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Sun in the 8th house

topic posted Sun, September 2, 2007 - 6:12 PM by  Blue
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How does this placement affect a person with Sun in the 8th house?
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    Mon, September 3, 2007 - 7:16 PM
    what placement?
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      Mon, September 3, 2007 - 7:26 PM
      well what I really mean is........ for other people who have this placement in their natal chart
      Sun in the 8th house.......how do you handle this placement in their natal chart


      Sun in House 8

      The Sun in the 8th House indicates that consciousness is opening up to compassion, and the agents in the process are emotional suffering and refinement of desire. This may be a relatively advanced stage of development because people with the Sun in the 8th House do have the feel of ‘old souls’. There is a gravity and maturity conferred by this placement, which is evident even in very young children.

      The suffering experienced by 8th House people, is always at the hands of people with whom they have a close personal relationship, and although there may be physical cruelty also, it is at the emotional level that the pain is registered. The pain is nearly always that of rejection and the knowledge that the intensity of their feelings is neither understood nor valued.

      People with this placement of the Sun tend to experience the transforming energy of Pluto, the ruling planet of this house, as a force used by others against them. They do not readily use it themselves even in retaliation. People born with the Sun in the 8th House are usually born to parents unable to or unwilling to recognise the child's needs. Usually they have problems of their own and expect the child to be supportive and understanding.

      As the result of the early experience of having the emotional needs ignored the 8th House person grows up expecting little of the partners around whom he is prepared to build his life. In consequence his relationships are characterised by inequality. Whether it is emotional support, money or forgiveness - more than one 8th House person has discovered that he has married a person engaged in criminal activities - it is the person with the Sun in H8 doing the giving. The lack of reciprocity tends to be accepted without recrimination, and he will not easily give up on a relationship. People with the Sun in H8 demonstrate a great acceptance of things as they are and this becomes the source of the peace of mind they are capable of attaining in their later years. This acceptance may also account for their characteristic willingness to work with people whom society has condemned or rejected. A person with the Sun in the 8th House does not readily judge; he is more likely to respond to the humanness of the offender.

      Eighth House people are found in the prison service, and as social workers, nurses and counselors. In helping others they are often able to make sense of and redeem their suffering.

      This placement of the Sun tends to confer an interest in the astral plane and in channeling in particular
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        Mon, September 3, 2007 - 7:35 PM
        For me, I have Sun in the 8th house and well there is a sense of seriousness with me
        my thoughts are always geared towards......life, death , sex and money...........people say they see me as serious and intense.......also very mysterious.............but I also tend to feel a deep sense of loneliness in life...I could be in a crowd yet feel so alone ...I could be at a family gathering and yet feel so alone......I have had this feeling all my life ........ever since I was a little kid............people also tell me to loosen up and have fun! but with me I'm never able to let go..........I'm a happy person but these thoughts always occupy my mind.


        I was just wondering if anyone else with Sun in the 8th house ...........has ever felt like this?
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          Wed, September 5, 2007 - 5:02 PM
          hi blue
          I see your sun is on the leo virgo cusp, which means transiting saturn( which has just gone into virgo) is on it right now. The feelings you describe are likely to be intensified !...feelings of loneliness are traditionally associated more with saturn anyway . do you also have it in the 8th natally?
          hope this sheds a little light
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            Wed, September 5, 2007 - 6:20 PM
            well yes...........these last couple of days...........I have been feeling a more intense loneliness............i was actually thinkling of this today..........wondering why i felt the way i did

            yes i do have sun in the 8th house natally
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              Wed, September 26, 2007 - 10:07 PM
              Having my sun in the eighth house has lead me to have a deep interest in occult studies. Ever since coming across astrology a couple of years ago I have probably not had a day where I did not study. I have become an energy healer and do have an interest in chanelling. I had a session a couple months ago that have transformed my life. I do feel like nothing matters more than what lies beneath the surface and what is unseen and unspoken about. I have a deep thirst for esoteric "secret" teachings. Do others feel like this?
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                Mon, October 1, 2007 - 7:44 PM
                The sun, mercury, venus, n node, and chiron were hanging out in in my eighth house at birth (with all but chiron in Aries). My sun opposes pluto in my second, and tightly aspects my Saturn in the 12th in Leo (and forms a barely-there aspect to my Leo moon in the 11th). Mars, Aries' ruler, is right on my descendant.

                Though raised with beliefs that strictly banned occult studies, I have always had a *very* strong interest in many different spiritual paths, with a focus on astrology. I have studied it for ten years... and still find that I am barely scratching the surface. I also have an unhealthy proccupation and fear of death, and that is probably why I am continually trying to uncover some kind of "truth."

                This eighth house conspiracy has also affected (and affects) my mundane life in countless ways, from my childhood to my career to my relationships.
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                  Thu, October 25, 2007 - 5:38 AM
                  Hi I'm Bernie, I'm new, I tend to physically take on peoples pain, I think this can be a trait. I'm also a developing medium tho this could be to do with the jumble in the 8th.

