Catholics and Overpopulation

topic posted Wed, October 28, 2009 - 11:46 AM by  D.B. Cooper
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It's happened again. Three times now, I have discussed overpopulation with Catholic friends, all 3 of whom were socially liberal. All 3 used almost the exact same words! To claim overpopulation is not a problem. They say:

It's actually a problem of distribution of food and of politics, not overpopulation.

All the people on the planet would fit into Texas, with enough room for a suburban size lot and house for each.

etc.

I find their thinking frightening! I try to explain that we don't live in some ideal world! I'd rather provide birth control and have families have fewer children, than wait for changes in distribution and politics! (Wal-Mart has a good distribution network. Shall we wait until there is a Wal-Mart in every neighborhood?)

Have you encountered the same thinking? How does one reason with these folks?
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D.B. Cooper
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  • Re: Catholics and Overpopulation

    Wed, October 28, 2009 - 12:18 PM
    ************All the people on the planet would fit into Texas, with enough room for a suburban size lot and house for each.*************

    Yah maybe but, would they want to?

    As an aside maybe it's not the Catholics but the minorities Muslims and and poor urban trash you ought to be complaining about.
    Catholics as a group don't produce nearly the volume of progeny ( per person) as those groups do.
    And the Latino Catholics are profligate progeny producers not out of religion but out of culture.

    Hey DB, what did you do when you jumped out of the plane?
    • Re: Catholics and Overpopulation

      Wed, October 28, 2009 - 4:34 PM
      (with all due respect)

      You have a point about the other groups, but only the Roman Catholic Church lobbies government. During the 1980's, here in the USA, it and the religious Right got the Reagan administration to quit funding international family planning programs. It was done under the guise of fighting abortion, but in reality, many of the proponents opposed all birth control.

      I believe they succeeded in doing it again during Bush-the-Lesser's Presidency.

      As a baby boomer, I remember those big 6 kid Catholic families from the 60's and 70's, here in the USA.


      So, I fear the RC church on this one. It's international, global, and has 1 billion + members. It plays a role in lobbying the US government. In general, and through its secular, Opus Dei, group composed of professionals in large part.
      • Re: Catholics and Overpopulation

        Wed, October 28, 2009 - 4:54 PM
        The Mormons also have an anti-birth control policy, though this is a smaller church, and thus a smaller problem than the Catholics.

        www.lds-mormon.com/birth.shtml

        The United States has only a very modest birth rate (14 per thousand population). We rank 150 on the list of nations. Unfortunately for us, the countries of Latin America rank much higher, and we tend to get the surplus.

        www.photius.com/rankings/p...2008_0.html

        This is not mainly a religious problem, more of poverty and social conditions. Notice that Italy, Spain and France all have lower birthrates than the U.S., though these are Catholic countries.

        Some countries, such as China and India, which were once considered hopeless, have managed to reduce their birthrates significantly in recent years.

        shineanthology.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/fertility_rate_world_map.png
        • Re: Catholics and Overpopulation

          Fri, October 30, 2009 - 12:49 PM
          By fighting birth control in Latin America, the church might one day flood the USA with Catholic refugees. The political and economic rewards for the church would be monumental. They would gain political influence in the world's leading -secular- society. Their churches would have more members, and therefore, more contributions.

          Frightening. Would they risk increasing the impoverished conditions down there for this possible benefit?

          You bet they would (are)!
    • Re: Catholics and Overpopulation

      Wed, October 28, 2009 - 4:37 PM
      (with all due respect)

      You have a point about the other groups, but only the Roman Catholic Church lobbies government. During the 1980's, here in the USA, it and the religious Right got the Reagan administration to quit funding international family planning programs. It was done under the guise of fighting abortion, but in reality, many of the proponents opposed all birth control.

      I believe they succeeded in doing it again during Bush-the-Lesser's Presidency.

      As a baby boomer, I remember those big 6 kid Catholic families from the 60's and 70's, here in the USA.


      So, I fear the RC church on this one. It's international, global, and has 1 billion + members. It plays a role in lobbying the US government. In general, and through its secular, Opus Dei, group composed of professionals in large part.
      • Re: Catholics and Overpopulation

        Thu, October 29, 2009 - 12:36 PM
        Yah I know. The policies of the catholic church take a weird twisted perverse turn in places where famine and drought are common. The result is more babies that live so the population density will cause the ecology to crash and bring about massive starvation and plague.

        There's nothing sensible about teaching borderline populations how to have more children that live.

        The world is jam packed full of unintended consequences.

  • Re: Catholics and Overpopulation

    Thu, October 29, 2009 - 4:18 PM
    A part of it is food distribution. The Roman Catholic Church does make exceptions with their anti abortion policies, i.e. if conception is done because of rape or incest or if the mothers life is in danger then abortion is permitted but their birth control policy has to go. The other problem some people who cannot afford to have more children also cannot afford and/or have access to birth control.
    • Re: Catholics and Overpopulation

      Fri, October 30, 2009 - 12:45 PM
      I doubt the Catholic church condones any abortions. I suspect that even when the mother-to-be is a 15 year old rape victim, it'll oppose abortion. In fact, there was such a case in Ireland not long ago: a raped minor.

      I'm 99.99% sure. Anyone know? The official church policy?
      • Re: Catholics and Overpopulation

        Fri, October 30, 2009 - 3:40 PM
        Cconcerning abortion in cases of rape and incest:

        "Many question why the Church won't make specific exceptions for abortion when unborn children are conceived in rape or incest, or are disabled. They also feel that the Church is being unduly hard when it makes no exceptions for situations in which a mother will have her mental or physical health taxed as a result of carrying a baby to term and/or rearing the child. But consider the implications of making such exceptions. It would send them the message that people's value depends upon their physical condition, the circumstances of their conception or others' perception of them."

        And, from Catholic Answers:

        "An unborn child is an innocent human, regardless of the circumstances of his conception. Though tragic, the crimes of rape or incest are only exacerbated, and the woman's torments are only intensified, by the additional sin of abortion. Since... the unborn is human, regardless of the "caliber" of his pre-born life, no alleged deficiency in his "quality" of life can justify the taking of that life.

        The same applies to the so-called "either/or" dilemma: The mother's life is supposedly in danger, and there is a chance she might die; to ensure her safety, it is said, it is necessary to kill the child. Yet one is never justified in doing evil that good may come of it (Rom. 3:8). What is at issue here is homicidal intent.

        www.lifeisaprayer.com/article...-of-rape

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