Duct tape body block

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Considering drafting a doublet using this method (putting on a t-shirt, wrapping up the body in duct tape and cutting up the result as pattern pieces)

Has anyone here tried it? Is it useful?
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  • Re: Duct tape body block

    Thu, April 30, 2009 - 2:35 PM
    I used the duct tape method this year to make patterns for bodices for my sister and niece.

    You get a pattern more closely suited to the body, but I still wound up making several rounds of alterations as either my washed fabric stretched or my subjects lost weight.
  • Re: Duct tape body block

    Fri, May 1, 2009 - 6:14 AM
    I have several friends who have used the duct tape dress dummy technique with great success.
    You cut yourself out of the duct tape along one seam and then tape the tape shut again and stuff it, making a double to drape on that's shaped just like you.
    Not so much using the duct tape as the pattern pieces per se, as they wouldn't flatten out all the way no matter how much you smoosh them.
    I tried to do the tape dummy, and it didn't work on me at all, since I have an Extremely Odd Figure tm.
    However, I highly recommend the duct tape method for making a shoe pattern.
    Put on an old mismatched sock, trace your foot on cardboard and stand on it, the tape the "sole" to your foot and tape your whole foot up to the height of the shoe, then cut along where your shoe seams are going to be, et voila.
    • Re: Duct tape body block

      Fri, May 1, 2009 - 7:08 AM
      I've tried both making the duct tape stuffable Noel and the wrap/cut/flatten sloper. Neither is perfect and I came to feel that the wrap/cut/flatten sloper info could just have easily been created by using a measuring tape (as tailors do). It's really better suite to "describing" an oldly shaped, less regular object (Michele's example of a shoe is exactly what I mean).

      Regarding the DTS Noel, now that I found much, much useful. You're basically making a dress form of yourself and it is very, very useful to have a Second Diddle whom one can dress and decorate. DTS Diddle also allows you to leave your semi-complete work somewhere, and you can drape/draft on the DTS Diddle as you would your own sweet self. In other words, by replicating yourself in a stuffed, duct tape avatar, you can then do the T-shirt technique (or a variation skipping directly to toile) on your alternate you.

      I hope this makes sense. Having done both, I'd recommend making a new DTS Diddle. And T-Gal might like it to keep her company if you're out of the house.
  • Re: Duct tape body block

    Mon, May 4, 2009 - 5:56 PM
    Hi Rydell,

    I have used this method many times for corset patterns, bodice patterns and doublets for the guys. I find that for the most part it works very well for creating a custom fitted pattern.

    The few problems I have run into have stemmed from what follows:

    1) Taped too tight or too loose
    You can not do this on yourself and must rely on another person to wrap the tape per your instructions. If both the taper and the tapee are new to this method, it may take more than one try to get the fit that you want - for a doublet, the taping should be smooth and snug to the body but should not pull the fleshy bits of the body in too much as you would do if you are taping for a corset. (When taping for a corset you want the tape on your body to flatten, lift, pull in and support the bust and other fleshy bits in the exact same way that you want the finished corset to support .) Be sure to tape above and below where you want your finished edges to be so you have plenty of tape to draw on.

    2) Remember to draw in all seams and final edges on the tape while it is still on the body.
    Using a Sharpie marker draw the neckline, seams, openings, bottom edges, armholes, etc in the place that you want them in the finished product. Double check that everything is drawn in before you cut the tape off the body - once the tape is off it is very hard to get it to go back on in the correct position to draw in anything you forgot - BTW, the most common seam to forget to draw in seems to be the shoulder seams.

    3) Don't use all of the taped shirt, use only the best half.
    Since you are drawing free hand on tape wrapped around a person, one side will always look better than the other...choose the side you like best and then use only those pieces to make your paper patterns. Save the other taped side in case you make a serious pattern cutting goof, that way you can "go back to the tape" without having to go thru the whole process again.