                  Bernie
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          Sun, December 9, 2007 - 1:48 PM
          I have felt similar things. I have the sun-mars-mercury-chiron in H8 in Gemini with Asc Scorpio.

          My thoughts are nearly entirely geared toward life/death/sex/occult but rarely money. I often feel the pang of lonlieness and being misunderstood as long as i can remember. Even in childhood i was always outside looking in. You're not alone in that ( no pun intended).

          I use my sun sign Gemini to play this off to make me appear less serious and intense on the surface, thus fooling most people.
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            Fri, February 8, 2008 - 4:13 PM
            "My thoughts are nearly entirely geared toward life/death/sex/occult but rarely money"
            I know what you mean Paul! I seem to have this blind spot for money and anything related. I couldn't care less.
            Whenever i read about the 8th house topics i'm confused about the money-part. It just doesn't make sense to me, and i sort of don't want it to.
            I'm actually affraid of the responsibility that comes with possessing a lot of money, and i fear (and loath) the power struggles that can come of it. And power struggle obviously is a 8th house subject- and something i'm constantly trying to deal with, so that kind of makes sense.


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              Fri, February 8, 2008 - 5:00 PM
              know what you mean Natesa.

              It seems so weird to me sometimes to watch people struggle with holding onto money and sorting out their money and saving their money and investing their money and working harder for more money.

              For god's sake, its only money! Surely there are more important things? right?
              Such a power struggle people allow themselves to be wrought through in the name of money. Bizarre, its the only 8th house bit I don't get.
              I jsut couldn't care less.
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                Mon, February 11, 2008 - 4:38 PM
                But maybe BECAUSE money's so tightly related to power, it's part of the 8th house make up...
                And hasn't it also got something to do with regeneration? I still can't grab it. My blind spot's in the way. lol
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            Re: Sun in the 8th house

            Sat, January 16, 2010 - 4:14 PM
            "Even in childhood i was always outside looking in."

            You hit the nail on the head. That's exactly it. You can be in a crowd of people and still be alone.

            Sun/Jupiter/Lilith in Cancer 8th. Moon/Mercury in Leo 8th. Scorpio Ris.......
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          Tue, January 15, 2008 - 7:38 AM
          By all means...Just like most 8th Sun-ers you will at some point come across the prevalent 8th themes which includes everything from regeneration (PHYSICAL,EMOTIONAL,SPIRITUAL), to joint resources (TANGIBLE,INTANGIBLE).

          Keywords for those treading this domain regardless of the sign are Attunement, Compulsive obsessions, Psychism, Manipulation, Power,Repression,Catharsis,Renewal...

          Please do consider your sun sign as well as it overshadows it all...

          8th energy is about diffusing the self with another ...Relationships of all kinds will undergo intense metamorphosis as one embraces another's personal aspects...

          The path is solitary and yet leads to aspired heights that in the end surpasses all that one has... Its about connections at the Soul level...

          Bon vovage.

          Ronegade
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            Re: Sun in the 8th house

            Fri, February 8, 2008 - 4:59 PM
            With the Sun in Aquarius in the 8th i've always had the tendency to think about and muse on the 8th house subjects- Observe and think, obsess and think- but to hide my emotions and play it cool with others. Fooling everybody, including myself (till i was in my mid-twenties).
            Until recently i didn't even know what all these houses meant, so now i'm doing some serious catching up and i'm starting to understand the power of this house (and Pluto and Scorpio). I realize i really need the transformational power of Pluto to get on with my life after a long period of illness and unemployment (and yes, loneliness). I also need to start consciously using the intensity i have in me, but which i tend to hide from others. I'm really starting to like this little planet of the underworld. ;o)
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          Sat, December 13, 2008 - 7:13 AM
          ALWAYS. I have sun, mercury, and venus in my 8th house. Pluto, juno, and P. fort in scorpio. This has to be the best decription of what i feel 24/7.
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          Tue, November 24, 2009 - 3:42 PM
          i cudnt have worded it better....thats exactly how i have felt all my life....gud to knw i'm nt the only one...:D...i got sun in cancer in the cusp of 8th.....
      • Re: Sun in the 8th house/ Domestic Violence

