pay so we won't have to...

                  Bah, should not get started on this, too depressing. No, no problems with addiction. It seems to be an individual thing. Some are susceptible and others are not. In my case I get sick from whatever drug I am taking long before I get high off it. I just cannot take enough of anything to develop a chemical dependency and even if I could I doubt I would get addicted anyway. Just has no appeal to me.

                  I have two friends who are alcoholic and even though I see their behavior I just cannot relate to them emotionally. Many moons ago I started drinking after work for a brief period to relieve stress and eventually lost interest in it when I started walking into walls. I got divorced instead. My mother smoked herself to death and I never understood it. I have never felt those cravings, even though I tried smoking on and off for a couple of years. There was no craving and eventually I just gave it up as senseless self-destruction. When morphine stopped working for the pain I just stopped taking it. No big deal. Cannot understand what drives people to addiction.

                  If you have Medicare, or no insurance, that may explain why you cannot get new doctors to take you as a patient. They figure they are losing money on you. Doctors want that Rolls too. My former GP even has a poster in his waiting room urging patients to fight Medicare reform legislation that reduces contracted payment rates and nearly every physician I am currently seeing acknowledges that if I first came in with Medicare they would not have taken me as a patient. The only reason they will keep me on post-Medicare is because they need a medical reason to abandon a patient, such as 'not my specialty', or risk a lawsuit. Most doctors just will not take any patient who has no insurance at all, even if paid in advance. They know that they can get stuck in a situation where they cannot get any money from the patient and cannot get their 'defensive medicine' testing done, but are still liable for malpractice or abandonment. I have tested this by lying to doctors/nurses/receptionists on first contact, telling them I have no insurance, and finding out that they refuse to take me as a patient. They expect people without insurance to go to the public hospital ER when they are sick, which has to take them regardless of ability to pay.

                  Of course if you live in a small town it is also possible that you have been black-listed by the physicians who practice there. I am told of one county in which the surgeons there routinely diagnose nonexistent medical problems so that they can operate on healthy people just for fun and profit. Apparently the nurses all know about it and they just keep quiet to avoid reprisals. The only way to avoid that scenario is to know where it is going on and just never, ever see a doctor in that county. I am sure that if a patient there gets wise to the game and starts making inconvenient observations, such hypothetical person could find it difficult to get an appointment. If it happens in one place it can happen in your town too... who knows?

                  Another possibility is that you have gained a reputation as a patient who will not just lie down and be raped, or as a patient who does her homework and will not take any crap from your doctors. That is my problem now. Maybe you have gotten similar reputation.

                  What specialists do you see? I have an internist and a pain management doctor. I have seen neurologists and gastroenterologists with no luck. I am avoiding the orthopedic surgeons. Not interested in getting cut again right now.
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                    I think I am on the list of shit disturbing mental case not bad company as company goes. In a way I feel we are all living in that town you mentioned except we are dealing with doctors dealing in dangerous drugs and nobody will admit it. The drug dealer owns the block who's going to rat him out when most are a part of it in one way or another and they have no place else to live.
                    I see a rehab doc who specialty is brain injuries and a shrink. I do not take any meds and live in canada universal health care you are thinking but really many companies are here from the states infecting the system with for profit care which is undermining the effectiveness of the system imho.
                    I am glad you are not addicted to any pain pills as that is a nasty road to travel. I don't understand you medical system completely are you happy with the care you are receiving now?
                    My problem is I will never trust another doctor as long as I live and if they say I am fine now I don't believe them anyway so why go. They cannot reassure me as they have not had any answers for me while I was so sick and losing everything I owned so now that I have nothing and it is too late why would I believe them. I am sure they will get me in the end on the way to the morgue someday something will give but really I have no use for them. None of them knew tolerance to effexor symptoms when I had them or withdrawal when I had that. For me that should be a rather simple thing my greatest nightmare is to be at their mercy as I already was whent they failed so horribly. For all my visits I got a label of conversion disorder...yes and if I would see just one doctor he could get to the bottom of it all there were no doctors in the town I live in. I had been on a waiting list 5 years not one call. I have seen gyno and gastro spec. too while on effexor. Was told by one doc that I may have liver cance but the spec who was to do the biopsy refused saying in his opinion it wasn't neede. That was almost 2 years ago still have the pain. I am still in withdrawal and hoping. I know you are seeking answers and I am too but I do not think we will find a lot as big pharma has info in lock down imho. changes will come slow way after we are dead is what I guess. I have little grace for a nonproductive life but it looks like that is my lot. I hate it. That in itself is terminal for some of us.

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