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Am I getting old??

2008-09-26T21:26:54Z

(you might have seen this posted in another tribe too)

I have died my hair for YEARS, many different shades, and recently grew out my own color just to give my hair a rest.

I am finding I really LIKE my haircolor- a medium/dark ash brown.

There is a part of me that thinks about having fun with hair color again but there is another part that is enjoying not having to dye it over and over and REALLY is liking how healthy it is.

Not really posing a question or anything, just bringing up the topic and sharing.

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Steampunk????

2008-09-26T02:50:28Z

This term cracks me up. THIS is the "Goth" that I grew up with....very victorian inspired. It's a victorian era goth... which goth use to be all about... I am so confused...

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DANCE

2008-09-25T15:40:29Z

HI GUYS;

Just wondering if any of you ElderGoths dance? My name is KaZena, I live on the Gold
coast in OZ, I'm a Gothic Bellydancer - is there anyone else out there like me?
KaZena
Australia

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Listen

2008-06-23T02:22:08Z

check out this livestream

http://c895worldwide.com/web/default.asp?page=home

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Vampire Songs

2008-06-21T16:38:22Z

Yes, I'm looking to make a vampire song playlist. Not just vaguely vampy songs or goth songs but songs specifically about vampires. So here's what I have so far. PLEASE help me add to the list! Thanks!
1. Bloodletting- Concrete Blonde
2. Moon Over Bourbon Street- Sting
3. Santa Carla Twilight- Tiger Army
4. Deception- The Cruxshadows
5. The Vampire Club- Voltaire (tho this is more a parody of the "vampire scene", and a damn funny one at that!)
6. After Dark- Tito & Trantula
7. We Hunger - Sioxie and the Banshees - "Hyena"
8. Nosferatu - Blue Oyster Cult - "Spectres"
9. Transylvania Concubine-Rasputina

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New Goth Tribe

2008-06-20T13:07:07Z

Come check out my Tribe! Seeking....

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what is the most Gothic place you have ever sen?

2008-06-17T02:31:51Z

Anywhere in the states, what city, what town, what state? and what was so good about it, and why? Good clubs? good cemetaries? lots of culture? lack of rednecks? what?

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Do we still love Anne Rice?

2008-06-10T21:58:55Z

OK there's no denying she had a huge impact on our culture. There's no denying she has talent. I still read Interview almost yearly, as I've been doing since I was 11 years old. But frankly, I despise Lestat (and love mopey Louis) and I think the majority of the other vampire novels she wrote were dreck. I also enjoyed Witching Hour and destested everything that came after it. As far as I'm concerned her best works are The Mummy, The Feast of All Saints and Cry to Heaven. Yep, all stand alone works with no disappointing follow ups. Then there's her whole return to the Catholic Church ("Hey God, I was just kidding all those years I said you didn't exist and the porn was just a phase. No hard feelings, right?") and her even more disturbing move from the New Orleans mansion to the suburbs. Oh and let's not forget that life of Jesus book. So, has she failed us? Betrayed us? Or do we still worship her for the dark glory that was? Now that we're old and jaded, how do we really feel about her literarey prowess? Was she just in the right place at the right time or did she really create enduring literature? OK gang, weigh in!

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Gothic shops

2008-05-05T17:38:06Z

Let´s spend some money! I just opened a tribe to compilate a list of our favorites places to go shopping when we want to wear black. I knew we needed one when I arrived to Madrid and realize I didn´t know any local shop to visit. Join us and share your favorite ones (local shops or websites). See you there:

http://tribes.tribe.net/gothicshopping

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New music tribe (X-Post)

2008-03-31T21:36:08Z

My husband has opened a new tribe for goth metal lovers. Please, spread the word and join if you want!!

http://tribes.tribe.net/darkgothmetal

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Vampira- An Icon has moved beyond this world

2008-01-15T20:34:00Z

Maila Nurmi, TV's Vampira, dies at 85 By JACOB ADELMAN, Associated Press Writer
Tue Jan 15, 8:55 AM ET

Maila Nurmi, whose "Vampira" TV persona pioneered the spooky-yet-sexy Goth aesthetic, has died, coroner's officials said. She was 85.

Nurmi died Thursday afternoon at her Hollywood home, Los Angeles County coroner's Lt. Fred Corral said. The cause of death has not been determined, Corral said.

Nurmi created her Vampira character — reminiscent of Charles Addams' spooky New Yorker cartoons — to host horror movie broadcasts on KABC TV in Los Angeles in 1954.

With darkly mascaraed eyes and blood-red lipstick, Nurmi appeared each week in her revealing black dress and slinky fishnets to introduce such films as "Revenge of the Zombies" and "Devil Bat's Daughter."

"The Vampira Show" was canceled after about a year, but Nurmi remained a cult figure among B-movie buffs and is thought to have inspired the vampish Morticia Addams on "The Addams Family," which premiered about 10 years later.

But Nurmi's cultural resonance did not translate into long-term wealth. In 1989, she lost a $10 million lawsuit that contended Cassandra Peterson's late-night horror hostess Elvira pirated her character.

"There is no Elvira. There's only a pirated Vampira," she was quoted as saying in an Associated Press story at the time. "Cassandra Peterson slavishly copied my product and made a fortune. America has been duped."

Among Nurmi's scattered film appearances following her TV career was a cameo in Ed Wood's 1959 cult classic, "Plan 9 From Outer Space." Nurmi was played by Lisa Marie in "Ed Wood," Tim Burton's 1994 tribute to the B-movie director.

Nurmi was born Maila Elizabeth Syrjaniemi in Finland on Dec. 11, 1922 and emigrated with her family to Ohio, said Heather Saenz, a friend.

In her late teens she went to New York, where she fell in with a clique of actors and artists and moved with them to Hollywood to seek a film career, Saenz said. She worked as a chorus girl and model before appearing as Vampira, Saenz said.

Nurmi supported herself late in her life by selling handmade jewelry, Saenz said.

Saenz and her husband, Bryan Moore, met Nurmi in 2005 when they recruited her to serve as grand marshal in a procession of hearses sponsored by Los Angeles' Petersen Automotive Museum.

Moore said he plans to transport Nurmi's casket in a vintage 1951 hearse that appeared in a scene of "Ed Wood."

Moore said he plans to transport Nurmi's casket in the same hearse she rode in at the parade — a vintage 1951 vehicle that appeared in a scene of "Ed Wood."

"So that's going to be Vampira's last ride," he said.

Funeral arrangements are pending. Nurmi has no known surviving family, Moore said.

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Hello!

2008-01-10T18:46:10Z

Just wanted to say hello since I am the long absent moderator of the group, who still reads regularly, but rarely has time to post...so glad to see so many new friends here. Yay!

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Vikings Came From the gothic Tribes?

2008-01-01T21:02:18Z

Good evening all, I thought I would post a theory here and see what others had to say about it.

As you may recall from history, the Vikings were great explorers and adventurers. Having developed out of the earlier Goths (or GahTSK), these Norsemen traveled and migrated all over. As the Visigoths or Western Goths, they ransacked the Western Roman Empire and penetrated as far as North Africa. And, as the Ostrogoths or Eastern Goths they moved into the Balkans and then settled in Italy (attempting to reform the early Roman Church). Moreover, the less well known Yugogoths or Southern Goths migrated Eastward and settled along the Silk Road to China, where they eventually founded the Jewish State of Kazaria.