        Sat, August 14, 2010 - 12:18 PM
        "People with this placement of the Sun tend to experience the transforming energy of Pluto, the ruling planet of this house, as a force used by others against them. They do not readily use it themselves even in retaliation."This is not necessarily true. I had a former s/o with this placement who used physical violence against me and attempted to kill me with his bare hands. His attack was so vicious that the prosecutor for the state offered me the "witness protection" at the state's expense. I refused to show at the hearings so he only got probation from pleading guilty to simple battery.
        I had never been with an abuser before, so I was a little confused and shocked by his behavior towards me. He was ordered by the court to attend batterer 's intervention class and I attended victims of domestic violence meetings.
        He was Leo Sun, Cap rising and Taurus moon. His Mars conj my sun
        He was handsome, charming and deadly, explosive temper and addiction to porn. Needed lots of alone time to indulge his habit.
        Not prepared for living life with a real person. Very angry and vindictive, a real control freak who had a hard time managing his intense emotions
        www.youtube.com/watch
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        Wed, September 15, 2010 - 7:05 AM
        To stay sane, you have to just know that anything can change at anytime, and not necessarily for the better. I live with my Sun in H8 and i have mercury as well as a host of asteroids. I have had to reassess what is important to me and over the years have become more spiritual. I am an optimistic person (Venus conjunct Jupiter) and have used the harsh dealings of the Sun in H8 to realize what is truly important. I have very intense interactions with people , but leave them complete. I have no pride in telling someone i love them first. My fear comes not from losing face but of never having the opportunity to convey my feelings or making up for my naive ways. I feel this energy working well for me, inspite of all the harshness it has dished out.
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    Tue, May 13, 2008 - 5:57 AM
    This all sounds very familiar. Feeling isolated, or alone...In my experience, often I marvel at the carefree nature of people in expressing themselves and ask myself why I can't be like that. Then I remember all the work I have to do in transforming myself. A lot of people talk about security (money) when they talk about the 8 House, but for me this sense of security lies in the need to cut loose all character-traits that hinder me in expressing myself as I really am or want to be.

    Right now I have to think of the hole the scorpion, the hole of the snake or the Eagle's Nest: completely safe from anything. In the eigth house the sun (self) seems to be hidden, biding it's time, refining itself. The experience of being in the Eigth House can be very disconcerting, absorbing others or being absorbed by others mentally, emotionally, old strange images and feelings coming to the surface, which makes it paramount to understand what the Self is, how this all works, to gain control over it: for many people, as for me with this contellation this results in esoteric studies, such as astrology. Meditation can be a source of great peace and clarity, regenerating the mind, cleansing it of it's obsessive nature.

    Blue, what you say about suffering caused within personal relationships is true, it is as if people subconsciously want to stir the plutonianan energy just to find out who you really are. A couple of years I had a similar experience with someone I trusted completely and betrayed my utterly, which caused a period of intense loneliness and pain - I spend almost 6 months without seeing friends or family, but after a while, the feeling of desolation started to fade, as at several moments I had a profound experience of being at one with something greater than myself, culminating in a complete self-reliance.

    Still, there will always be some traces of paranoia and mistrust within this house, perhaps because we have such an acute sense of our own intentions and motivations, we know how - under the surface - unsure and relative everything is. Ronegade, thanks for the insight, your succint summary the essence of the 8 is inspirational.
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    Tue, May 13, 2008 - 1:48 PM
    It is said that the point of transition between Leo and Virgo is the "Point of the Sphinx." In the 8th House, it is about mysteries. You know, more than anyone, that there are things in life that can't be explained in words. You know the power of silence. Yet, when you speak or write, your words are full of meaning....on many levels.

    www.planetwaves.net/contents...hinx.html

    If you google "Leo AND Virgo AND Sphinx" you will find quite a lot of info about this ......
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      Sun, July 6, 2008 - 12:32 PM
      I can so recognize in everything said. First, about the old soul present in H8 people-my mother told me the other day that when she looked into my eyes when I was a baby, she looked into an adult's eyes. Second, the loneliness. I always feel lonely in social gatherings, and people think I am boring etc. Third, the suffering. My whole life as been suffering.
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        Fri, July 18, 2008 - 6:32 PM
        I have also had the same things in my life with Sun Conj Saturn in the 8th.
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          Mon, November 3, 2008 - 12:19 PM
          just curious... what happens or better what are the effects if your partners sun is in your eigth house???
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            Mon, November 3, 2008 - 5:41 PM
            From Cafe Astrology:

            Your Sun in your partner's 8th House: There is a deep fascination with your partner, and either you simply feel unsettled in his/her presence and part ways, or you feel inexplicably drawn to him/her. There is nothing superficial about this union, when it does occur, and you should be prepared for a deep and sometimes disturbing interaction. The attraction on your partner's side is most obvious. You affect your partner in very deep, even primal, ways. As a result, your partner is especially sensitive to your actions. He or she views the partnership as a profound and intimate connection. You may or may not feel the same way about him or her.

            Of course you need to reverse this in your situation, but there you go. Should be a case where this person transforms you in some way.
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              Mon, November 3, 2008 - 5:48 PM
              Reading that looked familiar to me so I checked. My sun is in my soul mate's 7th conj the 8th and in the other soul mate's 8th. No wonder it looked familiar. Their suns are in my 4th house so they feel like home to me and give me a sense of belonging.
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                Mon, November 3, 2008 - 7:47 PM
                me too! .. I just recently started dating someone and his sun is in my eigth my sun in his fourth and there is a magical and scary( because its so strong) feeling all at once ...
                It feels as if there is no hiding place ..everythng is open
                there is a strong sexual , romantic, mental attraction as well
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                  Mon, November 3, 2008 - 7:50 PM
                  oh yeah and spiritual . psychic kind of energy too .. he just knows or I do.. there is this awareness of moods , feelings , needs and what is happening.. with a glance of the eyes..
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                    Tue, November 4, 2008 - 3:56 PM
                    Yes, all that and more. It's just knowing exactly how to move with another person and how to be with them without any thinking or drama. And it's extremely intense and obsessive (at least on their end which it is strange because it's supposed to be the opposite). If you have Pluto effects this is going to be even more reinforced. Also your moons. The soul mate I've been with for 28 years has a Taurus moon conj mine with a 0 degree orb. It's one straight line. So anything like that is going to magnify the whole thing.