    4) After you cut apart the taped shirt pieces, use LOTS of weights (I use food cans of various sizes) to flatten the pieces as much as you can to your pattern paper as you trace around them. It helps to press curved areas down with your hand as you trace. If you don't flatten them sufficiently you may get "shrinkage" in your pattern. NOTE: You will never get the tape pieces perfectly flat but get them as flat as you can. You can tweak things a bit when you clean up your lines

    5) Resist the urge to straighten curved lines!
    The more full the belly or spare tire of the person the taping is done on, the more curved the side seams and front edges of the doublet pattern will be. This is because the person is curved in those places. If you straighten those curves, you will either take away or add to those edges and seams resulting in a fit that is too small in spots or that gaps in places. Just keep the curves and follow them as you sew, they will "disappear" when the garment is put on because the body will fill them out just as it filled out the tape. (NOTE: If you are wanting the doublet to help pull flesh in, then tape those areas as you would for a corset but you can only do so much this way before you hit the point where you just make it too small.)

    6) There are two steps to making the pattern that you will cut and sew from.
    STEP #1
    Cut apart the taped t-shirt and lay those pieces out as flat as you can on paper and trace around them (make sure to hold your pencil upright so as not to undercut the edges of the pieces as you trace around thus making the pattern a bit smaller.) Clean up your lines when done tracing, make any jumpy curves or lines smooth and so on. This is your "base pattern". The lines are the same as what will be the edges of the finished product. DO NOT cut and sew from this it will be too small.

    STEP #2
    Take your Step #1 pattern and lay it out on another piece of pattern paper making sure that you leave enough paper around all of the edges to add your seam allowances. Next, take your seam gage and add all of the seam allowances to the pattern piece. I find it helpful with later fitting to add at least a 1 inch allowance on side and back seams and I always add 2 inches at the closure to be sure there is plenty of fabric to make any adjustment and have the closure edges butt up to each other snuggly. THIS is now the pattern that you can cut and sew from.

    (Yes, you could add the seam allowances directly to the Step #1 pattern, but I have found from experience that those who are new to this method sometimes forget to add a seam allowance to one spot if skipping Step #2 and on occasion there are times when you want to "go back to the paper" such as when using the same pattern to make a different style of doublet in which case you can start from the Step #1 pattern rather than having to tape all over again.)

    I have seen this method used successfully on everyone from small children to very large men and women with good results typically needing little to no alteration - certainly far less than is needed for making a purchased pattern fit a real body!

    TIP:
    When making the doublet, I like to cut the pattern from canvas first, baste that up and fit it to the wearer, make any changes on that canvas - take it apart and use it as the pattern and then the flat lining for the fashion fabric.

    I hope this is helpful,
    Vel
  • Re: Duct tape body block

    Wed, May 13, 2009 - 8:55 AM
    I have found that this method does not really give you an accurate pattern. It is much easier to just drape. It's fast, it's easy, it's accurate. I guess that is why it's been around for so long.
    • Re: Duct tape body block

      Wed, May 13, 2009 - 10:28 AM
      HI Deirdre,

      What problems have you had with taping?

      When you say "I have found that this method does not really give you an accurate pattern." What do you mean?

      I am genuinely interested in what problems you have encountered. I am sure that I have not seen every problem someone might have using the taping method.

      I find myself explaining this method to new cast members often, so if there are potential problems I should be telling them about other than those I have come across myself, it would be helpful to know.

      Thanks,
      Vel
      • Re: Duct tape body block

        Wed, May 13, 2009 - 3:42 PM
        The problems I've had with it arethat the stuffed dummy doesn't compress the same way a body does, so if you're draping a style of clothing that requires corset compression it won't fit the person as comfortably or in te same way as it fits the block.

        Also, for me personally, my weight changes too much to stick to one block.

        I have found it useful when sewing for someone long distance, however. :-)
        • Re: Duct tape body block

          Wed, May 13, 2009 - 4:52 PM
          Although it occurs to me now we may be talking about 2 different things... Are you talking about making a duct-tape body double to drape over? Or making a duct-tape pattern, like for custom boots?

          The body double is the one that doesn't work for me, though I have friends that use it with better success. It seems to work better for men, in general, because they have fewer squishy bits and change weight less frequently.