[Scandia Faith (Cross) Shield]However, most interesting of them all, were the Norigoths or as we say GahTSK (literally the Ancient Northern Peoples of God). During the so called Dark Ages, these Peoples came to dominate all of Scandanavia and the Baltic Region, as well as much of the rest of Northern Europe (especially in the Vidfadmi Era). But, as time passed, they split into two groups. The more holy descendants went Eastward, into Russia, where they became the Varangians. And from there, they went farther Eastward to China (and legends even hold that they showed up in Japan, perhaps among the Ainu). The less holy and more Pagan descendants went into Western Europe, as the Vikings, and from there arrived in the New World of America.

So, their track record for exploration, adventuring, and migration is well established. They were a Peoples on the move. And, always in search of greener pastures (or treasures around the next bend of the river). Moreover, the stories and legends of their exploits are still remembered today.

[Historical Literature (Scroll) Shield]However, among all their achievements and discoveries from their travels, the most important one is almost forgotten! Or, simply ignored by the modern sophisticates who scoff and say it could not be done. But then, accounts of other Viking exploits, which were held impossible, have, in fact, turned out to be true! (Witness the old Viking legends that they had discovered America, which we now know to be fact from archaeology.) So, just because it seems incredible, does not mean that it did not happen, for the Vikings accomplished many unbelievable things!

So, what are we talking about here? (You may ask.) Well, it is such a great discovery, that if it is true, then it is more than amazing. It is a fact that we all need to know about! And, I am speaking here of the obscure legend that the Vikings actually discovered a Route to Heaven! Now, at first glance, that may seem totally unbelievable, but let us examine the facts that we can gather, to see if there is any solid basis to this legend.

[Nordesel Unity Shield]Perhaps one of the major mysteries of the Norsemen is their original name of Goths. The word Goth comes from a more primitive term of GuDT, which means God. Thus, the Goths (or pre-Vikings) were the Northern Peoples of God (which is why we call them GahTSK). Now, if their name comes from God, is it possible that they had some knowledge of HIM? I'd say that was obvious! And, if they knew about God and HIS Realm in Heaven, is it really too much to think that they might have known how to get to Heaven to be with HIM? Again, I do not think it is beyond reason. Rather, it seems entirely possible that they could have had some such kind of knowlegde!

So in reading this, Asatru is an actual religion from a Gothic Culture.

What does every one else think?

Loki

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Goth Parents-Help!

2007-11-14T22:13:55Z

So here's the situation; My husband and I are 40 and have no children by choice. Interestingly enough, as fate would have it, we are about to become guardians for my 12 year old cousin. We are delighted and terrified. Here's how it happened; Last September I flew out to California to visit family, primarily my grandmother who was doing very poorly (as it turned out, a good thing I did as she passed away just a few months later) and while I was there my little cousin (11 then) came home from school to find her mother dead on the couch. I had not seen her since she was a toddler so I really met her for the first time on the night her mother died. We bonded instantly though and I completely fell in love with this thin pale girl with the masses of raven curls who was clearly 11 going on 35. Since then she has been mostly staying with her grandmother, my aunt, as we subsequently found out her father (my aunt's son) is completely hooked on drugs and is, as of now, homeless. However, my aunt is not in the best of health either and being a mom all over again is beyond her though she has tried very valiantly. The girl (her name is Sorcha, how's that for cool as hell?)has always been an only child and her mother had a lot of problems so she pretty much has raised herself. In addition, her mother kept her away from her father's side of the family (a typical tale of a bitter divorce when Sorcha was still a toddler)and the upshot is that Sorcha is WILDLY different from the rest of my family and they frankly don't know what to make of her. She's bookish and morbid and there's a constant struggle over her wardrobe, which she would prefer to be solid black. And while I was very fortunate growing up in that my immediate family was very accepting of my weirdness (my grandmother once said to me, "Of course we don't understand you sweetheart but that's OK, you be just as strange as you want because we love you anyway." Best gift she ever gave me)alas, Sorcha's family is afraid of what they don't understand and so have been ceaseless in their efforts to change her. She won my heart completely when one of her aunts (my older cousins) said to her, "But sweetie, you'd be so CUTE in pink" and Sorcha very calmly replied, "I don't want to be cute, I want to be beautiful and mysterious." At any rate (excuse the rambling, it's still early and I'm still on my first cup of coffee)in the next few weeks she'll be coming to live with us. My husband and I are both only children as well and so we're rather uniquely qualified to deal with the eccentricities and need for privacy of an only child,and while we know it will be no cake walk we are both ready and willing to take this on.
So here's my appeal to those of you who are parents out there; I will need my goth parent support group! Are your kids goth? What are the challenges I can expect her to be facing in middle school right now? How best can I support her uniqueness and yet be vigilant that she isn't going overboard? Black clothes, yes, cutting, no! What challenges have you faced being both goth and parents? Have you felt the need to "tone it down" now that you have children? And above all, feel free to dispense any advice you may have about parenting a young teen in general! LOL
Many thanks for reading.
Regards, Alex

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(in SF, CA) Museum event for eldergoths and kindergoths alike

2007-10-20T06:50:12Z

Filled with clownfish, cocktails and conversation, the California Academy of Sciences opens its doors to the happy hour crowd on the third Thursday of every month. Visit the aquarium and exhibits while listening to DJ Tomas Diablo (Strangelove, Rock This Town) and enjoying a cash bar. The Academy will be decorated for Halloween, and the music will feature spooky classics.

Guests can also expect to see live animals and even meet one or two up close and personal. Kodak moments may include a snapshot with an alligator, snapping turtle or a beautiful pine snake. This month, make sure to visit with some of the more ghastly creatures: tarantulas, piranhas, eels, sharks, snakes, lizards, and bugs!

Thursday, October 18, 2007
$5 admission from 5 - 9 pm
Members always get in for free
All ages welcome - little ones, too!
California Academy of Sciences
875 Howard Street, San Francisco
(Two Blocks South of Powell Street Station BART/Muni)

MORE INFORMATION: http://www.calacademy.org/events/thirdthursdays/
the Flyer: http://www.tomasdiablo.com/Pics/CalAcademy101807.jpg

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Alexandria, VA Anyone...

2007-10-07T07:52:35Z

I thought I would drop a note to say that I am headed to Alexandria, VA
in a couple hours and will be there from October 7 to October 11. If
anyone would like to chat, I am up for meeting new people while
there. Please let me know.

Hugs;
Loki

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How old is elder?

2007-09-28T20:41:47Z

Ok, so what is the time-frame to be included as an "elder" goth? I still don't feel old. It must be all of that young-blood I've been getting drunk on. I was born in '69 and came into the scene in the early '80's So I may be old in real years, but not so much in the "Goth scene" years. So I just want to know, "How does one gauge thier age in the scene?"

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ahaha! lol Cthulhu!

2007-09-24T19:10:16Z

http://www.lolthulhu.com/

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Eldergoth's in SF Bay Area??? H.P Lovecraft fan??