                    Anything creative you two take on, money matters and sex should all be an almost transcending, transformative experience. Or as my soul mate always says, let's merge atoms. LOL

                    P.S. Don't talk to a shrink about this. They'll say you have boundary issues. LOL
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                      Sun, December 7, 2008 - 11:54 AM
                      Taurus with sun in 8th and moon in cancer, From what i've conclude from my own life is that we are very special ppl and it may seem like no one understands us at all, but what ive found too be true is the fact that i have to undersatnd myself and my emotions in order to interpret myself to others, atfer all no one truelly knows who u are inside and out, only you have that Power. It's our soul duty to interpret ourself upon others, My fellow 8th housers, meditation and soul searching are the keys to unlock our deepest and purest selves.

                      Love and Light,
                      Aaron
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                        Sun, December 7, 2008 - 8:50 PM
                        <<there will always be some traces of paranoia and mistrust within this house,>>
                        Is this true?..I can relate to this and at time even when I say I trust a person ..I feel as if I really cant and question motives and the realness of it all...
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                          Mon, December 8, 2008 - 5:28 PM
                          >>As the result of the early experience of having the emotional needs ignored the 8th House person grows up expecting little of the partners around whom he is prepared to build his life. In consequence his relationships are characterised by inequality. Whether it is emotional support, money or forgiveness - more than one 8th House person has discovered that he has married a person engaged in criminal activities - it is the person with the Sun in H8 doing the giving. The lack of reciprocity tends to be accepted without recrimination, and he will not easily give up on a relationship.<<

                          I know someone with this position and situation with parents as well as relationships and I almost think he chooses these kind of women... either needing money or support and never giving anything back in return..
                          he is so used to it that when I offer help as a friend he is unable to take it ... it makes me sad and Im hopeing to one day he;p him realize it doesnt have to be unequal like that..
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                            Re: Sun in the 8th house

                            Mon, December 8, 2008 - 11:45 PM
                            RE:
                            "The suffering experienced by 8th House people, is always at the hands of people with whom they have a close personal relationship, and although there may be physical cruelty also, it is at the emotional level that the pain is registered. The pain is nearly always that of rejection and the knowledge that the intensity of their feelings is neither understood nor valued."

                            I know this well. My dad had drug problems and my mom had to be his therapist - that left little time for me. I find rejection is a common theme in my life, especially having Sun in Libra in the 8th house. Jessy does your friend have Sun in Libra also?

                            From Stephen Arroyo - "Astrology, Karma, & Transformation" p.16
                            "People with an emphasis on the water houses [note: Houses 4, 8, & 12] live within themselves and are extremely hard to get to know (especially if the Sun, the symbol of the individual *self*, is in one of these houses). "

                            Do any of you here find this to be true? Do you find yourselves staring so hard into the abyss that you forget that other people are around? Is there a barrier between you and others that you can't seem to get rid of? Has your armor become your skin?

                            Ibid pp. 16-17
                            "The eighth house represents a yearning for the deep emotional peace which will help the person to relieve some of the pressure that compulsive emotions and instincts have exerted for so long. Naturally this peace and contentment is connected with the soul's longing for ultimate security and tranquility (salvation!), which can be achieved only by becoming free from desires and compulsive willfulness."

                            I have heard that wanting to be free from desire is itself a desire. How would one get rid of desires if one always has a desire? Isn't there a better way to save your soul? What about self-acceptance? How can we be whole and integrated? What do all of you think it takes to gain the emotional peace our souls need and beg us for, especially for those of us with Sun in the 8th house?
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                              Tue, December 9, 2008 - 6:46 AM
                              Brian, this is a slow process... Eigth House Sun people have to do something, to work with this constant emotional pressure and alienation or they'll go crazy. I think you hit the nail on the head: the key to understanding the Eigth House is working with compulsive fear and desire. There is nothing wrong with desire, we are just people. But in this house our experiences mirror that part of us that we have to come to terms with on an intentional level. What motivates us to feel, think or do things?

                              It's about awareness and responsebility - and acceptance and cultivation of Emotional Self-Reliance- hence the hiding away, so characteristic of this house, to do the work.
                              If you look at the Eigth Sign, it's the last phase before the Universal Signs of the Zodiac, starting with Sagittarius. It's about Transformation from a social being into a universal being.

                              Diving deep down and becoming aware of what moves us as personalities, our fears and desires, how they connect with others and discovering what is beneath them is not renouncing ourselves - but learning to live with ourselves. Like you said becoming whole and integrated - the desire to be so is called Aspiration and there is lots of it in this House.