          The duct-tape pattern works fine with the following things in mind that I have seen gone wrong:
          1. have your undergarments on and tape over them. Taping yourself into the shape you want is harder.
          2. When you cut it apart and make your pattern, don't forget seam allowances
          3. don't forget to add some ease for the layers of clothing you plan on wearing under the garment - i.e. shirt under doublet.
          :-)
          • Re: Duct tape body block

            Thu, May 14, 2009 - 3:55 PM
            HI Alyxx,

            Taping a live body and then making a pattern from the result (like boots) is what I was talking about...

            re: Wearing undergarments and taping over them

            I tend to avoid this as I have seen people forget about the undergarment and cut thru it when the cut off the tape wrap.

            I have found that for women if you start taping at the hip and work your way up over the ribs you can have the tapee reach into the t-shirt and hike "the girls" up where they need to be and hold them there while you tape underneath building up support and then remove the hands and tape over the bust portion to provide the "lifted but flattened" look. You get a nicely fitting corset pattern that can then be adapted for a bodice...since you are squishing the actual "squishy bits" the fit comes out far better than it does draping over a body form - at least it does for me; your mileage may vary.

            Vel

            Vel
            • Re: Duct tape body block

              Thu, May 14, 2009 - 9:09 PM
              Yeah, I have taped over my body but I really like the results better of drafting an effigy style corset. Just my personal taste, though. As long as you stick to molding the body in as straight a line as possible, it shoudl work great.
              • Re: Duct tape body block

                Sun, May 17, 2009 - 3:51 PM
                I've done it for doublets and corsets. Works well for corsets. Not as well for doublets. I have had better luck taking the needed measurements and drawing the patterns free hand.
                • Re: Duct tape body block

                  Sun, May 17, 2009 - 5:01 PM
                  Jason, when tape blocking worked well for you for corsets, were you corseting smaller busted ladies?

                  Reason I ask is:

                  The one time I tried taping me, there was just no taming the monsters. Starting at the hip and taping upward, it went alright until the top of the ribs, then there was no way the tape would go on evenly on both sides, even with me holdng them up. Had I succeeded in taping up the gals, it still would have left me with a pattern for a corset of a much later era, ala victorian hourglass, due to being fitted around the rib and then widening dramatically at the bust.
                  I'd still like to have a stuffed replica me, for fittings and hems and so forth, but I'd need an expert taper to help, since a moderately experienced taper couldn't get it to work.

                  I wonder if there's some trick to it that I'm not getting, or if it's impossible with my Extremely Odd Figure tm.

                  For corsets, I'll stick to drafting, it's much easier to make a cone that way.
                  Having just drafted a doublet with little hassle, I'll stick to that too.
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                    Re: Duct tape body block

                    Tue, June 16, 2009 - 10:00 PM
                    We had the ladies wear a bra they preferred, which helped with the silhouette. This was just for a basic corset pattern, was for beginners. Not a substitute for building a well fit and Elizabethan corset or pair of bodies. We just taped around the circumference of the body, the tape pulling in tight. We then added lines drawn in to suggest placement for seems and boning and placard placement. This was then cut off with surgical scissors, safe to cut close to the skin. Later we cut along seem lines added allowances. It gave the ladies a custom fit pattern which wore well and was comfortable. It gave them the basics for corset building. I learn more every time I help with this. It helped some of knew by memory the seem lines and basic construction of the Elizabethan era corset.
                    • Re: Duct tape body block

                      Wed, June 17, 2009 - 8:36 AM
                      Surely we are talking about completely different garments?