2007-09-24T16:53:13Z

come see my hubby's paintings this thursday at his first solo gallery showing...

http://people.tribe.net/maude-dib/blog/ce128b4c-3486-4256-b750-fd26dbd28b86

Yes, this is an event listing (and if you want me to remove it let me know- no problem) but he will also be showing a silent film on Cthulu and there should be some fun people there. I think you "eldergoths" will really love his stuff...and the film is so much fun!

I would love to meet some of you.

Plus, it's at Chicken John's place and he is running for Mayor of SF. If that doesn't happen, he will be trying for some sort of arts position... so come tell him what you want SF culture to be!

Stop by and ask for Tara, me, and say hello!

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Fashion Tips for the creaky set....

2007-09-20T16:14:23Z

Chicks got it easy. The Ladies (tm) have a plethora of fashion styles available to them, starting at a very young age, and continuing on to death.

Us dudes though, of whatever subcultural stripe, we get kinda screwed as the years go by. Seriously, eldergoth fellas, the most stanard uniform consists of jeans and concert tee for casual, possibly a rockabilly chaser. Then we have...victorian? basic black suit? Done. To. Death. Thankyouverymuch.

What are some good, contemporary spook options for that man of a certain age (i.e. mid-late thirties) who wants to look That Certain Way. (You know the one, a hint of menace, a dash of wicked, and some playful disembowelment on the side)

Natch, dripping with lace and nothing but doesn't fly like it did when we were but wee pale things, since these days we've got utility to think of as well as form. And, well, face facts, not all of us have retained that sylvan figure.

So, things with a bit of mobility, comfort, and heaping helpings of style. And not for girls.

Where the HELL should I be looking?

Damion
(finds himself pondering the options available in black western wear. You could do worse than dressing like Johnny cash....as Eldergoth as you can, that man. Mmmmmhmmm.)

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The Lady of the Manners in the news!

2007-09-20T14:17:03Z

You can read an interview with her here:

http://winnipegsun.com/News/World/2007/04/02/pf-3896157.html

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spiffy ties for guys who like them

2007-09-20T00:08:33Z

a friend of mine might be getting the squid one... I think these are lovely!

http://www.cyberoptix.com/shop.php

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Scary Mary

2007-09-05T04:00:51Z

you guys will love this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T5_0AGdFic

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Maybe there is still hope for us in public opinion, after all

2007-08-29T13:57:59Z

I found this, and wanted to share...

DEAR ABBY: I recently witnessed something that renewed my faith in the younger generation.I was on my way to a craft festival recently and was passing under a freeway overpass. There were the usual homeless people asleep under the bridge, including one man who was sprawled on the concrete. Two young people walking by wore spiked hair, piercings, tattoos -- the whole "Goth" look.
One of them bent down next to the homeless man, then stood up and kept walking. I was concerned about what they might have done, so I walked over to the man. I found the young man had left a bottle of water for the homeless man.
I ran to catch up with the couple and told them I had seen what they did and wanted to shake their hands. The young man just shrugged and said he thought the man might be thirsty.
With young people like that walking our streets, I no longer worry about the future of our country. -- JOEL IN AUSTIN, TEXAS

DEAR JOEL: Your letter, like the previous one, is a breath of fresh air. By not prejudging a person by his or her appearance we can put an end to stereotyping. Thank you for sharing your experience with me and my readers.

Originally published here:
http://www.uexpress.com/dearabby/

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Creepy, fun, ghost, puzzle

2007-08-27T02:46:03Z

It's one of those point and click things. Move your mouse around. If it's an arrow- you can click and move to that point. If it's a hand- you can interact with that object.

http://www.onlinegameshq.com/frame/dXN1YXJpb3MuYXJuZXQuY29tLmFyL3JvZHJpZ3Vlem0vZ19ub3JtYWwuaHRt/n/.html

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For film lovers.... The Devil's Backbone

2007-08-20T20:06:20Z

I am a director's commentary whore. I love them. I found a great one recently.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0256009/

The Devil's Backbone
Guillermo del Toro (Pan's Labrynth)

It's about an orphanage in Spain and a ghost.

What is interesting, besides the movie, is the commentary. He is a huge fan of "Gothic Love Stories" and goes into great explanation of them. He talks about what makes them gothic love stories, what makes great ones, his favorites, and much about the imagery within them.

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How do I.....(cross post)

2007-07-31T23:06:32Z

Hello to everyone :)

How do I make hairpieces from double ended dreads? I want to use butterfly clips, but what else do I do? I want to make sure they (a) don't come out of the clips and (b) they cover said clips, so that when I wear them, they aren't visible and are secure.

I've looked everywhere and the only thing I can find is how to make clips that aren't butterfly, and use wefts (neither of which I use or have).

Please help!!!!

Thanks!

Mets

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I have opened a shop!

2007-07-23T19:51:08Z

My husband and I just opened a shop with Gothic designs (hats, jewelry...). We will be adding items periodically; and we will be happy if you come visit us!

www.kaleidoskopicromance.etsy.com

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How old would you be...

2007-07-20T16:59:11Z

...if you did not know how old you are?

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Don't miss this one!

2007-06-12T01:10:50Z

My favorite part is that now goths are responsible for global warming, among other things, as usual...

http://godhatesgoths.com/index.html

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I am selling mini top hats

2007-05-31T22:07:56Z

The base price is $25, but it will depend on the final adornments you want to use (plus shipping). Here is a pic:

http://people.tribe.net/cb547cf7-a670-439b-8407-4c7f5fcd7ee0/photos/7162ce92-a82a-4012-a849-e2cfa1857f3b

Bear in mind that they are not regular size, they measure 5 and 1/2 inches. You attach it to your head with a satin bow under your chin.
I can make these designs or work with you in your own custom design. Just PM me and let me know your ideas and I'd see what I can do.
Thanks!

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What was your favorite book as a child....

2007-05-29T12:20:48Z

and in high school?

As a kid my favorite was "Raggedy and the Wonderful Witch".
http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/n17/n87003.jpg
She was supposed to be a nice witch but I found the drawings so creepy and fun! I LOVED it!

As a highschooler... To Kill a Mockingbird.

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I had to share this...

2007-05-28T19:11:52Z

I saw this in another tribe and had to share it. Some days ago I saw it on the internet (it was on a religious web site that I can't find again) but didn't occur to me to copy it. Your thoughts, please...

Listed below are some warning signs to indicate if your child may have gone astray from the Lord.

Gothic (or goth) is a very obscure and often dangerous culture that young teenagers are prone to participating in. The gothic culture leads young, susceptible minds into an imagined world of evil,darkness, and violence. Please seek immediate attention through counseling, prayer, and parental guidance to rid your child of Satan's temptations if five or more of the following are applicable to your child:

-Frequently wears black clothing.

-Wears band and/or rock t-shirts.

-Wears excessive black eye makeup, lipstick or nail polish.

-Wears any odd, silver jewelry or symbols. Some of these include: reversed crosses, pentagrams, pentacles, ankhs or various other Satanic worshipping symbols.

-Shows an interest in piercings or tattoos.

-Listens to gothic or any other anti-social genres of music. (Marilyn Manson claims to be the anti-Christ, and publicly speaks against the Lord. Please discard any such albums IMMEDIATELY.)

-Associates with other people that dress, act or speak eccentrically.

-Shows a declining interest in wholesome activities, such as: the Bible, prayer, church or sports.