                              Surpression of desire would be just the wrong way to go in this house, yet constant mindfulness of our unconscious will develop a steady and calm frame of mind capable of almost anything - even the destruction of the Fear - Desire complex, when we are good and ready for that...
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                              Tue, December 9, 2008 - 4:31 PM
                              From Stephen Arroyo - "Astrology, Karma, & Transformation" p.16
                              "People with an emphasis on the water houses [note: Houses 4, 8, & 12] live within themselves and are extremely hard to get to know (especially if the Sun, the symbol of the individual *self*, is in one of these houses). "

                              >From Brian - Do any of you here find this to be true? Do you find yourselves staring so hard into the abyss that you forget that other people are around? Is there a barrier between you and others that you can't seem to get rid of? Has your armor become your skin? <

                              That's all true of me and I'm 12th house Sun (and Mars) and 8th house moon (well on the cusp so read in both 8th and 7th). I lived in myself completely when I was young until I was 20. Then I met someone with 12th house sun and a Taurus moon conj mine at 0 degrees (and lots of other karmic "stuff"). Honestly, I'd say he's the only one who really knows me and around whom I really allow all boundaries to come down. We "get" each other and did from the start. But, I can tell you this, away from him I am right back to the person who lives inside herself and is very hard to know. To be blunt, I'm really not interested in the world or other humans. I've always been like that and anyone who has gotten in has had to overcome that.

                              Ibid pp. 16-17
                              "The eighth house represents a yearning for the deep emotional peace which will help the person to relieve some of the pressure that compulsive emotions and instincts have exerted for so long. Naturally this peace and contentment is connected with the soul's longing for ultimate security and tranquility (salvation!), which can be achieved only by becoming free from desires and compulsive willfulness."

                              >From Brian - I have heard that wanting to be free from desire is itself a desire. How would one get rid of desires if one always has a desire? Isn't there a better way to save your soul? What about self-acceptance? How can we be whole and integrated? What do all of you think it takes to gain the emotional peace our souls need and beg us for, especially for those of us with Sun in the 8th house? <

                              I don't really know Brian. My desire to write is me. I don't recognize any distinction. While I know my desire for my soul's mate is overwhelming to the point of me not wanting to live without it, I don't desire to lose it. It took me a long time to know it was that strong and I learned the hard way (so did he), but I can't say we desire to learn to live without it. Part of that is that we feel our karma is bound up and we need to work things out we did wrong before. Part of it is a considerable lack of interest in the world and other people so that we don't think that we're missing anything "out there." And honestly I think meeting him saved my soul because up until then I didn't understand at all what love was or how it felt. It was all intellectual and non-emotional to me. I'm a nicer person because I know him and I trust him.

                              On the topic of emotional peace, I think I had peace before through my writing but I'm not sure it was emotional peace. I think I was emotionally devoid at that point. I did gain emotional peace through this relationshp and so did he. In a strange way we give that to each other and no one can take it away. Even apart we still have it now although separation for us is horrendous. But, I'm not so sure we found that in each other as much as we found it in ourselves through finding each other. That's what made us realize it existed. We don't really recognize the difference between ourselves and everything else and there is a strange sort of peace when you realize that you are one with everything. You're aware of it and free of it all at the same time.

                              8th house is about transforming yourself. It's the burning away of all you think you know to rise like the Phoenix again. You may look the same but you are utterly transformed. I don't know about you with Sun in 8th but for me with Moon there (and Scorpio/Pluto all over the place) I can "see" everything as long as I allow myself to see it. I can't be afraid and I can't let society dictate what I should see. For the longest time I shut it out because it wasn't normal and it caused a lot of trouble. Now I'm open to it and unafraid. That's when you achieve real peace because you see it all for what it is finally and you realize that there really is no you and that...there is just everything and it's all the same...connected....infinite. That's the point where all this day to day stuff gets put firmly into its place. It's just "stuff." We create it and we hang on to it like it means something. But it's just "stuff."

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                                Re: Sun in the 8th house

                                Wed, December 10, 2008 - 10:22 AM
                                Zanne thank you for that post!

                                I really like hearing about real life examples of astrology and what people go through with their placements and how they have integrated their charts energy or not. You can only learn so much from canned interpretations listed online, in software or in books.

                                >>I don't really know Brian. My desire to write is me. I don't recognize any distinction. While I know my desire for my soul's mate is overwhelming to the point of me not wanting to live without it, I don't desire to lose it.<<

                                Stephen Arroyo is a good writer on the subject of astrology. That is, he has a lot of good ideas and Astrology, Karma & Transformation is an example of the kinds of ideas he gets in regards to certain astrological themes. However, I don't always agree with him. He seems too caught in his own words and ideas to consider the impact of what he is writing. It's like he doesn't feel what he is writing. Arroyo and I share sun in Libra so I know the tendency as I've done it too. But I know tend to feel when I don't agree with something. And of course I've only put small snippets in here out of context of the book.

                                That said, I know one cannot get rid of desires. Plus why would anyone want to get rid of desires. Our wants and desires drive us to achieve. Especially in the realm of the 8th, desire forms the basis for our transformation into "spiritual" beings, forming the philosophy we use to live our lives as indicated by the 9th house. So getting rid of desire would be detrimental to us 8th house people. Even tho I feel like s*** when dealing with 8th H matters, I come out of it different than I was before. I've survived, and like Nietzsche says, "that which does not kill me, makes me stronger." So in short, Arroyo has it wrong. Even though I want to be at peace emotionally (and that I now know only comes from the peace of the grave), I would lose out. I'd stop doing the work of transformation. No peace is worth that.