                      I just can't see how taping around a woman's body produces a pattern for a structured garment that holds the torso in a cone shape, roughly. The woman is curvy, the extant bodies are not. If you cut the tape off a woman's torso and add seam lines, you either get a Victorian-style shape, (like an hourglass, give or take, varying from one torso to the next) or you stop strictly at the natural waistline and still have to do some curvy business at the bust. This is a multi-piece pattern with curved seams that is way more complicated than a simple 1-3 piece flat cone of either of the two known corsets or extrapolations thereof...
                      How could this be for beginners?
                      By placard do you mean plackett, as in the place where you lace it up?
                      How did you find the neckline and bustline placement with the modern bra holding the bustline low?
                      Or were these small-busted ladies? (less than a C-ish, or less than 3-4 inches difference between largest bust measurement and average of measuements of over- and under-bust ribcage)


                      Please know that I'm not knocking your methods but genuinely trying to understand what is meant. I do wish to have a duct tape "me" for my own and have been unable to do so even with help, so I'm trying to find out what part of the process I'm missing. I'm just unable to fit your description of this patterning method into my paradigm so far.

                      I'm so confused by this exchange that I declare we need to be posting pictures. The research references, the process, the patterns, the finished garments, anything anybody's got!
                      I'll show you mine if you show me yours!

                      'cuz when you say corset, I think:
                      web.comhem.se/~u31138198/...20corset.jpg
                      www.elizabethancostume.net/cors....html
                      people.tribe.net/3eb55430-...639038cfb9
                      tribes.tribe.net/elizabeth...12ea512989

                      and when you say duct tape tightly aroungd the torso, I think:
                      www.threadsmagazine.com/item/3...-form-2

                      The difference in shape is what's got me confused.


                      • Re: Duct tape body block

                        Fri, June 19, 2009 - 11:00 AM
                        HI Michele,

                        Let me try to resolve some of the confusion here as I think I may have caused some of it:

                        First off, the original post that was made was a question about making a duct tape pattern for a man's doublet and the long note of info on duct taping that I posted was specifically geared towards doublet making not corsets.

                        BUT then we got on the topic of bodices and corsets and I mentioned that you could use the same methods (duct taping a person in a t-shirt) to make a bodice and/or corset pattern but I did not really explain the differences in how you do that very well so I will try to do that now:

                        When making a pattern for a corset using a t-shirt and duct tape you are not simply gently wrapping the body in duct tape as you would if you are using duct gape to make a dress form such as is shown in the photos you posted where the result gives a modern bust position.
                        When making a dress form as shown in those photos the idea is to copy all of the body's natural lumps and bumps in order to get a relatively accurate replica of the body in its natural state on which to make modern clothing.

                        When making a pattern for a period corset, you wear a very snug fitting t-shirt and use the duct tape to shape the body as you wrap it into the preferred tudor-esque smooth, inverted cone shape with the lifted and flattened bust line.

                        Once you have achieved the proper shape with the tape, you have essentially built a tape corset on your body that is holding your lumps and bumps in where you want them to stay. If you replicate this shape in a sturdy fabric such as canvas with boning the resulting garment will hold the body in the same shape that the tape did (i.e. that cone shape).

                        Before you cut it off, draw on the tape the outlines of what you want the finished neckline , straps, etc to look like. Then add your seam lines.

                        Cut the taped t-shirt off the body and cut it apart on the outlines and seams lines. These pieces will be the start of your pattern.

                        Take the cut apart pieces and lay them out on paper flattening them out as much as possible and weight them down with canned goods or sewing weights. Trace around them being careful to hold your pencil straight up so as not to undercut the edges as you trace.

                        Take away the taped pieces and look at the tracings.

                        HERE is where things get different between corset pattern making and doublet pattern making:

                        Unlike my suggestion for the doublet, with a corset pattern you DO want to straighten any curved lines and seams since with a corset you want to shape any lumps and bumps to your will rather than accommodate them (such as one would do with a large belly in a doublet).

                        Use a ruler or other straight edge to straighten out any curvy lines. When in doubt, it is generally better to draw a straight line that subtracts rather than adds. If you simply go to the point of the largest bump and draw a line down from that, you will be adding to the size and that will cause large empty voids in the corset when you put it on.

                        NOTE: IF a line is especially curvy, as can be the case with a large busted lady, it is often best to "split the difference" between the high point and the low point of the curvy line and draw a straight line that falls between the two - you will have to eye ball this.

                        Once you have your lines straightened up, cut out those pieces. This is now your "base pattern" it has no seam allowances but the pieces are all the shape that you want them to be.

