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Can folks send me their online or brick-and-morter (SF Bay Area) resources for plastic hoop wire? I bought some stuff from Lacis that is too flimsy and absolutely doesn't hold up to even a broadcloth farthingale. I like the linen covered metal, but the client wants plastic. Help!
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Re: Hoop wire
Fri, June 12, 2009 - 9:49 PMPlastic? For hoop wire? I wouldn't trust plastic that doesn't have metal underneath to not collapse. I don't even know of any online stores that sell it. Farthingales has steel that is coated that I really like.
Only suggestion I have for plastic, is tubing at the hardware store. The brass nibs that fit them can act as connectors. I've not used them, but have heard many folk suggest it over the years. -
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Fri, June 12, 2009 - 9:51 PMOr do you mean plastic-covered metal? -
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Sat, June 13, 2009 - 9:06 AMNope, I mean plastic hoop wire. You know, like on the commercial bridal nylon hoop skirts you can buy with flounces and lace. They seem to hold up ok. -
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Sun, June 14, 2009 - 1:12 PMMaybe she should just buy a cheap nylon hoop skirt and cannibalize it for the hoops... or just use it as is. -
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Mon, June 15, 2009 - 12:46 PMOK, we have not asked the bottom line question: WHY do they want plastic hoops? -
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Tue, June 16, 2009 - 8:45 AMUmmmm... airport metal detectors? -
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Tue, June 16, 2009 - 1:09 PMJust have to wear them on the plane, then. -
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Mon, July 6, 2009 - 4:59 PMCan't imagine it, even in first class... Heck, in coach I barely fit in an airplane seat comfortably wearing modern chinos and I'm a skinny bug.
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Sun, June 14, 2009 - 4:06 PMDepends on how heavy the fabric is over the hoop. I've seen them collapse under velvets too many times to count. Wedding fabrics? Usually not a problem.
I've only felt them when I wandered the LA garment district, I've not seen what they look like.
Hmmm... I just looked up Richard the Thread, and found they have plastic covered hoop wire. Maybe that's what it is?
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Sun, June 14, 2009 - 4:59 PMNope, that's what I thought, too, but apparently not.
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Mon, June 15, 2009 - 9:32 PMUnless the client is going to have the lightest of tafetta skirts, plastic hoops will not hold their shape. -
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Tue, June 16, 2009 - 12:40 AMK, got it. She wanted something very lightweight and that would fold easily into a suitcase. I know my cheapo hoops will do this and hadn't experimented with the linen-covered wire yet - I've now folded them up a couple of times and yay, they will bend. So, thanks, anyway, all! -
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Tue, June 16, 2009 - 12:13 PMI was going to say that mine fold fine and there are times the client just needs to listen to their designer unless there is a concrete reason WHY. *sigh* "Sorry, I will not make anything that will make you look ugly and the target of ridicule." -
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Tue, June 16, 2009 - 1:10 PMYeah, me too. I haven't had reason to in quite a while, but I never had any problem. Grab, twist, flatten and tie up with scraps or with zip ties -
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Mon, June 29, 2009 - 12:14 PMOk, so I used the linen-covered metal hoop wire and they do, indeed, fold up ok if you need to. But I wonder how others are getting the 1/2" metal boning tips to adhere to the ends of the hoop wire. I used multiple plyers, but the tips aren't as secure as when I clasp them onto spiral boning. Any ideas??? -
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Mon, June 29, 2009 - 1:43 PMThe tip I was given for when you have to cut down the spring steel bones is to then trim the corners as well and use tool dip on the ends
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Tue, June 30, 2009 - 11:10 PMI swear a lot. Seems to help. ;-) -
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Wed, July 1, 2009 - 11:24 AMReally?? Does NObody have a solution for these tips that keep falling off?! Why on earth haven't we come up with something more reliable?! -
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Wed, July 1, 2009 - 11:39 AMIf the hoop wire has plastic coating, you can heat the tips once they're attached to "melt" them on. -
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Wed, July 1, 2009 - 2:29 PMI've not dealt with them yet.. can you epoxy them on?
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Wed, July 1, 2009 - 3:47 PMI don't have suggestions, as I've yet to use the tips on anything other than on spiral steel. I also hate the linen wrapped wire since it won't support much weight. I prefer to work with spring steel... which I smooth the edges into a round end, then dip into tool dip a couple of times.
