Research - Is there any going on?

topic posted Wed, January 24, 2007 - 4:02 AM by  Christina
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Hi all,
I know that some of you are far more clued-up and aware of the ins-and-outs of Engelmann's and any research that is being/has been done into it and I was wondering if there is currently anyone continuing to study the condition, or is it dead in the water?
I know that the gene responsible for Engelmann's has been identified and thats great,but is anyone actually using this information to try to find ways of helping us out?
I am going through a really bad patch again at the moment and I feel useless that I cannot do anything to help myself, or any of you! Its so bloody frustrating and unfair!!
I have seem my GP and a Rheumatologist in the past week, both of whom seem to think that "Its just your engelmann's flaring up again" is an adequate response! I am also limited as to what I can take for pain-control now due to bad reactions in the past and so I am struggling to manage with just paracetamol and ibuprofen!
If I could afford to fund research myself then I would!

Apologetically yours (for moaning),

Chris. xxx

welshangel1980@btinternet.com
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  • Re: Research - Is there any going on?

    Fri, January 26, 2007 - 9:29 PM
    Dear Chris,

    I totally hear you! I too get sooo frustrated when the doctors I go to for extreme pain just brush me aside and tell me there is nothing they can do. They also give me the distinct impression that they don't want to look into it, or learn more about the disease, so that they could do something for me. Nobody in the medical field seems to care because there are not enough of us with the disease for anyone to make any money out of doing research. No one wants to study it to find a cure because it just wouldn't be profittable like other illnesses such as cancer. I am sorry to hear that you are going through a bad bout of pain. Are you still on Vit. D? I am still on the D drops along with some calcium, and it seems to be going alright for now, although I am always more sore in winter with the cold temps. I also had a small seizure today, first one in seven years, and its been just over a year since I stopped my seizure meds. Hopefully it will be my last seizure for another seven years. It didn't really cause any harm, just made me confused and unable to talk for about 15 minutes. It did scare my husband a little though he has been there for my other seizures so he knew how to handle it. Do any of you suffer from seizures as well?
    Hang in there everyone,

    Tracey
  • Re: Research - Is there any going on?

    Mon, January 29, 2007 - 5:20 AM
    Its me again guys..

    My recent bout of pains has got me more worked up than I have been for a long time and at the end of last week I spent 2 solid days at the PC searching the net for anything and everything CED related. Most of what I found is the same old gobbledigook that I've seen a million times before - case study after case study of CED sufferers, but with no info about what actually happened to them afterwards.. you know the ones! But I also came across a lecturer at Aberdeen University's (Scotland, UK) dept of Medicine and Therapeutics who is researching bone disorders involving increased osteoclastic activity.
    I emailed her, briefly explaining my situation and asked if she could provide any information about CED or if she knew of any research being done into it. and below is her reply.....

    Dear Christina,
    Thank you for contacting me. I was away last week meeting up with colleagues and I got your email when speaking to one of the geneticists who has worked extensively on CED (this is how we tend to abbreviate the condition). This is Dr. Wim van Hul in Antwerp. I asked him whether he would be OK to review your case. If you are happy with that I would pass on your email to him. There is some information about the cause of the disease, it is caused by mutations in the gene for transforming growth factor beta. There are many different mutations known and most lead to a higher level of activated TGFbeta. We are still unclear how this causes the symptoms in the disease since TGF beta has many effects on many different tissues and cell types.
    Please let me know whether you are OK for me to contact Wim with your email address. In the mean time I will try to look out some further information to send to you.
    Thank you for contacting us. Are you the only member in your family who is affected?

    ....I sent a reply just a moment ago giving her the all clear to pass on my details to the Doctor in Antwerp - I have nothing to lose and possibly some answers to gain!
    I will keep you all informed as to what happens next, but for now I am going to take some painkillers cos my arms are bloody killing me!

    Keep smiling guys (I know i ought to take my own advice too! lol)

    Chris. xxx
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      Re: Research - Is there any going on?

      Wed, February 7, 2007 - 11:25 PM
      Hey Chris,

      I hope you are feeling a bit better. Hang in there chookie, i know it's bloody hard sometimes but just remember that "this too shall pass". Don't forget to stay positive and cheerful because that is one of the things that we love about you!