                        Next, lay those base pattern pieces on paper, trace around them and then add whatever seam allowances you wish as well as any other pattern markings for grainlines, bone placement, etc. Cut these pieces out. This is now your cutting and sewing pattern.

                        OR you can simply compare these pieces to a ready made pattern you wish to use to see how much alteration will need to be made to the ready made pattern in order to get it to fit you right - If you plan to use the duct tape pattern for this type of comparison, I recommend that you use the pieces from your ready made pattern as a guide to draw matching shaped pieces on your duct tape so that you can compare "apples to apples".

                        People like to assemble their corsets in different ways, I most often use two layers of canvas (with the second layer turned 90 degrees so that any "give" in the fabric layers oppose each other and prevent unwanted stretching), mark and sew boning channels, insert the bones and then bind the edges with bias tape. I may or may not add a third layer of nice fashion fabric on the outside.

                        You can use this method to make any shape corset you want - what shape the corset holds you in is determined by how you shape yourself with the tape when wrapping.

                        Try thinking about it this way: If you have every seen or used the Custom Corset Pattern Generator at www.elizabethancostume.net/cust...html, that takes a handful of measurements and gives you plot points that you use to "connect the dots" to draw out a pattern on paper for a corset, the t-shirt and duct tape method is essentially a 3D version of the same idea. With the t-shirt and duct tape method you get many more plot points, most of which are already connected in the correct way and you just need to clean up the bits that aren't perfect. It's a lot easier to understand when you do it than it is to try to write/read about it.

                        I'll see if I can dig up some pix, but all of the corsets I have made this way essentially look like the pix you posted of your own corset and do shape the body into the desired cone.

                        IIRC, there is a ren clothes website out there somewhere where the seamstress used the duct tape method to create a nice effigy corset.

                        I hope this has been helpful,

                        Vel
                        • Re: Duct tape body block

                          Fri, June 19, 2009 - 3:09 PM
                          Aha!
                          Thank you Vel. I can start to form a mental image that the patterning you're describing is indeed different than I had imagined.
                          It makes a bit more sense now.
                          Part of my mental block on the subject comes from my personal experience as an Extremely Odd Figure tm.
                          My rib and bust measurements are different by 10 inches.
                          I imagine the taping method would go easier on ladies with a more reasonable bust than on me. ;)
                          I have used the corset pattern generator many times, and generally end up tweaking the resulting pattern for various reasons.
                          I think I will continue to draft, as it just seems like so much less labor...
                          Thanks for your clarifying post.
      • Re: Duct tape body block

        Mon, May 18, 2009 - 1:39 PM
        I have found that the extra bulk of a t shirt and the crease issues with tape adds extra things that aren't there.

        To me, it is TONS easier to just drape one piece of muslin on your body, pin, mark and cut. One thin piece of material, no creases, no added bulk and it molds to your body.
        • Re: Duct tape body block

          Thu, May 21, 2009 - 8:42 PM
          HI Deirdre,

          Okay, yes, I have found that too - so now whenever I do a taping, I have the tapee wear the tightest t-shirt they can get into so that there are no "added bits" caused by t-shirt bunching and wrinkling...that solves the problem most of the time.

          Vel
  • Re: Duct tape body block

    Thu, May 21, 2009 - 10:32 AM
    I prefer using Paper tape as the venue to make my Body Doubles you can do this in 4 hours, you don't have to use stuffing and you can use your pins without residue on them. You need to pay attention to your breast area first make sure you have sharp scissors and you cut to shape and it will work very well for you!


    CIlean
    • Re: Duct tape body block

      Thu, May 21, 2009 - 12:08 PM
      I still had problems with my brown paper tape form with regards to pins. Unless I used my big quilt pins and shoved them in, they won't go in well, and the paper tape still had enough sticky residue to cause issues afterwards. But it does make a nice body double in short time, and no stuffing required.

      I still prefer my new foam double.
  • Re: Duct tape body block

    Thu, May 28, 2009 - 10:25 AM
    I just made one up yesterday with the help of a neighbor. But of course I only read this thread today . . .