-Shows an increasing interest in death, vampires, magic, the occult, witchcraft or anything else that involves Satan.

-Takes drugs.

-Drinks alcohol.

-Is suicidal and/or depressed.

-Cuts, burns or partakes in any other method of self-mutilation. (This is a Satanic ritual that uses pain to detract from the light of God and His love. Please seek immediate attention for this at your local mental health center.)

-Complains of boredom.

-Sleeps too excessively or too little.

-Is excessively awake during the night.

-Dislikes sunlight or any other form of light. (This pertains to vampires promoting the idea that His light is of no use.)

-Demands an unusual amount of privacy.

-Spends large amounts of time alone.

-Requests time alone and quietness. (This is so that your child may speak to evil spirits through meditation.)

-Insists on spending time with friends while unaccompanied by an adult.

-Disregards authority figures; teachers, priests, nuns and elders are but a few examples of this.

-Misbehaves at school.

-Misbehaves at home.

-Eats excessively or too little.

-Eats goth-related foods. Count Dracula cereal is an example of this. (*Remark: it's Count Chocula, not Dracula, idiots.)

-Drinks blood or expresses an interest in drinking blood. (Vampires believe this is how to attain Satan. This act is very dangerous and should be stopped immediately.)

-Watches cable television or any other corrupted media sources. (Ask your local church for proper programs that your child may watch.)

-Plays videos games that contains violence or role-playing nature.

-Uses the internet excessively and frequently makes time for the computer.

-Makes Satanic symbols and/or violently shakes head to music.

-Dances to music in a provocative or sexual manner.

-Expresses an interest in sex.

-Masturbates

-Is homosexual and/or bisexual.

-Pursues dangerous cult religions. Such include: Satanism, Scientology, Philosophy, Paganism, Wicca, Hinduism and Buddhism.

-Wears pins, stickers or anything else that contains these various phrases: "I'm so gothic, I'm dead", "woe is me", "I'm a goth".

-Claims to be a goth.

If five or more of these apply to your child, please intervene immediately. The gothic culture is dangerous and Satan thrives within it. If any of these problems persist, enlist your child into your local mental health center.

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Eldergoth cocktail party at Convergence

2007-05-24T01:31:17Z

So how many of you are going to the Eldergoth cocktail party on Friday night? I had my 40th (ACK!) birthday on the 15th so I think I officially qualify as "eldergoth" now! LOL Anyway, would love to meet peeps!

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Just passing the word (X-Post)...

2007-05-09T20:44:57Z

They will need all the help they can get:

http://www.halloweenartspooktacular.org/

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goth genes

2007-04-26T15:38:40Z

Any of you come from families full of oddities? Ever watch the Addams Family and feel reminded of your own? I do.

My mom was a sort of proto-goth back in the mid 60s. When her friends were wearing flowers and vairous hippy accutrements, my mom came to hight school in a cape and a black leather skirt and boots. Frequently. And she still gets pissed if you call her a hippy. "I'm a freak, not a hippy!" she'll say. Loooooooved the Velvet Underground . She used to sing "I'll Be Your Mirror" (and if she was in a jauntier mood, "Maxwell's Silver Hammer") to my brother and me as lullabyes and read to us from Voltaire (the French one, of course) and Kurt Vonnegut for bedtime stories. While my friend's mothers were all listening to the Beach Boys, my mom played the Ramones and the Pistols.

I was, even separate from my mom's influence, a pretty gothy lil kid, too. I remember, when I was quite young, the first time I saw The Avengers and I thought how lovely it would be to have the leather-clad Emma Peel do some sexy martial arts moves on me. Or Julie Newmarrrrrrr. Or both!! And I got a most unchildlike thrill when I saw the blue-skinned mechanical woman crushed the gullible sultan in The Thief of Baghdad. I raised some eyebrows in 8th grade when I turned in a book report on Cities of the Interior. When Siouxsie and Bauhaus and such came out, I went crazy and just ate it up. And I was wearing a black trenchcoat long before it was the official uniform of the disenfranchized loner teen geek. I don't know that is something to brag about, but true none the less.

Now, my daughter (recently turned 3 years old) is even gothier still. She plays dead. She pretends to breastfeed a stuffed bat. She sits in the bath splashing around singing, "blood, blooooood bloood!" Recently, looking at "What is Goth" (by the other Voltaire) she said, "Spooky boys, spooky boys. So pretty." She offered me make-believe "skull eggs." I asked if she knew what a skull was, thinking maybe she meant 'scrambled eggs'. She said, "you know, a head bone." She dresses like a princess whenever possible. Not rare for a little girl, I know, but she dresses like a Princess and then pretends to boil her fisher-price figurines in pots, or burn them with lasers. She loves graveyards as much as I do, and always tries to steal the flowers. She likes to put cloth draped over her head, kinda like the virgin mary. She goes around with this forlorn face saying, "I am a lady. I am sad." In fact, she often make-believes that she is terribly depressed.

So..I'm thinking there is a pattern here, non? How about all y'all? Gothy parents? Gothy kids?

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Had to share

2007-04-24T14:20:44Z

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3uJEiDETKE

Jill Tracy video for the Fine Art of Poisoning. The coolest thing I have seen in a very long time.

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New Gothic Tribe!

2007-04-19T21:11:40Z

Hey! I just created a tribe called Gothic Arts and Crafts for all the artists out there. Share with us your home-made Gothic projects! See you there...

http://tribes.tribe.net/gothicarts

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Speaking of Cons

2007-04-10T00:53:07Z

Someone mentioned going to a convention, so I thought I'd ask if any of you will be at Norwescon.

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an epiphany

2007-03-31T19:38:59Z

You know those wierd spams you get now and then, that say shit like "Uncle fries a window, be resolute or I will furiously smell them at you." From people named things like Bunson Crunchway or Necktie Persimmons...

I have figured out what they are. They're lyrics to unreleased Cocteau Twins songs. It's been rumored for some time that Elizabeth Fraser was a bit mental. I think she's skipped beyond music and focused on dadaist emails instead.

It's not really such a leap from "Whoever comes clean or a hullaballoo/For whip-stitching/Please won't you fly?" to "Here's the pink of twice. Make five a hard way. Up the sweeper, my fruit."

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getting ready for FRolicon....

2007-03-24T14:55:47Z

Hubby and I have decided to go to Frolicon in Atlanta, the weekend of Easter. We have never been before but I am exsited about going. I just ordered a new lacey top hat to wear, with a red and black corset.I want to be sexy goth , with a kick. Anyone else going to Frolicon? Do you know what we can expect?

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Spikes Vampire Bar

2007-03-21T02:46:42Z

BLOOD DRIVE

A Fundraising benefit for Spike’s Vampire Bar

On Saturday, March 24th, the undead from Spike’s Vampire Bar will take control of the Porn
Palace in San Francisco and celebrate as only we can! This will be one of the most amazing
nights on or off the playa and you do not want to miss it!
Join us for this fundraiser to help keep Spike’s undead on the sunblighted wasteland of Black
Rock City! “Blood” will flow and you can Dance the night away.