                                >>>8th house is about transforming yourself. It's the burning away of all you think you know to rise like the Phoenix again. You may look the same but you are utterly transformed. I don't know about you with Sun in 8th but for me with Moon there (and Scorpio/Pluto all over the place) I can "see" everything as long as I allow myself to see it. I can't be afraid and I can't let society dictate what I should see. For the longest time I shut it out because it wasn't normal and it caused a lot of trouble. Now I'm open to it and unafraid. That's when you achieve real peace because you see it all for what it is finally and you realize that there really is no you and that...there is just everything and it's all the same...connected....infinite. That's the point where all this day to day stuff gets put firmly into its place. It's just "stuff." We create it and we hang on to it like it means something. But it's just "stuff."<<<

                                Exactly! I have Moon in the 8th house also. In fact, it's conjunct my Sun and Pluto in the 8th house, so I know I have to let myself not only "see" but to "be". I handle my day-to-day matters but it is just "stuff" - able to drop it instantly. This might be strange but I realize -or starting to realize - that maybe I already am at peace. It's like a car with its engine already started - the motor is quiet so you think it isn't on. You go to start it and "EERRKK" it goes. Just letting yourself be may be the hardest thing to do though. I get my indications that my engine is already running and that I screwed up a bit when dealing with the 8th house. I'm already handling an issue consciously and I don't need to push it any more.

                                So, just being. Dealing with what is needed at the time and not any further. Throwing yourself in the rapids and lettting the current carry you while only doing some minor steering.

                                Thanks again, Zanne!
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                  Re: Sun in the 8th house

                  Sun, January 17, 2010 - 2:53 AM
                  "I just recently started dating someone and his sun is in my eigth my sun in his fourth and there is a magical and scary( because its so strong) feeling all at once"

                  Hi Jessy, I hope you dont mind me asking, but how did you find out that information on your sun placements in your partner's chart? I know how to create a synestry chart wheel using astro.com but I have no idea how to interpret it as all it does is provide the wheel which I cant make head nor tail of!!!

                  Is there a link you could provide which could explain this? thanks!
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                    Re: Sun in the 8th house

                    Mon, January 18, 2010 - 1:59 AM
                    Loretta

                    You don't need any additional software or anything like that. If you know your chart and you know his chart, it's easy. Just overlay one onto the other and see where everything falls.

                    So say you have your sun at 10 degrees Taurus and your partner's 8H starts at 2d Taurus, your Sun is in HIS 8H (even if your sun is in YOUR 4H or whatever). Imagine his 8H starts at 2d Taurus and ends at 2d Gemini - anything between those degrees, 2d Taurus and 2d Gemini, is in HIS 8H. So if your sun falls between them degrees, then its in his 8H.

                    Imagine this visually. Let's imagine you have his chart printed out and lying on front of you. Now imagine that you print out YOUR chart on asetate see through plastic. Place your chart over his, and line up the signs (NOT the houses). Now check look at yoru partner's chart and see if your sun is in his 8H. It's simple.

                    (I'm quite a visual learner so hopefully that last analogy didn't confuse people!)
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                      Re: Sun in the 8th house

                      Mon, January 18, 2010 - 11:51 AM
                      Paul,

                      thanks for taking the time to explain that, and you're not the only one who's a visual learner so no, that wasnt confusing at all...just need to get hold of some of that see through plastic!! ;-D
  • Re: Sun in the 8th house

    Mon, December 8, 2008 - 7:06 PM
    Yes I have this postition and everything said applies to me. I actually haven't been in a relationship for years because I tend to choose abusive people. Also to ask for help is something that is very very hard for me to do. So it is lonely at times but do have lots of time for inner work.
    • Re: Sun in the 8th house

      Tue, December 9, 2008 - 12:05 AM
      Yes Brian He is Libra sun...( Im GEM SUN)
      he also told me that he recognizes the intensity of emotions in me because it oh so familiar to him.
      Hes always giving me advice on how to pace myself.
      Hes done alot of inner work and sometimes I feel as if Im sabotaging it because my emotions are too strong and he doesnt want to deal with them.
      yet we understand eachother well ... ( cap moon , virgo moon) ( same aquar asc.)
      and surprizingly we are very attracted to eachother ( venus scorp/ taurus -not so good)although we only remain friends.
      Other aspects as well but we feel so naturally comfortable and understood with eachother..
      Their is an inner peace that he maintains ...but he seems to perfer to be alone as if there is no other way.
      Its sad to me yet I get it(Im pluto in 8th h-so I can be obssessive and compulsive).(like him Ive also attracted mates not very good for me..unequal)
  • Re: Sun in the 8th house

    Tue, December 9, 2008 - 6:49 AM
    The 8 House: as you perhaps know in Vedic astrology the water houses are known as the Moksha Houses as they mark the end of an evolutionary phase iniated by fire (Dharmic) Houses. Moksha means liberation or dissolution of Ego, so in these houses, especially the eigth - fixed energy, we meet that which dwells beneath the surface level in order to facilitate the ROOT of what constitutes Identity.