    I did it to get a basic idea of my shape for a doublet pattern. The tape was wound over an ordinary shirt with the collar turned up so the tape would also record the shape and placement of the collar pieces (for a collar attached to the doublet back). Neither of us had any experience so the tape is very wrinkled. It is also very tight, more so than an actual garment would be, on account of the tape being would tightly against the body.

    When the taping was completed, we drew the basic seams (center front, sides, shoulders and collar) and cut along those lines, giving a rough idea of the basic doublet forms. We did not draw the waist, which in retrospect was a mistake. But this can be taken into account when the pattern is actually drafted.

    The result is a pattern which gives only a basic idea of the size the finished pattern should conform to. It is very wrinkley so the advice given here to flatten it out with weights is well taken! The pieces will be laid out on brown paper, traced and then adjusted to the next stage, the preliminary doublet mockup.

    The tracing will at best only give a basic idea of pattern size - in other words, no smaller. It also gives a helpful sense of where the collar should be, your shoulders and so on. The location of the side seams, shape of the center front and height of the collar can all be adjusted to suit the period of the garment and its particular style.

    Only one of the front pieces will guide the actual pattern, and this is duplicated twice so they match completely. Likewise, the back pattern is folded so it can be traced for a completely even shape. There is no way the marking pen on duct tape can get this right, this is only possible when working on brown paper after the duct tape stage.

    I was advised by an eminent British authority to look only to original garments, and to follow as best as possible original methods of pattern drafting. So the pattern will be my clumsy attempt to explore this method, using tailor's books and Arnold for reference. The basic forms provided by the duct tape block I hope will be helpful getting there!

    H

    • Re: Duct tape body block

      Thu, May 28, 2009 - 12:58 PM
      Just because we're here, let me mention that the doublet in Margo Anderson's Elilzabethan Gentleman's Wardrobe is of the type that has the back part of the collar integral with the doublet back, based on a doublet in Janet Arnold PoF3. It is a Pain In The Butt, and she doesn't offer an alternative (it's not the only doublet style they used!). But if you have access to that pattern, and you're interested in that particular constructoon style, it might be of some use to you. (I recommend assembling the collar/shoulders by hand; that is, not on a machine.)

      www.margospatterns.com/
      • Re: Duct tape body block

        Thu, May 28, 2009 - 3:17 PM
        Thanks for the heads up! Do you know what the MA pattern is based on? The back seams suggest the 1600-05 suit in Arnold on page 74, but I'm not sure.

        My project goal is a mid 1570s doublet valued at 10s 6d worn by someone with an annual income of about 25-35 pounds. A nice dent in the monthly budget. Its drawn on the earlier examples in Arnold, specifically the 1562 Don Garzia doublet which seems closest to mid level English clothes for the next decade or so - the Cosimo doublet is too fashionable.

        I traced the duct tape patterns onto brown paper today and began to adjust the forms. Modifying the duct tape pattern was fairly straightforward - but no fear, a whole new series of things will need to be corrected when the cloth mockup is made and fitted.

        Your caution on collar construction is well taken, and Scott in Washington's blog has been helpful in showing the experience as well - thanks Scott! I've never done anything like this before so it will be wild.

        Duct tape aside, I'm attempting to make it as close as possible to original methods, mostly to get a basic sense of what it was like. This means all period materials and hand sewing with waxed line thread, etc. I'll write when back from the looney bin.





        • Re: Duct tape body block

          Thu, May 28, 2009 - 8:17 PM
          As far as I know, Margo's pattern is based on the one you mention. For more details, you can always write her directly. She worked Northern Faire back in the day, and is "one of us". :-)
          • Re: Duct tape body block

            Sat, May 30, 2009 - 1:48 PM
            Good to know - just in case!

            The duct tape seems to have a practical value in giving full size mockups of the neck collar pieces. This is very comforting. When the back panel is finalized along with the official side panel, then the side collar piece that fits can be adjusted and we are set.

            Still experimenting with doublet body forms, now trying one based on the ca. 1560 leather jerkin as well.