DJ’s
Fuzztheraven (recoilstudio.com)
DJ Slaveboy
Chazz
Tristan
Rodent
Boychaos

Plus performances by:
Captain Erotica
Red Hot
BusDriver

Porn Palace
415 Jesse Street
San Francisco, CA
9:00pm–3:00am
$15.00 in advance at www.blooddrive.eventbrite.com/
$20.00 at the door
21+, ID required

NOTE: You can also donate to Spike’s via PayPal at spikesvampirefunds@gmail.com

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I need a little help, please...

2007-02-19T09:33:41Z

My first corset just arrived. I can't tell you guys how happy I am with it, it's perfect!! But... would somebody give me a little advice on how lacing it up?
Many thanks!

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Does anyone like jewelry?

2007-02-17T10:03:41Z

Hi everyone... I have an oline shop loaded with gothic style jewelry and am having a hard time getting it off the ground. I'd like to offer you all free shipping on any of my jewelry items, all you got to do is contact me for the magic word. Please check out my art and pass my shop onto your friends... thank you so much!!

Ahna

http://Ahna.Etsy.com

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I'm So Goth...

2007-02-10T02:29:56Z

There is a spider who is, as I type, building a web above my computer table.

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I thought you guys would appreciate this...

2007-02-05T08:52:06Z

http://www.illusionmasks.com/winter_2000_dress.htm

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Feb. 22nd is Edward Gorey's Birthday - any ideas?

2007-02-03T19:40:06Z

Hi -
Just found this tribe, and wanted to introduce myself.
I am the proprietoress of Gorey Details
www.goreydetails.net

We're having an intimate little soiree here in Portland, OR
in honor of Edward Gorey's birthday on Feb.22nd.
(If you're in the area and would like to be included, please contact me)

If you'd care to share any ideas to make this shindig as Gorey-esque as possible,
we'd really appreciate it!
Activities, food, decor, etc.
(I've got prizes and favors covered, I think :)

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If anyone would know, you would.

2007-02-02T00:43:03Z

I remember reading a story when I was a young darkling about a city run entirely on harmonics. I thought the name of it was Tintinabula; however I cannot find any reference to it anywhere on the web.

Do I have the name wrong? Does anyone else remember this? Was it my own personal fantasy shared only by the writers at Disney who wrote a Duck Tales episode about it?

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What do you think?

2007-01-23T20:43:46Z

I don't know if anyone remembers me. But I had to share this. My daughter is doing an assignment for school. I can only assume it's in English or Lit. But she wrote a poem. I wanted to know what you guy's think.

It's Your Choice

What am I?...Who am I?...
Am I merely a shadow that walks through the twilight of time?
Do I feel pain? Do I feel happiness?
It seems all I ever do is wait.
I wait for the darkness to consume me.
And I wait to be cast out into the empty abyss.
I wonder if maybe I once roamed free.
Free of these troubles, and free of this impassive feeling deep inside me.
But am I the shadow of what I was?
Or maybe, I am simply the shadow of what you might become.

My daughter is 14 and I thought this was great. But I was wondering what others thought. She told me her mindset was of a person who had committed suicide and these thoughts go out from that spirit to someone who had not but was likeminded.

And just to let everyone know. No, my daughter is not suicidal. Just comfortable expressing alternate viewpoints.

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New to the tribe... 36 yr. old goth :)

2007-01-21T20:57:17Z

How is everyone??

Ahna
--------------------------
The Spirit of Dark Art
http://Ahna.Etsy.com

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Any Elder Goths in Rhode Island?

2007-01-18T13:11:14Z

Hello from Lovecraftian Providence, RI.......I was wondering if there are any Goths/Rivitheads here for me to hang around with (although I'd hang around with anybody!)

Just curious.....come out come out where ever you are........ ;)

Metagion :)

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I've found a good website...

2007-01-14T00:11:00Z

....and I wanted to share it:

http://www.dragonsthorne.com/

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You are not going to believe this...

2007-01-10T22:02:37Z

I just talked to my mother. She lives in Europe, and a friend of her just returned from Paris, and told her "I was thinking about your daughter all the time. You would not believe how many girls I saw on Paris dressed as goths". But the point was when my mom told me, "Okey honey, I hope you are happy, you are dressing as it is trendy in France". I don't know if Paris has a big goth scene or not (never been there), or if the friend was exaggerating. But at this point of my life, I thought my mother would know I don't dress as a NeoVictorian lady just because "now it's trendy". Besides, how am I supposed to know what is trendy these days among the French youth?

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Goth Holidays

2006-12-31T15:07:28Z

Today I"ve been thinking about the things my daughter and I do to make our holiday dark, lovely, and special. (Complete with purple lights, Halloween ornaments, gothic wrappings and of course, a solstice celebration) I was hoping you all might share how you make your holidays ...well...goth...
Best wishes for the holidays!!
Zybele

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I'm not a huge Marilyn Manson fan...but did you guys look at his website...It really rocks!

2006-12-27T03:09:00Z

http://www.marilynmanson.com/

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what is Goth Santa bringing everyone during the Yuletide season?

2006-12-14T01:53:42Z

I am wanting a new black corset & boots. I've bee naughty but only I was asked to be. I hope I don't get a lump of coal.

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I just joined...

2006-12-07T18:49:46Z

and wanted to say Hi everybody! I don't know if 30 (almost 31) is old enough to call myself "eldergoth" but, hey, I was thinking yesterday that more than 15 years have passed since I put a black swirl in the corner of my eye.

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new elder goth in Louisiana

2006-11-28T16:44:50Z

Dark Blessings, I've been a goth all my life and always will be. Melancholic at times, moody at my worst, highly individualistic. I really do not run into over 40 people who do not know what goth is, however, I do run into quite a few younger people who are completely clueless, they think buying from Hot Topics is goth, it is not, goth is never mainstream, it is underground and its expression is unique to each goth. Plus there are many types of goth, I'm a traditional goth, into medieval culture and symbolism. There are some who think goth is a religion, it is not, you can have Christian goths and run the gamut all the way to satanic goths. The one unifying thing I believe we all share is finding beauty in the darker aspects of life. Anyway, I'm hoping to meet some other elder goths here to commune with, where I live in vanilla land anyone different is shunned at best. I fit the bill since I'm not only goth but bi-femme and don't hide it. I don't broadcast it either. I'm stuck here but am trying to find a group on the internet I can call home.

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HELP!! ANY ELDER GOTHS IN FLORIDA???

2006-11-28T16:31:07Z

helloooooooo? anyone? i need friends in the jacksonville area, is there anyone here? does anybody KNOW of anyone here?

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Cremaster 1 and 2 at red vic tonight!

2006-11-02T17:21:17Z

http://www.redvicmoviehouse.com/show.php?pageid=377

*** I'll be at the 9pm showing as long as I can leave Winston Smith's gallery opening at a reasonable time.

Dir. Matthew Barney
US Cremaster 1 (1996; 40m) is the beginning of Barney's innovative series. The film is set in a football stadium where the musical extravaganzas of Busby Berkeley are parodied. Chorus girls forming outlines of reproductive organs and blimps creating anatomical diagrams are among the stunning visuals.

Cremaster 2 (1999; 79m) is a gothic Western, of sorts, premised loosely on the story of Gary Gilmore, who was executed in Utah for murder. Gilmore's biography is conveyed through a series of fantastic sequences including a séance and a prison rodeo.

