HI Everyone,

I would just like to ask if anyone would like to highlight something new that is happening in response to global warming that is good and positive. I'm putting together a new article for Vivid magazine this weekend and wanted to open up a larger response to this. Large or small steps and progress is welcome:)
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Brittany
Los Angeles
  • I think countries like Canada, Norway and Russia are welcoming this change, it's just too bad most of the world's population lives near the coast and in warmer latitudes.
    There is also a theory that the vast Sahara desert was once a lush savannah with water when the earth's axis tilted closer to the sun some 15,000 years ago, countries like Libya and Mali may experience more rainfall.
    We may soon be able to have vineyards in England, Tree farms in Greenland and Tropical monsoon weather in California due to the warming of the Pacific current.
    On the bad side, the earth's population is going to have to cope by building ever bigger dams, sea walls and bigger irrigation systems to make up for the more sporadic, yet stronger rainfall storms.
    Massive population shifts need to occur to make room for Dams such as have been done in India.
    The Southeastern United States and even the Midwest should start preparing by looking at India as an example of the land and people they may have to clear to make room for Bigger Dams to cope with extreme monsoon seasons.
    • "We may soon be able to have vineyards in England"

      www.denbiesvineyard.co.uk/

      www.lurgashall.co.uk/ Both not far from me, and:

      www.english-wine.com/vineyards.html

      We've had Award winning vineyards here for years.

      I have several Norwegian friends and they are desperately worried about the effects of global warming. Admitedly, the ones I know live in the South of Norway (Oslo, Kristiansand, Mandal and Lindessness). The majority of the Norwegian population live along the coast line as the rest of the country is so mountainous so the sea level rise is of real concern to them. For the UK it is a double edged sword. At the moment we have the undeniable change in the seasons. The winters are very different from the winters of my childhood and spring seems to arrive earlier each year. We rely on the gulf stream for our temperate climate, and as temperatures rise, the ice packs in the north disintigrate and melt which is slowing down the return flow which is a deep ocean current. (I believe the return current has diminished by something like either 10% in twenty years or 20% in ten years both of which are a staggering drop in such a short time) It is the return current taking the cold water south which in turn drives the gulf stream bringing warm waters north. There is evidence that this cycle has been 'turned off' several times in the distant past, so for the UK. and parts of the northerm hemisphere the warming could then be followed by cooling on a catasrophic scale.
  • well--- this may not be exactly what you're looking for, but i just saw it the other day:

    www.ted.com/talks/view/id/243

    i am in no way remotely sexually attracted to the man, but his realizing his perception of the "crisis" did, indeed, cause some "global warming in my pants."
    • I wouldn't say "global warming in my pants", but that is probably one of the best lectures I've seen from Al Gore. I watched an Inconvienent Truth and bought his Assault on Reason - but this is fabulous the urgency and hope that he conveys with equal measure. I will definately use that quote, "Most people think that optimism is a belief, but it really is an action." I think I'll have to watch that one again.

      Last night on the National Geographic channel they did a 2 hour documentary (of which I only saw the last 45 minutes) on the carbon footprint of an average American. They showed the just a portion of the stuff an average American consumes in a whole lifetime spread out on a lawn in front of a country house, and it was startling. There were thousands of milk pints, shampoo bottles, wine bottles, refrigerators, twelve cars, the clothes, the bread, etc, etc, etc.... Then they had a documentary right afterwards on glacial melting, the state of Greenland, and the state of West Antarctica. If that wasn't enough to make you go out and change your life - I don't know what would be.
  • I found it positive to read that the prime ministers of Australia and the UK both are starting to grasp the urgency of the crisis..Only one Anglo saxon leader is still lagging behind..



    Act now on climate change
    We need a new international agreement that must include all nations - and be effective
    Gordon Brown and Kevin Rudd
    (Gordon Brown is the British prime minister; Kevin Rudd is the Australian prime minister)
    April 7, 2008

    The first act of the new Australian government was to ratify the Kyoto Protocol. It was an important signal of Australia's new engagement in international relations. And a vital step in the global effort to combat climate change.

    It is now critical that world leaders address the challenge of building a consensus for a new international climate change agreement beyond 2012.

    It is hard to grasp the urgency of this challenge. The time lag between the emissions of greenhouse gases and their impacts means that we may not see the full consequence of our actions today for 20 or 30 years. The implications for our children mean that it is unconscionable not to act now. The impacts of unchecked climate change will jeopardise the economic and social aspirations of generations of the world's people. As the Solana report for the EU has recently shown, this could take the form not just of economic and humanitarian crisis, but of risks to global and regional security. Rising temperatures leading to greater water scarcity, sea level rises and extreme weather events may exacerbate tensions over natural resources and cause large numbers of people to become "climate refugees" as they migrate across borders. An effective global response to climate change is therefore essential to secure a sustainable future in all senses.