            Maybe here is another value in the duct tape pattern - instead of freshly tracing out every form from Arnold or whatever, scaling it up, etc., the duct tape body pattern allows simple modifications for various types of garment styles.

            Thanks again, Maggie.

            H
            • Re: Duct tape body block

              Sat, May 30, 2009 - 10:25 PM
              Draping directly onto a body also allows for easy mods for each type, which is why I am learning to do that. Just need to fine tune it for better fit.
              • Re: Duct tape body block

                Mon, June 1, 2009 - 2:21 PM
                Working directly on the body would be ideal. Kimiko, I hope you are having a good time in the learning process.

                My own situation is more like that Darcien describes, as I am working independently. There is someone who can help about an hour's drive away, but I don't want to annoy her too much! I'm hoping to get as much as possible done here before taking the mockups to her for the final fitting.

                Turning the duct tape pattern into a form is an excellent idea, thanks Darcien. This would allow some fitting here where necessary. Duct tape really is good stuff.

                H
                • Re: Duct tape body block

                  Mon, June 1, 2009 - 3:01 PM
                  I also work independently. I have one local friend who helps when time allows (not often), so most of my work now is on a Uniquely You dress form (a squishable foam form that has been shaped to replicate my body by its fabric cover). My fitting before I got this form was horrid, as it is hard to fit oneself, even with an extra pair of hands from my husband now and then. So I understand where you are coming from.
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                    Re: Duct tape body block

                    Tue, June 2, 2009 - 5:55 PM
                    It's impressive that you can do your quality work independently. This gives great hope.

                    The humbling thing about all this is the attempt to replicate the work of professional tailors, with their years of experience and a body of knowledge unimaginable to us. Its challenging enough to do a middle level set of clothes, and everyone working with upper level (and all levels for that matter) has my respect.

                    Thanks for the UY form, it sounds very practical. Right now I'm saving money for some replica russet fabric to come from England.

                    Cheers,
                    H
        • Re: Duct tape body block

          Sun, May 31, 2009 - 1:29 PM
          If you are making a dress dummy (instead of cutting and using as garment patterns) you may find packing tape easier to wield and less destructive to your pins when pinning garment pieces to the dress dummy. Duct tape gums up the pins more so than clear packing tape.
      • Re: Duct tape body block

        Thu, June 4, 2009 - 3:39 PM
        I agree with Maggie. The all-in-one doublet collar is a PITAx10. But don't blame Margo or even Janet, I blame Alcega, because when I did it it's because I found it there... You can read a bit about my struggles with the darned thing at my oft-neglected costuming blog if you're curious. It took a lot of tinkering and handsewing to finally get it right.
        garb4guys.blogspot.com/2008/0...ux.html

        I finally figured it out when I noticed that in Alcega's pattern book, the sides of each collar piece (including the piece that is in-one with the back) are not square. Cutting them closer to Alcega's drawings took care of most of the issues and left just a slight buckling at the base of the neck.

        I doubt I'll be using this style pattern again. It was just too much of a pain to deal with when the other pattern if perfectly acceptable.
        • Re: Duct tape body block

          Thu, June 4, 2009 - 4:11 PM
          I must be the odd one on the all-in-one collar. I did it for my husband's doublet, and found it little different from the regular collar. But it's been so many years that I don't recall why it wasn't a problem for me. You can see part of what I did here:
          www.kimiko1.com/dressdiari.../index.html
          The pattern is my own, and based on a now out of print book on Elizabethan doublets, which in turn had been based on Alcega's work. I think the author's work was mostly on how to translate Alcega into modern personal sizing.

          I still have yet to finish the eyelets on his sleeves. Doesn't matter much since he doesn't wear it, but I keep thinking they would work well for me if I ever was to make a woman's doublet.
          • Re: Duct tape body block

            Thu, June 4, 2009 - 4:47 PM
            Wow, thats right on. Its a lot like the Reigate example, too, same principle. Thanks for posting that!

            I see a trick that I hope works on mine. Your shoulder seams are slightly to the back, rather on top, and this seems to help the collar curve up in a straight form. As my patterns come together I'll keep an eye on the shoulder seam placement, to see if the period position will work as well.