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happy, happy, radio moment....

2006-11-02T01:16:10Z

Most halloween day radio music is songs like Thriller by Michael Jackson. BUUTTTTT.... yesterday I heard BOTH the Time Warp from Rocky AND Belalagosi's Dead!!

*sigh* ...it was nice!

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What shoes do Eldergoths wear under their wedding dress???

2006-10-30T18:37:43Z

http://people.tribe.net/maudeofthemountains/blog/091338fc-6405-4f74-ae7b-c230b3089d71

=)

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Explaining Goth to the over 40 set

2006-10-27T16:23:53Z

I find that most people are surprised when they find out I'm a Goth, because a) 'Goths are all supposed to be white'; b) 'Goths listen to that horrible music and you don't (apparently most people aren't familiar with Chopin, Saint-Saens, Mussorsky, Verdi, and Puccini, all of whome can be very ethereal or Goth)'; c) you listen to jazz and blues and Country (uh-huh. I listen to Johnny Cash, Hank Williams, Sr., Duke Ellington, and Bessie Smith, among others- they all made music about pain and despair at various points of their career)'; d) you don't wear weird clothes (no- I just own more black than the average person, even in New York, and I don't feel like I have to dress up constantly, since the last time I did a guy followed me for blocks and asked me to dominate him)'.
Let's face it. I'm in my 40s. I always admired jazz musicians, who wore suits and ties and elegant dresses as they got older. I'd feel silly wearing a dog collar and running into one of my students. And as a woman living alone, I really don't need to attract any more attention to myself than I already get. For me, Goth has never been about looking cheesy. Other than a small collection of small skulls in my bedroom and the plush bats hanging from the ceiling of my home office, most people would never guess that I'm Goth, which is fine by me- in my mind it shows a lack of imagination. However, when I mention that I am, I get odd looks from people my own age, as if I said that I hang around high schools and wear Marilyn Manson t-shirts. Or even worse, they want to 'see' me wear or do something 'Goth' (what am I? An amusement?), as if I have to prove that I really am one. does anyone else have a similar issue? I have the same problem with being queer, also- people assume I'm in the closet or that I'm straight because I'm not constantly wearing rainbow flags, even though I'm out to my students and have had trouble because of it (being bisexual seems to be worse than being straight-up lesbian, it seems).

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DIsintegration's Halloween "Dark Carnival" this Saturday October 28th!!

2006-10-25T19:36:03Z

YAY! It's this Saturday!!! Please my wonderful friends, tell anyone and everyone you know about this event. Please crosspost and promote the bejebus out of it if you can. :) Thanks!!!!

Another exciting note to add.... CARI WILL BE BARTENDING AT THE DARK CARNIVAL!!!!!!!!! WOOOHOOO!!!!

DISINTEGRATION'S HALLOWEEN DARK CARNIVAL!!!
This is the absolute one night of the year you don't want to miss. Disintegration Halloween parties are legendary! :)

Front:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v17/icemachine1/flyers/halloweenfinalfront700.jpg

Back:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v17/icemachine1/flyers/carnivalbackfinal700.jpg

The Dark Carnival
Sat October 28th
Disintegration
at Club 2101
2101 Champa
Denver CO

A Carnival themed night complete with performers, sideshow, cotton candy & adult snowcones, circus decor and more!

Costume contest:
1st prize is a $500 gift certificate from CELEBRITY TATTOO!!
2nd Prize valued at $250 and 3rd prize valued at $150 and these packages include prizes from many scene supporting merchants! They are super cool and feature gift certificates and more!

Free Drinks for ladies from 9-10 pm
$2.00 wells/drafts all night for everyone!
21+ only
Starts at 9:00pm goes till 2:00am (and we have an extra hour of drinking thanks to Daylight savings!)
$7.00 cover all night

Sponsors:

CELEBRITY TATTOO
http://celebritytattoo.com/
11730 West Colfax
Lakewood CO
303-232-TATT

BLACK PHOENIX ALCHEMY LAB
http://www.blackphoenixalchemylab.com/welcome.html

TWILIGHT ALCHEMY LAB
http://www.twilightalchemylab.com/

VENDETTA MUSIC
http://vendetta-music.com
11 East Bayaud St
720-570-7853

FASHIONATION
http://www.vixensandangels.com
613 East 13th Ave
303-832-2909

INDYINK
http://indyink.com
84 South Broadway
720-937-9722

THE CRYPT
8 Broadway
303-733-3112

ROCKY MOUNTAIN ROLLERGIRLS
http://www.rockymountainrollergirls.com

CAPONES HIDEAWAY
5 East Ellsworth
303-733-0841

INDIGO SALON
1217 East 9th Ave
303-830-1115

MONSTERSQUAD
http://monstersquadnyc.com

ARTOFFACT RECORDS
http://www.artoffact.com

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13: Devil's Dozen, Number of the Unknown, and the magical rebirth through Death;

2006-10-14T12:45:15Z

Interesting article about Friday the 13th. Thought you might like the reading :)

http://urbanlegends.about.com/cs/historical/a/friday_the_13th.htm

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Advice please

2006-09-29T17:37:11Z

First of all let me tell you alittle about me. I am not a goth myself (I don't think). However, I do love the look and the personal outlook. I have a 14 yo daughter who I have a great relationship with. She is definately moving into goth territory. Actually she is already there to a mild degree. Not something I discourage. I actually encourage it because I believe she is intelligent and do not want her growing up with narrow mindedness. Both of us are actively involved in a gaming group that plays White Wolf's World of Darkness games. For those of you who do not know of this we play a Werewolf and Vampire on weekends as well as some of the other venues. She is also involved in D&D games 2x's a week. I don't , mainly due to other requirements to my time. We also Belly Dance together. So anyway. here is where I would like advise. Now that she's definately moving into a more mature teen world she's begun wearing more makeup etc such as heavy eyeliner. The thing i'm concerned with is that as she moves into a more goth oriented world it seems that she's narrowing her outlook to exclude other forms of things. How do I encourage her in her look and tastes yet still guide her not to narrow her field of experience?

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Wife Swap anyone?

2006-08-21T20:56:32Z

Subject: ABC wants to cast fun families with unique or "unconventional"
lifestyles! $20,000!
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:12:45 -0400
From: Heather Teta <heather.teta@rdfusa.com>
To: 'Heather Teta' <heather.teta@rdfusa.com>

Dear Sir or Madam,

I'm a Casting Producer with ABC Television and we're looking for
great families who love to stand out from the crowd, families who do
not conform to society's standards of "normal." We're looking for
families who perform in punk or goth bands, families who own
hearses, families who own and operate haunted houses, families who
love the gothic style, families who are interested in vampire
culture, etc. – basically families with any unique or unusual
interest! We're looking for those fun, over-the-top characters who
live “unconventional” lifestyles - families who aren't afraid to be
different.

We're currently casting for ABC's hit family show, 'Wife Swap!'
Please don't be confused by the title - "Wife Swap" is a **family**
show on ABC primetime. The premise is simple: two moms from two very
different families get the opportunity to swap lives (but not
bedrooms - everyone has their own!) for a week to experience what
it's like to live a different lifestyle - and to see what they can
teach each other about their own! In this case we're looking to
feature head-strong families with unique interests and hobbies - and
all the fun that goes along with it. I would greatly appreciate you
forwarding my information on to any of your family members, friends,
and associates who might be interested in sharing their lives with
us for a week!

