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I'd like to make use of the many felt and straw blanks I have. Were blocked hats (NOT fabric covered) period for upper class/nobility???
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Sun, May 17, 2009 - 10:38 PMI don't know. You tell me.
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Tue, May 19, 2009 - 5:23 PMand that's an awesome picture of the dudes at the table!
A bit ot, but check out that one guy's stack-pleated ruff! That just flies in the face of both the big cartridge pleat method and the gathers sandwich method. I like it.
Seems like at least one of those hats is covered either in a swirly fabric or some swirly cord-couching or embroidery. Very chic. -
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Tue, May 19, 2009 - 5:46 PMOn the ruff, as Noel might say it supports the gathered method, as it only takes final shape once it is set, and that can be changed every time it is set.
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Tue, May 19, 2009 - 7:17 PMThanks for the images, Rydell! I asked Lynn McMasters who said blocked felt was worn - she also sent me the 2nd image you provided as evidence. What I've seen and read about, though, is mostly felt as a sturdy underlayer for silks and velvets applied on top. I've blocked a tall hat and not covered it and now want to block something with more swing to it, like something shorter with a cute angle. Think I'll do it anyway and see where it gets me!
Thanks, y'all!
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Mon, May 18, 2009 - 7:52 AMI was given to understand when discusse this in an earlier thread, that blocked hats are way period and way underrepresented in current portrayals.
I want one, but blocking hats is a few rungs up on my milinery skills ladder. I'm still at the covering a form with fabric and cartridge pleating a bonnet stage.
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Tue, May 19, 2009 - 4:51 PMFelt hats seems to have survived according to Arnold/PoF, although I don't know enough on historical millinery to know if they blocked them like we do today. But I have seen a number of images of the upper classes wearing what appear to be felted hats. Ok, reading further, it seems that felted shaped hats were often used as foundations, with silk, velvet or other finer outer fabrics (some embroidered), and linen or silk linings used. Quite a variety of hat styles from what few I see in the book. -
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Wed, May 20, 2009 - 5:55 AMKimko I thought that wool played a huge part in the hatters products. I cannot put my finger on the page but I remember something about wool being a requirement in hat wear. Designed to help the wool industry in england. I guess much like eatting fish on Friday was designed to help the fishing industry. Was there a felt industry in England? -
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Wed, May 20, 2009 - 11:16 AMThere was a huge wool industry, from raising sheep to exporting various wool products, and yes, that requirement to wear wool hats is something I recall as well, but would have to look up to know for sure. -
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Thu, May 21, 2009 - 1:22 PMOk, wool hats...but does that mean blocked wool not covered by other fabric? Does that mean wool yardage made into hats? Fascinating...anyone have a reference? -
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Thu, May 21, 2009 - 1:45 PMA fragment of the statute that I could find poking around on line says "a cap of wool knit and dressed in England" -
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Thu, May 21, 2009 - 1:53 PMIt's a law established in 1571.
Though here it appears that gentry and above were exempt:
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Thu, May 21, 2009 - 11:24 PMThe requisite section of Ry's most excellent link...
"The best caps were formerly made at Monmouth ; but, on the occasion of a great plague happening in that town, the trade was removed to Hewdley in Worcestershire, yet so that they are called Monmtmtfi Cups unto this day."—Fuller e Worthies. In order to promote the use of woollen caps, it was enacted, in 1565, that no man under the degree of a knight, should wear any hat or cap of velvet, under a penalty of ten shillings ; and, in 1670, a further law was passed, that every person above the age of seven years should wear, upon the Sabbath and holydays, a cap of wool knit, made in England, on pain of forfeiting daily three shillings and four pence, (excepts maids, ladies, lords, knights, gentlemen, mayors of cities, &c., and the wardens of the Companies of London.) This provision continued in force till 1597." -
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Thu, May 21, 2009 - 11:27 PMRe-reading that, there appears to be a typo: "and, in 1670, a further law was passed..." that would be 1570 else the repeal in 1597 would imply the intervention of a chap in a TARDIS. -
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Fri, May 22, 2009 - 5:47 AMThank you for refreshing my reference on this Scott! :)
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Fri, May 22, 2009 - 5:49 AMBut, the question is still out there. Where is felt produced at this time? Was felt known by another name? Who would make this product? -
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Fri, May 22, 2009 - 1:39 PMwww.mafca.com/downloads/F...elt_Hats.pdf
www.thehatsite.com/felt.html
www.sefelt.com/history.htm
www.historicenterprises.com/cart.php
www.whiteoak.org/learning/furhat.htm
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1550...in_fashion
"a conical felt hat with a rounded crown called a capotain or copotain became fashionable. These became very tall toward the end of century."
These and others indicate to me that felt was made everywhere, including England - and had been forever. -
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Fri, May 22, 2009 - 3:33 PMThanks for the links Ry. It seem that the hatters would produce their own felts.
The whiteoak reference is particularly interesting to me. As a young lad I used to trap muskrat and mink (fox was an awful lot of work) to provide me with money. I never went beyond the "parchment" stage with the furs. A good muskrat pelt would bring $2.50 while a high quality mink would fetch up to $15.00. -
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Sun, May 31, 2009 - 11:51 AMFeltmakers are among the "sciences, crafts, mysteries or arts" governed by the Statue of Artificers of 1563.
tinyurl.com/statute-artificers
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Fri, May 22, 2009 - 3:28 PMFelt is what happens to wool when you add hot water and friction (usually aided by soap). It can happen on the sheep, or whenever the wool is worked. I've done it accidentally when dyeing wool. From the reading I did last night, it was known as felt during that time, and was considered as part and parcel of the overall "wool industry" that England was well known for (wool was England's main export). If a woven garment was felted after weaving, it is known as "fulling". Again what I read up last night, England was known for heavily fulled wools, which were so thickly fulled that garments made from it did not need seam finishes, like we often need to do with today's wools other than heavy coat wool.