            Thanks!

            H
            • Re: Duct tape body block

              Thu, June 4, 2009 - 7:05 PM
              Glad it helps. I need to hunt that old book out, and take a look at it again, to get ideas for the collar I need in a lady's bodice. I hadn't realized at the time a lot of things (it was some years ago, nearly 10 now I think), so I think re-reading the book would help my own understanding a lot more. That doublet was created before I paid much attention to actual historical garments and attendant research.
              • Re: Duct tape body block

                Sun, June 7, 2009 - 10:55 AM
                I posted two details from the Reigate doublet report in my photos section for you. One shows the internal collar lining, the other the location of piped seams. I hope they are helpful for you.
        • Re: Duct tape body block

          Thu, June 4, 2009 - 4:41 PM
          The curve to the collar seam is exactly right - its the trick to making it work. The curve is shown in the Algena and de Freyle patterns, also several examples in Arnold.

          The curves pull in the material which keep it tight. I haven't started that part yet so it's all still theory, however . . .

          The collar type appears to have been common among garments at all levels. Arnold shows high end examples, while I have been corresponding with the conservator of a low end example, the Reigate doublet, who was kind enough to send me relevant pages of her report.

          The Reigate doublet was made of heavy linen in the early 17th c. It was found stuffed in a chimney where it was discarded after years of use and repair. It's high collar is curved slightly at the sides, reenforced with pad stitched linen sewn onto the interlining, which extends below the collar slightly. The side collar pieces are reenforced with three separate layers of coarse linen, pad stitched and sewn into the side seams of the collar. The lining is then attached to the whole.

          The Reigate doublet is trimmed with piping along some seams of the same linen as the doublet itself, cut on a bias. On the shoulders, it extends along the shoulder seams up the side of the collar. It also extends around the base of the collar, the top of the collar and the arms eyes, but not the edges of the wings. It is not used on the front opening and I do not know about the side body seams or tabs below.

          It is the only original example I've seen using piping, and it may serve a functional purpose in reenforcing the collar as much as decorative.

          The rough material and use of fabric - the sleeves and one of the four waist tabs are lined in a separate type of linen when its tailor ran out of the intended linen - indicate an economic yet reasonably well made garment. It has an attached collar, and nicely done thread buttons over a solid core, with a woven pattern.

          That, and the early examples in Arnold, kind of make it a challenge to build mine with an attached collar. More to report when my senses return.

          H

    • Re: Duct tape body block

      Sun, May 31, 2009 - 1:27 PM
      Actually, I think you may find that the clothing either comes out the exact size or a 1/2in bigger. The shirt and tape actually do take up room and add to the measuremets. Although it may be noted that I have used my dress dummies exclusively with corset based designs and therefore don't know how all the other dress designs will take to this method (packing tape dress dummies).
  • Re: Duct tape body block

    Sun, May 31, 2009 - 1:20 PM
    I have been making duct/packing tape mummies for about 12years. I find that after wrapping my victim in packing tape (preferred to duct tape) that a quick run of the scissors up the back along the spine, and a resealing of the split, plus stuffing with sewing cabbage or old sheets and such makes a great dress dummy that is perfect for customizing a costume for the victim. Because I don't have anyone that can help me with fitting, this was my solution and it worked so well that I make dress dummies for anyone I make costumes for will a perfect fit each time.
    • Re: Duct tape body block

      Tue, June 23, 2009 - 6:18 PM
      Last week I finished the paper doublet patterns and tried a cloth version. Both made from the duct tape patern.

      The test doublet pattern fit like a charm. In fact it was disarmingly good. A friend took a look, and her opinion was that the back was excellent, and the only fitting was adjusting the seams at the neck.

      The paper pattern was adjusted to reflect stylistic details of specific doublet patterns in Arnold, as appropriate to the 1570s period of the reconstructed doublet. It was remarkable to see how several elements and proportions came about automatically.

      In other words, from duct tape pattern, to paper pattern, to cloth pattern. Three steps, not bad.

      Now to get the fabric and build it.

      H

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