All featured families will receive a **$20,000** financial
honorarium - and **$1000** goes to anyone who refers a family that
makes it on the show! We are looking for two parent families with
children (between the ages of 5 and 18) who are ready for adventure!
I appreciate your assistance in reaching out to these great families
and look forward to hearing from you soon!

Best,

Heather Teta

Associate Producer

ABC Television’s //Wife Swap//

RDF Media

440 9^th Ave 11^th Floor

New York, NY 10001

Heather.Teta@rdfusa.com

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Rock Legend Lee dies- influence on Goth greats

2006-08-17T16:03:24Z

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060804/en_nm/arthurlee_dc_2

Arthur Lee's band Love influenced Souixsie and the Banshees and Echo and the Bunnymen, among others.

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SAmhain plans anyone?

2006-08-17T01:30:13Z

Wheel of the year is quickly turning. Samhain (holloween to most folks) is just around the corner. DOes anyone have any big plans? I stayed home and handed out treats and chased kiddies around. It was fun but afterwards, hubby and I welcomed the FAll season in with candles , cakes and mulled wine. Anyone do anything vastly intresting last year? Lets hear you Hollowmas horror stories....

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Fox News interviews a Goth

2006-08-16T22:49:25Z

No, this is not a joke; Fox News, as part of a discussion on a so-called "Goth" murder suspect, decided to bring a Goth on their news program to get his opinion:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=IZKAoqW4PMU&search=voltaire

I was ready for an offensive circus when I first checked out this link. What I saw...well, have a look for yourself.

- Heretic

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Long term Companions (of the human kind)

2006-08-13T02:51:00Z

Is anyone here in a long term relationship with someone who isn't goth-oriented? When I met my spouse through his oldest sister at a concert I knew he wasn't terribly interested for his own sake but went along because, well, there wasn't anything else to do. I've been married for about a decade now, and just recently decided after a recent Fetish Night at a 'local' club at the spurring of a friend, that I'd like to keep a little more involved with the fashion, music and dancing.
He's not very enthused.
Anyone else have this experience? Any suggestions or insight?

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The moment I knew I was Goth

2006-08-12T20:40:46Z

I'm looking at old photos of my family from the 60s and 70s. Everyone is wearing those happy shiny clothes that were so popular. There's Mom in a perky dress she made on the sewing machine, her wig perfectly perched under a green scarf. There's Dad in a leisure suit, brown, with one of those muddy-looking patterned shirts that were so popular. He's even wearing a medallion. There's a picture of all of our friends and their children, smiling like they'll die if they don't, not caring that they aren't all wearing braces or lack perfect bodies, but they look healthier and happier than most children I see now.

And then there's me.

I'm the one not smiling. At all. In any picture. And in every picture where I was old enough to pick my clothing, it's in the darkest color available.

"You were always moody", my mom says as she sorts through pictures and exclaims at the hair, clothes and furnishings.

The last one is of me alone, circa 1977. I'm wearing a striped rayon shirt and have an afro that would notw be large enough to label me a hippie, although it's small by the standards of the day. I'm not wearing any makeup. I look straight at the camera, using my eyes like baleful laserbeams.

And the shirt? It's frickin' 1977, and I'm wearing a black shirt with thin gem colored stripes and dark jeans. I look like the world's most angry feminist, or like I'm about to take out a Dow Chemical plant after joining the Weathermen in hiding, or like I had just listened to Dark Side of the Moon for the 1,000th time while burning incense in my room and practicing spells that would allow me to see the Great God Pan (which is the most likely circumstance, because I did that on a regular basis).

My mother loves this picture. She giggles at how she tried to get me to smile, and couldn't.

Me? I see a beetle-browed chocolate version of Wednesday Addams about to lunge out of the picture like a liiving painting in a Harry Potter novel.

And as far as I know, Goth as a concept was still several years away.

Holy F**k, I think. I invented Goth.

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The Nature of Evil

2006-08-04T15:42:22Z

Another member suggested creating this topic, so I thought I would take the plunge.

As it happens, I had cause to write about this very subject a while back. In my opinion, terms like "good" and "evil" are tossed around so frequently that a clear understanding of these terms seems to be lacking in public discourse.

"Good" and "evil" are not, in my opinion, accurate comparisons to make in discussions of morality. Good is a positive outcome, bad is a negative outcome. These two terms are the two dimensional, the black and the white concepts that describe an event or an action. Evil (yes, Evil with a capitol "E") isn't truly evil without the direction of malicious intent. Evil isn't bad, evil isn't a negative outcome. Evil is premeditated action intentionally taken to do physical or psychological harm to the world. It is a black hole, a hurricane that, left unchecked, can and will swallow everything in it's path. A lot of bad things seem evil, and a lot of evil things are taken to be simply "bad". They are not the same.

The term "good" is the most overused, and misconstrued, of these descriptions of morality. "Good" is a 5 course meal, a friendly kitten, a warm breeze. There are things that are more than "good", actions that rise above politeness, move beyond "cool" or "awesome". There are things people have done that go so far beyond "good" that they stand for decades, even centuries. Just the oposite of Evil, these acts are Righteous.

Easy stereotypes for a Righteous acts are Jesus, Ghandi, Mother Theresa, Martin Luther King. But like Evil, Righteousness isn't personified in just one individual; it is an elemental force. If Evil is a black hole, Righteousness is the sun; if Evil is a force that crushes out all light and hope, Righteousness is a force that brings light and creates hope.

While good and bad are basic, animalistic instincts, (and we are animals), we are also intelligent, self-aware beings. The difference between good and Righteous, bad and Evil is in that intelligence, that self-awareness.

- Heretic

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ANybody out there with Goth kids following in your footsteps?

2006-08-04T14:56:24Z

Ever since my daughter was about 11 or 12 she began dressing all in black and dragging out my old 80's clothes. She now is stealing my music that she used to hate when she very little. I turn around one day and instead of a little , sweet, rosey cheeked blonde cutie, there's a pierced, smirked teeneger, asking if its cool to dye her hair jet black.I feel like I did a good job of bringing her up and damn am I proud of her! Her pic is posted on my page if you want to see what cheeky little monkey she is. She is my reigning Princess of Darkeness, Miss Nikki, stundent Goddess of the Night.

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Baby Goths of Color!

2006-07-31T20:07:33Z

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/30/nyregion/thecity/30cove.html?ref=thecity

There was a wonderful story in the NY Times today about the Latino Goths in the Bronx. I've noticed more and more black and Latino Goths in lower Manhattan, too. Gosh. When I see them I just want to run up and hug them. *Joy*

While many of them have the same problems as white suburban kids into Goth (their parents think they're devil worshippers; many of them don't seem to have proper supervision at night; they have an unfortunate taste in makeup), they also face racism, poor education, and the difficulty of living as weirdoes in violent neighborhoods where the different are often the first ones picked off. The good thing is that the kids mentioned in the article are pretty artistic and sweet. I just wonder how many of them will be alive 10 years from now. When these kids talk about death and morbidity, it's actually based in a reality, since the South Bronx is one of the most violent places in America.

