I might piss of my in-laws for this, but sometimes Einstein was right on the mark.
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Einstein: Bible Is 'Primitive, Pretty Childish'
LONDON , Associated Press
5 hours ago
Albert Einstein: arch rationalist or scientist with a spiritual core?
A letter being auctioned in London this week adds more fuel to the long-simmering debate about the Nobel prize-winning physicist's religious views.
In the note, written the year before his death, Einstein dismissed the idea of God as the product of human weakness and the Bible as "pretty childish."
The letter, handwritten in German, is being sold by Bloomsbury Auctions on Thursday and is expected to fetch between $12,000 and $16,000.
Einstein, who helped unravel the mysteries of the universe with his theory of relativity, expressed complex and arguably contradictory views on faith, perceiving a universe suffused with spirituality while rejecting organized religion.
The letter up for sale, written to philosopher Eric Gutkind in January 1954, suggests his views on religion did not mellow with age.
In it, Einstein said that "the word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish."
"For me," he added, "the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions."
Addressing the idea that the Jews are God's chosen people, Einstein wrote that "the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are also no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them."
Bloomsbury spokesman Richard Caton said the auction house was "100 percent certain" of the letter's authenticity.
It is being offered at auction for the first time, by a private vendor.
John Brooke, emeritus professor of science and religion at Oxford University, said the letter lends weight to the notion that "Einstein was not a conventional theist" — although he was not an atheist, either.
"Like many great scientists of the past, he is rather quirky about religion, and not always consistent from one period to another," Brooke said.
Born to a Jewish family in Germany in 1879, Einstein said he went through a devout phase as a child before beginning to question conventional religion at the age of 12.
In later life, he expressed a sense of wonder at the universe and its mysteries — what he called a "cosmic religious feeling" — and famously said: "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
But, he also said: "I do not believe in the God of theology who rewards good and punishes evil. My God created laws that take care of that. His universe is not ruled by wishful thinking, but by immutable laws."
Brooke said Einstein believed that "there is some kind of intelligence working its way through nature. But it is certainly not a conventional Christian or Judaic religious view."
Einstein's most famous legacy is the special theory of relativity, which makes the point that a large amount of energy could be released from a tiny amount of matter, as expressed in the equation E=MC2 (energy equals mass times the speed of light squared).
The theory changed the face of physics, allowing scientists to make predictions about space and paving the way for nuclear power and the atomic bomb.
Einstein's musings on science, war, peace and God helped make him world famous, and his scientific legacy prompted Time magazine to name him its Person of the 20th Century.
www6.comcast.net/articles/...ein.bible/
Einstein: Bible Is 'Primitive, Pretty Childish'
LONDON , Associated Press
5 hours ago
Albert Einstein: arch rationalist or scientist with a spiritual core?
A letter being auctioned in London this week adds more fuel to the long-simmering debate about the Nobel prize-winning physicist's religious views.
In the note, written the year before his death, Einstein dismissed the idea of God as the product of human weakness and the Bible as "pretty childish."
The letter, handwritten in German, is being sold by Bloomsbury Auctions on Thursday and is expected to fetch between $12,000 and $16,000.
Einstein, who helped unravel the mysteries of the universe with his theory of relativity, expressed complex and arguably contradictory views on faith, perceiving a universe suffused with spirituality while rejecting organized religion.
The letter up for sale, written to philosopher Eric Gutkind in January 1954, suggests his views on religion did not mellow with age.
In it, Einstein said that "the word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish."
"For me," he added, "the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions."
Addressing the idea that the Jews are God's chosen people, Einstein wrote that "the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are also no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them."
Bloomsbury spokesman Richard Caton said the auction house was "100 percent certain" of the letter's authenticity.
It is being offered at auction for the first time, by a private vendor.
John Brooke, emeritus professor of science and religion at Oxford University, said the letter lends weight to the notion that "Einstein was not a conventional theist" — although he was not an atheist, either.
"Like many great scientists of the past, he is rather quirky about religion, and not always consistent from one period to another," Brooke said.
Born to a Jewish family in Germany in 1879, Einstein said he went through a devout phase as a child before beginning to question conventional religion at the age of 12.
In later life, he expressed a sense of wonder at the universe and its mysteries — what he called a "cosmic religious feeling" — and famously said: "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
But, he also said: "I do not believe in the God of theology who rewards good and punishes evil. My God created laws that take care of that. His universe is not ruled by wishful thinking, but by immutable laws."
Brooke said Einstein believed that "there is some kind of intelligence working its way through nature. But it is certainly not a conventional Christian or Judaic religious view."
Einstein's most famous legacy is the special theory of relativity, which makes the point that a large amount of energy could be released from a tiny amount of matter, as expressed in the equation E=MC2 (energy equals mass times the speed of light squared).
The theory changed the face of physics, allowing scientists to make predictions about space and paving the way for nuclear power and the atomic bomb.
Einstein's musings on science, war, peace and God helped make him world famous, and his scientific legacy prompted Time magazine to name him its Person of the 20th Century.
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Re: Maybe Albert Wasn't Such a Bad Sort Afterall
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 6:44 PMI was just about to post this myself.
"Belief in God 'childish', Jews not the chosen people" says Albert Einstein.
This is a different article on the same topic. From a different news agency I guess.
ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/080...s_einstein
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Re: Maybe Albert Wasn't Such a Bad Sort Afterall
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 6:42 AMEven in Einstien's other writings you cannot get out of them that he was a THEIST. You can get out of them that he was a DEIST.
But Xtianoids do not recognize that distinction. They pull the same shit with philosopher Anthony Flew who, at age 86, decided to be a DEIST. When he made the formal announcement he explicitly said, "I certainly do not believe in the moral despot of the Abrahamic faiths." Yet Xtianoids continue to present Flew as a converted theist of the Abrahamic faiths because of the syntactical similarities between the words "deism" and "deity". -
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Re: Maybe Albert Wasn't Such a Bad Sort Afterall
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 9:07 AM>>>>>>>>because of the syntactical similarities between the words "deism" and "deity". <<<<<
Those aren't coincedental similarities, you know. Deists do acknowledge creation by a deity, as in a god.
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Re: Maybe Albert Wasn't Such a Bad Sort Afterall
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 9:16 AM>>>>>>Those aren't coincidental similarities, you know. Deists do acknowledge creation by a deity, as in a god.
Thanks for demonstrating my point. I said "syntactical" not "coincidental".
Furthermore, "god" is a title. What does the title designate? That varies greatly between viewpoints. What "god" means within deistic viewpoints differs from what it means in theistic viewpoints. "God" within theism means "sovereignty over some realm". That is hardly what "god" means within deism. It is not clear that "deity" within deism means "god". You are making an assumption based upon your own prejudices. Note that now we are talking semantics. So you are making a false semantic equivocation because of syntactical similarities.
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Re: Maybe Albert Wasn't Such a Bad Sort Afterall
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 11:47 AM<Those aren't coincedental similarities, you know. Deists do acknowledge creation by a deity, as in a god. >
Pagans are Deists, as are Hindus and some sects of Buddhism. Just because you state a belief in a supreme being does not infer that the supreme being is Christian.
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