England was not the only country that made felt. Spanish and Dutch also made felt (merino wool originally comes from Spain, iirc). Reading in "Costume in the Drama of Shakespeare..." by Linthicum, the author mentions that Stowe wrote about the making of Spanish felts in England in the first part of Henry VIII's reign. But this author says this is hard to reconcile it with Lydgate's mention of "fyne felt hats" (no date of that comment given). Linthicum mentions that felt is the usual material for the "sugar loaf" aka capotain hats. And that felt was the base for other hats which were faced or lined in silk or velvet (footnote leads to Durham Wills, Surrey Rec. Soc. Pub. xiv, and other Letters), like was shown in Arnold's PoF.
I've long wondered if their mention of Spanish wools, which was the finest wool available, is the same or similar to modern merino wool. I don't know much about wools beyond what I learned in my spinning attempts some years ago. -
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Fri, May 22, 2009 - 3:36 PMThank you for the additional insight Kimiko! -
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Fri, May 22, 2009 - 9:29 PMWow! SOOOO much info from everyone! So, I can go ahead and block some hats for nobles, just not so many and they must be preeeeeetty and not look lowly, yes? Hoorah - there's life for my hat blocks yet! Thanks everyone!
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Mon, June 1, 2009 - 2:09 PMA felt hat in the will of William Crouge of Blakesley, 26 August 1571:
"Item I bequeath to Mr Stafferton a pair of black hose, a leather jerkin with long cutts and my best canvas doublet
"Item I bequeath to Mr Thomas Watts of Norton my marble riding cloak and to Mr George Watts I bequeath a yellow satin doublet and a new felt hat which lieth in my chest
"Item I bequeath to Lewes Bunney [?] a pair of leather hose dressed with yellow satin, a fustian doublet and a leather jerkin"
Mr. Crouge appears to be a middle class man with fairly good and prudent taste. No doubt his new felt hat would have been just as soundly considered when he purchased it.
Its not upper class, but I hope it helps,
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Tue, June 2, 2009 - 10:06 AMI wonder if afterwards, Master Watts traded the new hat to goodman Bunney for the leather hose dressed with yellow satin, to go with the yellow satin doublet! -
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Tue, June 2, 2009 - 5:40 PMI have no idea, but I wondered about that too.
In wills, suits of apparel are usually kept together, at least as far as I've seen. In this case, it almost looks as if the two were made independent of each other. It might make sense if the satin doublet was the work of a tailor, and the hose from a leather worker. The satin might be the same, though, for there are several accounts that indicate people bought fabric in advance of commissioning garments made from them.
The thing about this will and several others is the way an individual built up their wardrobe. In this case, Mr. Crough invested his money in a very prudent set of clothes that would allow him the maximum use for his return.
Everything appears to be carefully chosen, almost a "mix n' match" manner. The colors are all fairly neutral. We could imagine the felt hat in black, although we have no evidence in this case.
The more I see of wills and similar documents, the more impressive the period gets.
Now for the free for all. I'll up you one satin doublet for that new felt hat.
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Tue, June 2, 2009 - 10:44 PMIn portraits of gentry and nobility, hats of all kinds are nearly universally black. -
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Wed, June 3, 2009 - 12:01 AMYes, gravitas on the head, exactly. And a black felt hat would be a wise choice for Mr. Crough, as he could wear it with all of his clothes.
There seem to be very few exceptions to black hats, at least in regards to quality hats. Francis Drake wore a red velvet cap during his circumnavigation, snatched off his head by natives in Patagonia in late 1578. But a portrait of him made shortly after the voyage shows him wisely holding a black velvet cap, despite his new red suit.
Another red hat, maybe pleated silk, is in the Hoefnagle "Fete" painting, a grey one is in a Hilliard Miniature, and a Dutch winter skating scene of 1608 shows a lone tawny color felt hat in a sea of black hats - thats about it.
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Wed, June 3, 2009 - 8:53 AMHoward, you (and the rest) may find some documents list here to be interesting:
www.sp12.hull.ac.uk/
It's a portal to all this. (I don't know if wills are included because I haven't completely rensacked the links, but you never know.)
Documents
from TNA SP/12 State Papers Domestic Elizabeth
Digital images and transcriptions
from CSPDE Calendar of State Papers Domestic Elizabeth
Digital Images
from British Library Lansdowne Mss
Some transcriptions
from The Cecil Papers at Hatfield House
Some Transcriptions
from Hull City Archives
Some Transcriptions
from TNA STAC 5 Court of Star Chamber Elizabeth
A start of an index and some transcations
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Thu, June 4, 2009 - 4:50 PMMaggie, interesting indeed, thank you very much! There is nothing like the original sources.
Already I see a dispute involving one of the companies trading with Russia and the Baltic. Goods, amounts and locations of trade are mentioned, capitol.
Thanks again, thats tops.
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Mon, June 8, 2009 - 9:52 AMTotally forgot about this one. Excerpted from a list of clothing worn by William Lombard, a properous Kent man in May 1597.
" . . a Turkie grosgrain dublet and hose, a Venetian hose of like stuffe, a canvas dublet striped, a back clothe gowne faced with connye, two black felte hattes . . ."
So here the felt hats are clearly black, and he has two of them. He also seems to have expensive taste.
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