    Global political engagement can achieve extraordinary results. Think of the speed with which nations have responded in recent years to threats such as terrorism, the impact of CFC gases on the ozone layer or avian flu. The international response to these challenges has by no means been perfect. But it has been broadly effective, and it has proved the ability of nations to work together in the face of a common threat.

    Climate change demands a level of urgency and scale of response larger than all of these. It requires nothing less than a technological and social transformation: the building, over the next 40 years, of a global low-carbon economy and society. But we are sure it can be done. Indeed, we are convinced that the economic benefits from tackling climate change strongly justify early action. Investment in energy and resource efficiency raises economic productivity. Global demand for low-carbon solutions will create new jobs, new industries and new export opportunities. In the 21st century green technologies will provide new drivers for economic growth as the internal combustion engine and microprocessor did in the last.

    But time is running out and it is up to heads of government to show leadership. We need to secure a new post-2012 international climate change agreement - one that builds on the Bali Road Map and the lessons of the first stage of the Kyoto Protocol - by the end of next year. And it must be a high-ambition agreement.

    So we must agree on a long-term global goal that can focus action and provide context for national targets. Setting out a clear trajectory to a low-emissions economy is vital if the private sector is to have confidence to develop and invest in new technologies.

    All countries with significant emissions must undertake to set ambitious commitments, reflecting the international consensus that our responsibility to deal with climate change is shared in common - but what we do must reflect national circumstances and capacities.

    Our relative wealth and historical responsibility for the problem means that the richest countries must take the lead. That means binding national caps on emissions for all developed countries, including the United States. For developing countries, commitments should be commensurate with each nation's stage of economic development. For the emerging economies this could mean nationwide energy intensity targets, or perhaps sectoral agreements capping emissions or adopting efficiency benchmarks in key sectors. Or it might involve other kinds of commitments to promote sustainable development policies. For some countries this could include reducing emissions from deforestation and forest degradation.

    Whatever form these commitments take, they will have to be measurable and verifiable, and they must clearly result in lower emissions than "business as usual". The global public will need to see that the post-2012 agreement clearly sets the world on a path towards the peaking and decline of global emissions.

    To support these efforts, the developed world has a responsibility to provide finance and technology to developing countries. It is the poorest nations that are the most vulnerable toclimate change and the least able to respond. The World Bank estimates that 20%-4% of all overseas development assistance is at risk from global warming, undermining the recent progress towards achieving the Millennium Development Goals. It is therefore crucial that environmental protection is fully integrated into international development programmes and the multilateral institutions, such as the World Bank, which administer them. We need to assist developing countries define new models of low-carbon, climate-resilient development. The World Bank needs to become a bank for development and environment.

    That is why the UK and Australia are committed to scaling up financing - not just after 2012, but now, and why we are supporting the establishment of new funds administered by the World Bank for clean technologies, sustainable forestry, and for adaptation to climate change.

    The new international agreement we seek must be effective - so it must include all nations, and must ensure that the world is set on a path to avoiding dangerous climate change. It must be efficient - by using carbon markets to provide incentives to reduce emissions. And it must be equitable - helping poorer countries adapt and to forge their own transition to a low-carbon future.

    The task of securing such an agreement should not be underestimated, but the costs of inaction will be far greater than those of action. Making hard choices now will help avert much greater hardship in the future.

    Climate change is the great moral and economic challenge of our time. It requires us to put the interests of future generations ahead of the short term costs of acting now. And it requires that we put the interests of those who have nothing ahead of those who have so much.

    There is no greater challenge now facing world leaders. We cannot afford to fail. commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/gor...html
    • One more thing..
      These are a few of the best reactions..

      "I couldn't agree more. How about we start by scrapping the proposed third runway at Heathrow?

      Oh, and another thing. Isn't it time we started referring to it as 'global heating'? (as suggested by Jonathan Freedland). Makes it sound much more urgent don't you think?"

      "Great! So in order to face this looming catastrophe, we can expect Mr Brown to announce the following policies:

      * Scrapping the proposed 3rd runway at Heathrow, along with the rest of the UK's aviation expansion plans;

      * Refusing permission for any new coal plants;

      * Demanding an EU-wide moratorium on biofuels (which cause more climate change than fossil fuels, according to the latest research);

      * Launching a massive eco-retrofit of Britain's housing stock;

      * Scrapping subsidies to fossil fuel companies and putting serious support in place for wind, solar and wave power;

      * Halting the Government's massive road-building programme, creating an efficient, comfortable intercity coach network and renationalising the railways.

      That'd be a pretty decent start. Then we could talk about how an economy based on endless growth is completely bonkers on a finite planet, and start planning a different kind of system based on fairness, health, happiness and well-being rather than the myth of ever-increasing "wealth" at the expense of our natural life-support systems.