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A short, gothy animation on Chess

2006-07-31T01:14:33Z

http://www.scary.ru/flash/white_black.html

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What happened to Gothic Miss Manners?

2006-07-29T01:33:32Z

Do any of you know what happened to the Gothic Miss Manners website? I was going to post a link to her wonderful Eldergoth essay, and I couldn't get to her site...does anyone know if it still exists or moved?

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My page on Amazon.com- links to books and other Gothy items

2006-07-28T19:34:54Z

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/guides/guide-display/-/P57P478K56O0/ref=cm_aya_av.sylt_sylt/104-6477025-8610360

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Bunches and bumches of photos

2006-07-27T22:00:23Z

I just put up a bunch of photos that I thought you guys might like in the photo section of this tribe.

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The 'Holy Trinity'

2006-07-27T18:55:19Z

In the SM world, there are fetishists, hardcore SM types, and people practice D/s. The fetishists are usually not into pain or power exchange They are only interested in their fetish, whether that be smelly feet, rubber skirts, women with tiny breasts, men in boots, or whatever. If they want to grovel, there's pretty much only one thing that will get them excited. They usually spend very little time talking to the rest of the community, and very often they don't perceive a larger community at all.
Hardcore types are serious about their play. They might or might not dress up, but they're into the mechanics of play. They might be into receiving or inflicting pain, or they might mix that up with heavy-duty bondage. Most of them are interseted in topping and bottoming, and if they do the Master and slave thing, they're often into long-term contracts. These are the lifers, who might look normal on the outside, but are very often into some heavy-duty stuff in their head and in life.
Then we have the D/s crowd, which is mostly straight and mostly about male tops and female bottoms. There might be pain, but for the most part, it's about playing slave games and 'dominating' people, usually in the bedroom. Sexy outfits might be worn and floggers might be used, but most of the people involved are not planning on coming out of the closet or marching for the rights of sexual perverts.
I'm thinking that Goth is like this also. You have people who are primarily fashion-oriented- everyone from the Marilyn Manson fan to the beautifully turned out goth chick in a corset. They might be heavily into tattooing, thin eyebrows, contacts, fangs, and all of that, and like some of the music too- but most of it is about dressing up and maybe shocking people. Then you have the artistic types who might be musicians, writers, and designers, who who might be the heavy-duty readers and culture vultures. These types are less interested in Goth music than they are in forming a personal aesthetic that might take cues from Goth-labeled fashion and style, and creating something that might or might not be seen as Goth by more mainstream types. Finally you get the people who are serious about Goth for a while, maybe even a long while, but it's primarily a phase that's linked to musical taste. As their tastes change they may 'grow out' of being Goth, until Goth music becomes nostalgia. They might buy a dog collar or two or rip up a pair of pantyhose, but they aren't necessarily going to cover themselves with tattoos, study black magic or dark spirituality, or buy every Bauhaus album ever made.
Given that these are generalizations, where do you fall?

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Just posted photo...

2006-07-26T23:37:23Z

of my favorite boots!

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Sharing a moment.....

2006-07-26T23:07:06Z

Background: When I was 19, a great friend of mine shattered both his ankles and had a very long period where he was bed/house ridden. He lived in a small one room apartment in the tenderloin with only a bed, tv, and radio. My friends and I gathered branches from around the city and decorated his room with them. After work I would catch a bus to his place, light a bunch of candles, get stoned, and lie on the bed (which was on the floor) and listen to Enya. It was like a calm, warm, wonderous, enchanted forest.

Fast forward 16 years: My cousin and I are visiting Paris and I get a bug up my butt to hope the border and go into another country. The concierge suggested Brugge, Belgium- some of the oldest known architecture in the country. We take the train and find ourselves wandering through an amazing midevil town with churches around every corner. We found this one, The Church of Our Lady, that was a towering brick building. We decided to go in. Now, most churches in Europe are dark because of the colored stained glass windows. This particular church was brilliantly white inside because it had regular windows- not the dark stained glass. They had tapestries and artwork on every serface imaginable and huge white marble staues, and TREEES! Yep, trees all over the place. So I am standing in the middle of this old, kinda messed up church, with all this artwork around me, and trees, and my breath showing in the air because it was so cold, and I take a moment to listen to the music... they were playing ENYA... no kidding! Somehow the beauty of the place, the music, the trees, and everything took me back to those enchanting days in a little room in the tenderloin in SF. I actually started to cry. My cousin came up to me, asked me what was wrong, and I just smiled at him, and told him it was just so beautiful. He looked around and I saw that he had teared up a bit too. *sigh*

It was quite a moment.

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beating the heat

2006-07-23T03:30:13Z

The heat in NYC is killing me- and the pollution has my lungs hurting. On top of that, the air conditioner keeps tripping the circuit breaker.
I went out for a while today, dressed in a black silk short skirt and a red cotton top and did my errands (I made sure to put on sunscreen). But I was so uncomfortable! What are you all doing to beat the heat? Are you giving up black? Are you living on Popcicles (my solution)? Are you watching endless movie reruns?

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infusion of new blood

2006-07-22T23:02:24Z

so yeah - i don't use koolaid for haircolor anymore, and my husbands docs don't grace the dance floor so much anymore but goths we are and goths we'll stay!

So what happened? the last post is way last year.... have the elders gone hibernating on us? come back! post again! rekindle the conversations and start a few more.

A little about this rable-rouser.... I'm young I guess, though I feel old (27) and my husband is older than I though says he feels young (his motto: you're only as old as the woman you feel - he's 37). I'm goth, he's punk and we're deliriously happy still hitting the club every now and then in Philly. Still having fun!

Where are the rest of you? Still active in the clubs/ scene in your area?

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New Video of Gothic belly dance & Snake dance

2006-06-14T03:30:03Z

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Exdg8FDIzo veil dance goth style

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z2aS1pUaYg snake dance
This is Me and Osiris.

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Goth Belly Dance

2006-05-16T04:35:03Z

I have been belly dancing for years and years. We got a wild hair to try Goth belly dance and now everyone wants to see us perform. Old Goths Reborn ;~}
We are known as Mystic Hips.

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Greetings from a lurker & question

2006-04-26T07:40:19Z

Hello.. I've been lurking around here for about a month now.

I have 2 young children (7 yrs & 4 yrs) and live in a small town... needless to say, I'm not fully out of the gothic broom closet yet. ;)

Along with being a full time mommy, I am also a (gothic/tribal) belly dance instructor and performer... so I get kinda wierd looks around town as it is. *big grin* But I do have a question for all of you. On Saturday mornings, my daughter has t-ball games and the sun beats down on our heads. *hiss* Does anyone have any suggestions for a way to protect my head and eyes? I cannot do a parisol/umbrella because of blocking other parents views. (and boy would they get nasty!)

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Your ideas, comments, topics

2006-01-15T23:18:00Z

So Judi suggested a Black Rose as a symbol for us, like sort of a red hat society, but I think Black Rose is an event for the BDSM community, isn't it? yet, our own "society" is a brilliant idea...so what would you creative women suggest? spider? glittering bats? share your ideas...

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Welcome!

2005-07-26T04:26:40Z

Hello and welcome to our very own tribe...please introduce yourself and feel free to post a topic or two to get us chatting about "the good ol'days"

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