    Experiences with other people are often fraught with profound emotional themes, unresolved karmic energy that needs to be dealt with in this incarnation to understand and transcend that which is called the Shadow Self.

    The Shadow Self or Dweller on the Treshold is that part of us that we have to overcome in order to evolve beyond Ego-consciousness to Self-Awareness. It represents all the unredeamed emotional energy stored up in the karmic formations accumulated over countless incarnations.

    In this house, our experiences reflect an inner turmoil and emotional intensity that is just the tip of the iceberg that lies beneath. This constant crisis of Identity that accompanies the interaction with others: Why do I feel this? I don't want to feel this, are these my feelings/thoughts or someones elses?, Why do I act this Way? are meant to make us aware of these compulsions and transform them into a source of power.

    We learn that emotions that thoughts, emotions and actions performed unconsciously are the source of our confusion and slowly we focus on the meaning of them and our REAL intentions: That we are much more than lies just beneath the surface - we look at them with a peaceful equanimity, slowly releasing ourselves from their hold.

    This is a slow process, step by step. There are many ways that help to get to terms with the fact that this is not personal, this is not our fault, that we are more than this shimmering flame in the darkness - meditation techniques, such as mindfulness training, Raja Yoga, Tantra Yoga (not California Tantra-lol) Tai Chi, Prayer, etc...
    The Darkness that surrounds us, the armour and the mask become our hermitage and we start to see the light of Day as our heart release the weight of Ages. In this House the Eagle spreads his Wings.
    • Re: Sun in the 8th house

      Wed, December 10, 2008 - 6:03 AM
      mmmmmm.. Partha..Thank you.
      that was vey meaningful and caused me to contemplate on the fact that my shadow is such a powerful part of mywhy emotional responses are so imbalanced and chaotic. I know this yet its difficult to "fix" it. I have come a long way but I want to get passed this so badly and the necessary slow process is what drives me insane. I cry hard tears and feel deep pain and aT times its my only relief so that I can once again move on and feel "normal" again , until the next challenge I have to face and disslove.
      My friend somehow is a reflection of me and where Id like to be ... he has distanced himself from his extreme emtional responses and I find myself trying to draw him out and I know this is wrong. Its almost as if I want him to live the intensity of those emotions with me. I know how it will end up if I dont stop myself.
      The other thing is that he has planets in my eith house and he affects me deeply , even more so tan I affect him. Im not sure if this is good or not. It seems not at the momment .
      His sun, mercury,mars, uranus,and pluto are all in my 8th H.
      I ony have uranus in his 8th
      also his venus sextile my my pluto and his moon and mars trine my venus
      our venus are in opposition (scorp and taurus).
      Dont know...this so confusing yet powerful to me.
      • Re: Sun in the 8th house

        Wed, December 10, 2008 - 7:51 PM
        also his venus sextile my my pluto and his moon and mars trine my venus
        our venus are in opposition (scorp and taurus).
        Dont know...this so confusing yet powerful to me.


        That is very powerful synastry between you. You can probably cut the attraction between you with a knife. It's usually very apparent and palpable to others who see you together. You have more power with your Pluto sextile his Venus even though he may not let you know that. His Moon trine your Venus should make him very emotionally drawn to want to be with you in a relationship, but Mars in the mix is going to bring on the sexual energy as well. Mars also makes you two want to "do" things or "work" on the relationship. Also Venus in Scorpio and Taurus makes neither one want to quit because Scorpio has to possess until death and Taurus will stick with it no matter what. So even though it's opposition and Scorpio is more passionate while Taurus is more sensual, neither one of you are quitters and you both value trust, security and loyalty.
        • Re: Sun in the 8th house

          Wed, December 10, 2008 - 8:25 PM
          OMGoodness that is us in a nut shell.... Im flabbergasted!
          lots oh lots of sexual tension we are tryiing are best to control right now..
          and your right ..he knows Im into him but I can tell with him beside the very subtle things he does
          like pull me tight when we hug...or stare into my eyes and will always hold my hand when we walk ...
          the best thing is ,when I ask what were doing for the night , he likes to say " whatever I you want"
          so I say ok l want you : )
          Im very blunt., straight forward... nothing to hide... Ive kissed him without permission...
          and aked him if he check my heart beat to see if Im breathing..ill take off my shirt : ) he smiles says my name and walks away Ach!
          the hard part is that he is more evolved than me I think.. hes really worked on his emotional responses
          and I feel more primitive , as you can tell : )
          so his libra sun aqaur rising is stronger more aloof than my gem sun aquar rising..
          I want to talk every day ..he wants to talk every three ( over the phone)
          unless we are together than its me and him against the world and we dont shut up for a minute.

          thank you so much for the insights.. I appreciate it very much Z anne
      • Re: Sun in the 8th house

        Fri, December 12, 2008 - 6:00 AM
        That's Ironic...I have the same stellium but mine is in my own eigth house... I have learned the hard way to become aware what REALLY motivates me (Pluto conjunct Mars) and what that says about me (Pluto conjunct Sun) and then there are mercury and uranus conjunct each other and the Sun making me look at this whole process in a removed, impersonal way, trying to get to the bottom (eigth house) of things and radically changing (Uranus) myself from the depths (Pluto) of my being (Sun).