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Thu, July 2, 2009 - 2:09 PMIs this for a farthingale or hoop wire used as boning?
If I need to tip the ends to use as boning, I'll use epoxy or Gorilla Glue then fit the tip onto the end with pliers.
If I need to join the ends for a hoop slip, I've never found anything that works as well as the Hoop Connectors from Farthingales - about halfway down the page here: www.farthingales.on.ca/hoopst...#prices
And just a note about preferences, I don't use hoop wire as boning because even if it's plastic coated, the steel ends under the tips will rust from sweat & washing. -
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Thu, July 2, 2009 - 2:34 PMCrazy Glue. never had any problems with it in the 21+ years that I have been doing costumes professionally. -
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Fri, July 3, 2009 - 2:56 PMWow, INteresting responses. Crazy glue?? On the blunt-cut ends of linen-covered steel hoopwire? I MUST try that. Is there a picture of the hoop ends from Farthingales anywhere? Bought hoope wire joiners from Lacis, www.lacis.com/catalog/search.php, but haven't tried them yet. Thought I'd have to cover the ends first...with the tips that fall off (...this is the house that Jack built!). -
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Mon, July 6, 2009 - 11:21 AMYeah, the link I posted shows a pic of the connectors about halfway down the page. It looks a little different than the lacis one but looks like it functions about the same - stuff both ends in until they touch then crimp down the whole thing to hold.
You don't tip the wire to use the connectors - use one or the other but not both.
If you're using the linen covered hoop wire, there's nothing you can do to prevent eventual rust so don't worry about sealing the cut ends of that. :-) -
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Mon, July 6, 2009 - 12:36 PM"If you're using the linen covered hoop wire, there's nothing you can do to prevent eventual rust so don't worry about sealing the cut ends of that. :-)"
Although as I recall, it will help keep the cut ends from poking through the channels. -
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Tue, July 7, 2009 - 12:56 PMSure.
You should use the metal U-shaped tips if you're going to put it in channels like boning, and you should use the bar connectors if you're going to use it in a circle for a farthingale.
But earlier discussion was also covering linen vs plastic covered wire, and I brought up the rust issue for linen. If you use plastic covered wire, it will still rust at the cut ends, even under the tips or bars unless you seal it with something.
Sorry I wasn't clearer about which problem I was making suggestions for. LOL! -
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Tue, July 7, 2009 - 5:46 PMWith the plastic-covered hoop wire, I poked holes in the ends, overlapped them and sewed them with upholstery thread. When the farthingale needs a bath, I take them out and put them back when it's dry. Hopefully that will minimize rusting.
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Wed, July 8, 2009 - 9:09 AMAlyxx,
I don't understand the difference between: "channels like boning" and "circle for a farthingale." How else would you get the boning into a cone-shaped garment than to attach tape on top of the finished garment over all seams?? Confused...
On my farthingale, I used linen-covered steel hoop wire and stitched them together, as mentioned by someone else (sorry...forgot the name!). I didn't want to do that to a client's garment as I want her to do as little as possible to pull out the hoops in order to launder. Hence, the clampy things to hold the hoops together would also cause problems, no?
For my client's farthingale, I ended up using U-shaped tips and shoving them into the channels with a huge overlap. The linen covering the metal wire has enough "grab" to keep them relatively in place against the cotton farthingale. In this way, she should be able to pull the hoops out and shove them back in with ease when she washes it...I hope, I hope, I hope. -
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Fri, July 10, 2009 - 3:31 PMI meant that if you were going to use hoop wire as boning in a bodice or something, you'd use the u-tips, but if you were going to use it as a hoop in a farthingale, I prefer the bar connectors.
Your method works fine, too as long as the overlap within the channel is long enough so you really still get a circle and not an egg shape. I just prefer the bar connectors because they stay securely and don't shift circumference on you.
I had a farthingale a long time ago with exactly your method and I was still able to throw it in the washing machine, hoops & all. It did rust a little bit but it doesn't show anyway so I didn't care. -
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Tue, July 14, 2009 - 3:28 PMWow, you got the linen covered spring steel hoops into a washing machine? You just doubled the hoops over, eh? Quite an accomplishment. Thanks for all of your input. It remains to be seen if the client's hoop collapses on itself...will see at faire, I suppose.
Thanks to all!
Carol
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