      Or is Mr Brown perhaps not entirely serious about climate change after all?"


      I could not agree more..
      So Gordon, if you are serious..
      Please Gordon, if you mean what you say..
      If these comments are more then empty words..
      Take a red pen and erase that planned third runway at Heathrow and that massive road building programme from the map..
      It would be an important signal to the people to understand the urgency of this crisis..
      It would also be a great starting point for negotiations..

      If you fail this...Your climate policy failed..
      To use your own words..
      "There is no greater challenge now facing world leaders. We cannot afford to fail."

      Also check out these heroes..
      tribes.tribe.net/environme...88f0f3c574

      and these
      carssuck.tribe.net/thread/6...5a0cc4dbc
      • Just be glad that you still have a train system to nationalize. Our whole rail system, once the largest in the world, has been sacrificed on the alter of "high speed air travel" But Air travel consumes much more resources per pound of goods shipped. It is one of the most unsustainable forms of transport.

        Since 80% of each tickets cost is consumed by buying the fuel, tourism is really seen to be about as "green" as a Humvee. Each passenger accounts for several hundred pounds of fuel spent to generate the lift and thrust necessary to propel them forward. I foresee the reintroduction of "lighter than air craft" again. They have a far better ratio of weight transported to energy consumed than a fixed wing craft does.

        Modern materials and technology could provide even safer materials to prevent a disaster like the the Hindenburg from happening again.Planes crash all the time, killing most of the people on board, no one ever suggests that we shelve the whole technology because of one terrible accident. We may see a lot of "old" technology in the future, Steam engines provided simple multi-fuel power plants and were very common in the last centuries. The famous "Stanley Steamer" was a car that could run on oil,coal, firewood, garbage or almost anything combustible. It's top speed was limited more by the poor suspensions of the time than by available horsepower, On a modern chasis the steamer could achieve 175 with ease it has been estimated.

        Rudolph Diesel designed his cars to run on peanut oil, before a plentiful petroleum alternative was offered for sale. Electric cars were developed long before they were switched to burning gas. Tesla famously demonstrated an electric vehicle that was powered by energy transmitted through the ground with little loss. We just took the lazy path of burning fossil fuels instead of accepting technologies that could be sustainable.
        • That's funny, Will and I are always talking about the Hindenburg making a comeback. Air travel and airplanes are probably the most ridiculous forms of transportation ever. And why do we import grapes and blueberries from Chile when we have them in California? I think its the NAFTA, CAFTA agreements that regulate why those make it to the store even though they are completely unnecessary and a carbon nightmare. So - we should probably scrap those 'free trade agreements' when the cap-and-trade carbon system goes into effect. It doesn't make since to have to pay for carbon and then continue to import such redundant items.

          We should also go back to knowing the people who grow our food - then it won't come so far, the money stays in the community, and the land where we live is made better by sustainable agriculture. Because you don't pollute the field where you know you get your food...
  • Hey not to be a nay sayer, but, periodically the earth does heat up and cool down, and we might be in one of those natural heating up- cycles. Which means there ain't nothin we can do about it. But pollution itself is still a big problem. Mother Nature will do what Mother Nature sees fit.
    • We can't have certain knowledge of the future, so why not play Russian roulette! . . the rules are easy, play is simple and someone is making lots of money from it. . .

      I say take RADICAL measures and if it so happens that the scientists are wrong. . .what does it hurt to err on the side of caution.

      The worst thing that will happen is that the economy will surge, the ecosystem will flourish, cancer rates will drop and we'll have less wars in the world. .
      • true enough---- except for the wars. Those people in power (pathocrats) do not care about what happens to you and I, note the syphalis experiment Tuskagee, where the 399 african american males were either not treated for or exposed to syphalis! These men died, not because there wasn't a cure, but because someone was making a profit/researching the effects! This is sickening!

        So, there the scientists don't always care for the wellbeing of the commoners.

        And look at the profits those assholes are making, tellling the world there's limited petroleum fields and boosting the costs this much.

        Of course it doesn't help to keep emitting smog--- but these people are one step ahead of us--- and are trying to take advantage of ordinary you and I.

        It's for a politcal reason, guys!
        • the 'pathocrats' probably figure the more war and devastation the better, because there is less people and more resources. Of course, there will never be enough resources for those people, and they don't want to admit it yet.

          What they were ignoring is bound to come around and bite them in the ass. Because it is warming, and its warming more severely that the scientists even thought possible. At this level of warming we are bound for catastrophe. Maybe the next typhoon/hurricane can hit the White House and kill the beast. That would be fabulous. Or maybe he just happens to be on a state visit that coincides with the next tsunami...

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