        It's hard, but trying to cultivate a moment to moment awareness of all the thoughts, feelings, images running through your mind can help to get more perspective on the nature of your own intense reactions and the nature of your relationship. All his planets in your Eigth House suggest that you could both have a profound transformative effect on eachother's lifes.
        • Re: Sun in the 8th house

          Fri, December 12, 2008 - 9:38 PM
          I can feel the intensity of it all when we are together ..just dont know if tis will be all positive...
          not on his part but on mine and my crazy emotions and responses...
          I know this ..I told him I felt since the first day we met that we will always have a bond even if other parts of us
          experience drastic changes.. "for better and for worse"
          I also told him that I felt as if he was to be my husband..strange I know...
          but one never knows how these things work out...
          I have already gone through some changes in the short span of six months knowing eachother...
          he has made me question things like why I react so strongly when I cant reach him, knowing he has always returned all my calls
          and why do I fear that he will leave my life when he has been nothing less of supportive and kind. and there for me unlike anyone else Ive known..
          Its like he continues to prove me wrong..
          hes kind ,accepting, intuitive,healing , warm and Im still waiting for him to do something horrible...
          and as far as he is conscerned when I give my support he now questions the feeling of being suspicous
          ..when he knows Ive never been less that open and honest and a true friend..
          we help eachother go beyond the conditioned mind of all our negative past experiences..
          very healing, safe, comforting, loving : )
          freedom to be ourselves with no negative reperccusions is another theme in our " realtionship" friendship.: )

          thanks this has been very enlightening..
          • Re: Sun in the 8th house

            Sun, December 14, 2008 - 6:21 AM
            "he has made me question things like why I react so strongly when I cant reach him, knowing he has always returned all my calls
            and why do I fear that he will leave my life when he has been nothing less of supportive and kind. and there for me unlike anyone else Ive known..
            Its like he continues to prove me wrong..
            hes kind ,accepting, intuitive,healing , warm and Im still waiting for him to do something horrible...
            and as far as he is conscerned when I give my support he now questions the feeling of being suspicous
            ..when he knows Ive never been less that open and honest and a true friend..
            we help eachother go beyond the conditioned mind of all our negative past experiences..
            very healing, safe, comforting, loving : )
            freedom to be ourselves with no negative reperccusions is another theme in our " realtionship" friendship.: ) "

            "just don't know if this will be all positive"

            You've already answered your own question. It already has.

            If this were the only thing you learned from each other it would be invaluable.
            • Re: Sun in the 8th house

              Sun, December 14, 2008 - 9:29 PM
              >>If this were the only thing you learned from each other it would be invaluable<<

              plz explain : )

              not sure I understand what you mean or what "this" is ..
              If the only thing we learned from eachother were positive things it would be invaluable?
              It seems to me we arelearning how to deal with all the negativ emotions in a positive way..
              or at the least not becoming self defeating...
              accepting who we are, learning to trust....
              as I mentioned before ..only thing is that my responses are stronger than his because
              he has started his inner healing process long before I did... so although I can see things in him
              he can see way more in me without me saying a word..

              other thing is that I just found out that my daughter has sun in the 8th too as my friend does and I feel so bad..
              she is only 8 and Ive known since she was born that she was an "old soul"..
              but it doesnt help that Its hard for me to understand her heaviness ( and Im heavy my self, go figure!)
              she also takes the role of "helper" since I am a single parent and I try hard to get her around other kids..
              seems to gt along best with older kids and loves babies..like to nuture them..
              what can I do to ease this..I dont want her life to be so painful as mine was....
              took me nearly 30 years to find some peace within... : (
  • Re: Sun in the 8th house

    Tue, January 26, 2010 - 3:42 AM
    Note, I dont have an 8th house sun, yet I can relate to almost everything said in this discussion. Does this discredit house positions? I only have north node in 8th house, I dont think thats such a personal placing. Perhapse the scorpio ascendant may pull similar experiences with Sun 8th house, seeing as I have my Sun in pisces in the 3rd decan, trine the scorpio Ascendant. My sun is in the 4th house, I have read this is like dwelling in a cave pool of all your subconcious workings yet not having the will power to really do anything about any of it.

    My older brother has Sun in the 8th house. He has no interest in the occult or mystical, yet the power he has is phenominal, so much potency. His focus is rare and eyes extremely penetrating, yet he has no problems with the world around him, dealing with its trials and tribulations, although, saying this, his way of dealing is battling in whatever way possible, having a scorpio moon would help with this shear ferocity and velocity of intent and will power. I have always felt my brother is scared of the occult, and too indulgent to let go of the material worlds deceptive promises of outward happiness.

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