      I had a rough couple of months recently too, especially over Christmas, but i'm getting back on track again now. I've recently tried Di-Gesics (Dextropropoxyphene hydrochloride) and found that they worked well with no side effects (always a bonus!!), so much so that I reduced my other pain medications by half within a fortnight.
      I tried the Norspan (Buprenorphine transdermal patch) but that gave me very nasty side effects, so i stopped using it. Then to top off my severe pain, inability to walk and sleep deprivation, my dog passed away in January from GME (causes brain tumours - she was only 4 years old, my best friend and a great companion, especially when I was in isolation for the kidney transplant). I miss her so much.

      However, my life is definitely looking up: For instance, i had a brilliant birthday recently, am back at Uni soon - which is always good, the new Harry Potter film comes out in only 155 days, and the new Harry Potter book only 8 days after that, Woohoo!

      I know the frustration you're feeling with the doctors not being able to do anything, especially during a flare-up that is beyond your control (eg. the weather!!).
      I have been trying alternate forms of pain relief such as making a pillow bed (I now use the NASA foam pillows and lay them side-by-side down the bed to sleep on), hot water bottles/wheat bags/heat therapy, lavender baths (i followed Nannette's advice and bought a spa-bath foam mat - the bubbles work wonders on sore bones!) and gentle theraputic massage.

      Perhaps finding a doctor that is well researched in CED will help you to get better pain relief during the flare-ups and more answers about this disease. Though i agree with you, whenever i have surfed the net lately there hasn't appeared to be many recent developments.

      My CED doctor, Professor David Sillence (Genetics Department, Westmead Children's Hospital, Sydney NSW Australia) has been in contact with Dr Wim Van Hul back in 2001 during the International Skeletal Dysplasia Society (Dr Hul has experience with molecular investigations into the osteo-sclerotic group of bone disorders, and his group has established that mutations in the transforming growth factor beta-1 gene are responsible for the pathogenesis of the Engelmanns disease). We sent across my DNA to his Antwerp group of doctors to see if he could locate my CED gene. He found out that I am indeed a mutation, however my mutation was in the typical genes associated with CED (it could be anywhere). We have tested my DNA several more times (it think we even sent it to Japan) but no luck as yet. I don't produce TGFB-1 at all, so i am currenlty taking pure Colostrum. It has improved my energy levels immensely. I am also going to have my cytokine antibody levels tested.

      I would definitley give Dr Wim Van Hul a go Chris, they may just find your gene. Although i know this probably will not help your pain levels at the moment, we must remember that through research they will find a treatment and possibly a cure in the future.

      Until next time, i give you all my love and hugs and wishes for good health. We are all thinking of you, and hoping that the flare-up and pain will pass or at least ease off soon.
      Take care chookie, keep smiling, and hang in there. Lots of love,

      Loz xxoo

      Dont forget that laughter is sometimes the best medicine, so i am prescribing you a strict dosage of classic comedy. I have recentley started watching "How I met your Mother" TV comedy from the USA, and seriously recommend that you do too. I think you will like Barney's antics! If not Monty Python's Holy Grail is always good for a laugh. Or watch some cool chick flicks to help pass the time. :o) xxoo
  • Re: Research - Is there any going on?

    Fri, February 23, 2007 - 4:00 PM
    Hi everyone!
    It has been awhile since I have been able to get on a working computer. I hope you are all doing well. I have been trying to get caught up with all of the postings and this one jumped out. Nathan's Rheumatologist has also been in contact with Dr. Hul from Antwrep, Belgium. He is studying his DNA also. I have heard it could take awhile though. We sent the DNA to him in December I think.
    Most of the medical listings that I have found at the end of all the reports on the case studies of CED have his name on them. I was excited to hear my doctor got in touch with him. I haven't heard anything as of yet. Nathan's doctor and also Dr. Hul make it very clear that they are just researching the gene and that we won't know anymore about the disease but if Nathan's gene is genetic or a mutation. All I care is that he is at least looking at it at this point. Maybe if we can all send him our stuff to review he will have more comparissions to go by? Or even this website? I have learned so much here from all of you. Whenever I talk to Nathan's rheumatologist he is interested in knowing what you all have done.
    I hope all of you have better days. I wish I knew more of what to say. Again I feel helpless.

    Nannette

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