critique my piano skills!

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I've been playing around with improvising on the piano (well... AkoustikPiano plug in)... please give me your impressions!

www.themoodchannel.com/test/p...108.mp3

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  • Re: critique my piano skills!

    Mon, March 31, 2008 - 6:28 AM
    that thing gets a nice sound! they take up a shitload of disk space, don't they?

    your piano playing reminds me of my own: not too fast or technically skilled, but with a solid chord theory and a creative mind backing it up.
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      Re: critique my piano skills!

      Mon, March 31, 2008 - 7:27 AM
      yes... akoustik piano sounds really good! I got it as part of komplete... and was nicely surprised! of course... 4 dvd's worth of disk space is quite a bit!

      what I'm ultimately going to do though is record the sound using a microphone placed down the hallway from my studio... as I'm looking for a flowy... almost ghostly effect.
  • Re: critique my piano skills!

    Mon, March 31, 2008 - 6:38 AM
    definitely newb sounding on the improv, but nice stuff regardless. interesting chord choices. my critique: practice (duh!) and pull out your sustain pedal. the pedal will help the chords & lines flow and tie the sounds together a bit more. pedaling is one of the things that makes piano (acoustic & electric) sound "more real"--pianists pedal instinctively.
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      Re: critique my piano skills!

      Mon, March 31, 2008 - 6:49 AM
      sustain pedal!

      that's the kind of tip I'm looking for! thanks!
      • Re: critique my piano skills!

        Mon, March 31, 2008 - 9:21 AM
        good call on the mic'ing. nuttin can replace da real 'verb
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          Re: critique my piano skills!

          Mon, March 31, 2008 - 6:53 PM
          not necessarily related to this... I found that my girlfriend has two metal plates on her design room wall (for sticking magnets to)... and they make a lovely reverberation! I'm tryin' to figure out a way to hornswaggle them into my agenda!
      • Re: critique my piano skills!

        Mon, March 31, 2008 - 4:15 PM
        it's one of those things that doesn't immediately occur to you if you're not a pianist. i was playing my controller keyboard without one for years and finally it started to bug me when i would play piano/rhodes parts that needed.... ...something. i was so used to playing synths & clavs & organs that i completely forgot about pedaling...

        ...anyway, glad to be of help.
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          Re: critique my piano skills!

          Mon, March 31, 2008 - 6:54 PM
          I just tried it... and it definitely melds everything together quite nicely! I was having problems understanding when is the right time to release the note... and this helps immensely!
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    THE TRUTH!

    Tue, April 1, 2008 - 6:28 AM
    okay... I didn't actually play the piano on that track... it was played by a max patch that I've been developing.

    I've been working on it over the past 3 weeks. it uses a script based mechanism allowing me to define the density of notes... transposition... key... mode... scale... stuff like that.

    each "phrase" starts with the chord... then the melodic portion that follows is elaborated using a markov chain.

    within each phrase... the notes get less dense as the phrase plays out... then gets dense again at the beginning of the next phrase.

    this particular sample is the 5th script I've developed... and the first worthy of this cheap turing test. I'm happy with the feedback considering that I haven't put more than 8 hours of work into the whole thing.

    when I get to the next plateau I will post another example... thanks guys!
    • Re: THE TRUTH!

      Tue, April 1, 2008 - 7:46 AM
      impressive.
      • Re: THE TRUTH!

        Tue, April 1, 2008 - 11:26 AM
        indeed! far beyond my programming comprehension (not that that's saying much).
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          Tue, April 1, 2008 - 1:34 PM
          That was very pretty. I liked the chord progression a lot and I'd love to see an analysis of it. It was rather Chopin-esq which I love. A sustain on certain notes will help, but it was bootyfull. Nice work.
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            Re: THE TRUTH!

            Tue, April 1, 2008 - 4:28 PM
            this is the progression:

            C M IV
            C M II
            C M V
            C M I
            D m I
            D m V
            E m II
            E m V
            E m I
            C M IV
            C M II
            C M V
            C M I

            then back to the beginning...
            • Re: THE TRUTH!

              Wed, April 2, 2008 - 6:56 AM
              Not sure I get what you mean by that.
              "C M IV" looks to me like it means the four chord in the key or C major = F. Otherwise, you may mean that there is a sus 4 in there? IOr am I way off and you use some lead sheet method that I've not yet seen? It's not that I want to bite it, but now I'm curious about your notation style.
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          notation style

          Wed, April 2, 2008 - 8:00 AM
          C M IV

          C = key
          M = Major (or m=minor)
          IV = chord

          yes.. saro... this would be the F... of course.

          I take it a step further and use this as the mode for every note playing in my max patch,

          basically.. I generate a sequence of notes...

          1 5 10

          ...which get run through a filter that is based on the notation string I detailed above.

          the filter interprets each number as the interval where 1=root... 5=fifth etc...

          these numbers get converted into midi note numbers which can then be tranposed by octaves (or otherwise).

          I find this advantageous in that I can have multiple parallel processes generating notes that remain in the same key/scale/mode... which I apply globally to the whole system. for me it allows me to compose on all white keys then easily "color" the music after the fact.. and in real time.. without much thought.

          note that my use of minor keys is very simplistic. I designed my filter so that I can design my own scales using ttsttts or whatnot... but I know very little about minor keys at this point.
          • Re: notation style

            Wed, April 2, 2008 - 9:25 AM
            That's coool. Makes perfect sense. I'm glad to know that my intuitive skills have not fallen away...lol

            I think what you are doing is really neat. I am actually surprised that something so mathematically scientific can sound so beautiful. Pretty neat stuff there, guy. Well done. I can't wait to hear more.
          • Re: notation style

            Thu, April 3, 2008 - 4:49 AM
            <notation style
            C M IV

            C = key
            M = Major (or m=minor)
            IV = chord>


            actually you can eliminate one step of that (notation-wise) by notating the chords in upper (IV) or lower (iv) case indicating major or minor, respectively.

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