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Re: China is Hell. .
Sat, October 24, 2009 - 7:31 AMremember these images next time you are tempted to buy any crap made in China. . -
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Sat, October 24, 2009 - 6:29 PMI check every single label and go out of my way to find stores that carry made in the usa products. Some stuff you just have to make yourself. -
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Mon, October 26, 2009 - 3:32 PMNot every person thinks like we do and look for made in the USA. A guy I work with thinks made in China is quality and cannot explain why his Chinese umbrellas fall apart after 2 or 3 uses.
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Re: China is Hell. . Yes it is.
Wed, October 28, 2009 - 12:23 PMOh yah baby China is surging headlong into a problem similar to what Japan faced after the war when they were producing so many deformed babies from heavy metals in the water. The cultural mood about it was: "STFU~!! We have a nation to rebuild~!!"
And the people suffered for it .
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Re: China is Hell. . Yes it is.
Wed, October 28, 2009 - 2:44 PMI'm sort of surprised and somewhat glad someone remembers the Minamata disaster, where methyl mercury caused kids to be born limbless and sightless. IF China doesn't wise up rather quickly, they'll have the same types of disaster on their hands. And new ones.
I was in China in June 2008, and found it to be less than adequate, even in Beijing. Water had to be purchased for consumption (you couldn't drink it out of the tap, even in the finest hotels) and there was perpetual haze over the city, even with the Olympics right around the corner. They're trying, but they're clueless on how to clean up.
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Wed, October 28, 2009 - 5:07 PMEnvironmentalism is pretty new in China, where economic development has top priority, and the main source of power is coal. Like the Japanese, they have a fine artistic appreciation of nature, which quickly breaks down when money is involved. The political structure does not lend itself to popular initiatives nor respect the rights of individuals who may be affected by pollution from state enterprises or industries in which influential persons have invested. The people, however, want and expect better lives for themselves, and this includes, at a minimum, breathable air and drinkable water. -
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Wed, October 28, 2009 - 5:45 PMChina is unlike the Japanese whose appreciation and care for nature does not break down when money is involved. The Japanese have killed many a project in the name of the environment. -
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Wed, October 28, 2009 - 6:38 PMI'm of the belief that the Japanese killing projects in the name of the environment is partially due to the limited amount of space and arable land that they have. The Chinese, on the other hand, think that they can use Inner and Outer Mongolia as a dumping ground. Part of that is the homogenization of the Chinese culture and absorbing Mongols. With 95% of the population being Han Chinese, there's a little bit of racism involved for Mongolians, Hakka, and those of mixed breed.
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Wed, October 28, 2009 - 7:13 PMJapan covered most of its coastline and lined almost all its rivers with concrete.
www.wordpress.tokyotimes.org/
This was done to provide employment through public works. The projects themselves were unnecessary; they might as well have built pyramids. The environmental lobby in Japan didn't have much to say about it.
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Thu, October 29, 2009 - 1:33 PMne of the reasons Japan cover most of it's coastline in concrete was because it erected tsunami barriers.. It is true that 79% of the land in Japan is mountainous and not habitable so they have kept that as habituate. However Japan as a whole has stronger animal protections than the US or other countries. -
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Thu, October 29, 2009 - 1:46 PMIn some of the mountainous areas, they also have concrete posts in drainageways that look silly, but they're supposed to slow the progress of a pyroclastic flow. I laugh at that, because no one has ever slowed down a molten rock and gas density flow moving downhill at over 70 miles per hour. -
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Thu, October 29, 2009 - 2:49 PMWell they also get a lot of mud and rock slides. Japan is one of the most seismically active island nations in the world. They also have very good seismic building codes. -
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Thu, October 29, 2009 - 10:15 PM{Well they also get a lot of mud and rock slides. Japan is one of the most seismically active island nations in the world. They also have very good seismic building codes}
Those swell building codes didn't keep the 1995 Southern Hyogo quake from killing 6,000 people and injuring another 415,000. Nor did they prevent 100,000 homes from being completely destroyed. Wonderful building codes.
I lived in Japan for two years. It is still largely a largely apathetic and anomic society that is paralyzed for the most part by authority. For generations it has been ruled, oddly enough, by a coalition of political conservatives, rice farmers and Yakuza gangsters. It will be interesting to see if things really change now that the opposition has taken power. -
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Thu, October 29, 2009 - 11:20 PM>>For generations it has been ruled, oddly enough, by a coalition of political conservatives, rice farmers and Yakuza gangsters.
Sounds like the good old USA . . .
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Thu, October 29, 2009 - 4:33 PMThe Japanese government gave all sorts of reasons why they had to ring their country with concrete, but the tsunami fairy tale is probably the silliest. The tetrapods are too low to stop a tsunami, and the effect on beach erosion is negative.
www.bluepeacemaldives.org/blog/...-earth
posthumanblues.blogspot.com/2008....html
www.pinktentacle.com/2008/08...f-japan/
www.travelpod.com/travel-ph.../tpod.html
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Thu, October 29, 2009 - 6:47 PMyou can't say this and you can't say that about the japanese, unless you say it all. . .they are a complex people, probably the chinese are as well, i can't say about them. the love of nature runs deep in japanese culture, it pervades the poetry, art and philosophy of their traditional culture. . .but things changed when commodore perry fired one across the bow. there are many examples in the modern era of japanese development causing significant harm to the natural environment. . .that environmental ethic keeps popping up though. . -
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Thu, October 29, 2009 - 6:53 PM>> unless you say it all
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Thu, October 29, 2009 - 6:54 PMright. . .the japanese are not a simple people. . -
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Sun, November 15, 2009 - 1:12 AMLiving here for 20 years I can say things have been changing for the better.
Overall, I am much more shocked when I return to the states.
good factors:
It's an island. Easier for people to see how fast problems/shit builds up.
The Japanese identify themselves as 'a tribe of guppies' and move as one. Things catch on fast and there is a potential for something good to happen here.
bad factors:
Packaging is a form of culture.
The media is awful!
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Sun, November 15, 2009 - 6:34 AMIf I could learn enough japanese to communicate fluently in the business world I would move there in a heartbeat, but finding that sort of intensive programming in my area is probably impossible. There are at least a few japanese companies I'd like to work for. .
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Re: China is Hell. .
Sun, November 22, 2009 - 10:25 PM
The biggest polluter in the world is the United States. Besides unsafe drinking water and many other problems, the U.S. is the single biggest contributor to global warming in the world. The historic output of China doesn't even come close to the United States. Nor does China's per-capita output, which is about a quarter of that of the United States. Global warming is the single biggest threat to the planet and humanity.
Some pictures environmental hell made in the USA:
"Depleted" Uranium Birth Defect
www.alternet.org/environment/39723
Mountain Top Removal
www.banktrack.org/assets/pi...emoval.jpg
Mountain Top Removal
isiria.files.wordpress.com/2009...1.jpg
Clear Cut
seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub...1.html
LA Smog
oceanworld.tamu.edu/resource...mog-1.jpg
LA Smog
disc.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/nrt/oc...g-2.jpg
Garbage Dump
scavenging.files.wordpress.com/20...jpg
Coal Ash Dump
www.nytimes.com/2009/01/07...sludge.html
