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this is one of the most fantastic antidepressents out there...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scel..._tortuosum
Sceletium tortuosm is known to elevate mood and decrease anxiety, stress and tension. It has also been used as an appetite suppressant by shepherds walking long distances in arid areas. In intoxicating doses it can cause euphoria, initially with stimulation and later with sedation. Users also report increased personal insight, interpersonal ease and a meditative, grounded feeling without any perceptual dulling. Having such properties Sceletium is classified as an empathogen type herb. Others have noted enhanced tactile and sexual response, as well as vivid dream inducing properties. High doses produce distinct inebriation and stimulation often followed by sedation. The plant is not hallucinogenic, contrary to some literature on the subject, and no adverse effects have been documented. Kanna is considered a potentiator (enhancer of effects) for other psychoactive herbal material.


[edit] Pharmacology
Main article: Mesembrine

Mesembrine, one of the five known psychoactive compounds in Sceletium tortuosumS. tortuosum can cause significant mood-elevation and anxiolytic (anti-anxiety) action. In doses as low as 50 mg users have reported improvements in mood, decreased anxiety, relaxation and a sense of well-being. At higher dosages near 100 mg, kanna acts as a calming euphoriant and empathogen.[citation needed]

The alkaloids contained in S. tortuosum believed to possess psychoactivity include: mesembrine, mesembrenone, mesembrenol and tortuosamine.[2] Mesembrine is a major alkaloid present in Sceletium tortuosum, which has been shown to be a potent serotonin reuptake inhibitor (more so than imipramine),[3] and a PDE4-inhibitor (less so than rolipram).[4]

Sceletium tortuosum contains about 1-1.5% total alkaloids. There is about 0.3% mesembrine in the leaves and 0.86% in the stems of the plant.[1]

i took one form the root of the matter company online... wow they have great products... thsi stuff works amazingly well... amazing....
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    Tue, December 2, 2008 - 10:05 PM
    oh and you can smoke it snort it make it into a tea and take it in pill form... alot of times they take them and ferment them then powder it and put the powder in gum chewing it and swallowing the saliva. a freind of mine who lived with the masi chewed it this way all the time, she loved it...
    any anti depressent that also works as an empathogen as well as somthing that can be worked with for gaining insight into your life, beat damn near any chemical ssri on the market...
    makes ya horney too... heheheh...
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      Wed, December 3, 2008 - 9:33 PM
      I LOVE it love it love it.

      It is so fast acting and so little is needed.
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        Wed, December 3, 2008 - 11:01 PM
        i know... i feel great!
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          Tue, December 23, 2008 - 2:42 PM
          Hello nice people! If you like Kanna maybe wanna check DELOSPERMA BOSSERANUM, is a plant from Madagascar with similar alkaloids, some say its stronger. The seeds germinate easily (not like kanna) and grows faster too. Very easy plant to grow and produce lots of seeds.
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            Tue, December 23, 2008 - 3:19 PM
            welcome ariom! thanks for the addition of info. have you grown the plant you speak of?

            llb- what is a good source for kanna? whats the going price,etc.?
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              Wed, December 24, 2008 - 2:18 AM
              the good quality kanna is a bit spendy. I am getting it for 450 a kilo, but its the highest quality extract ive ever had...
              www.therootofthematter.ca/
              this guy only seels the highest quality herbals out there... hes funny as hell too... but his stiff is out of this world... no matter what you get from him, its the best. you can get a bottle of caps from him for alittle over 20$ its the best though... it actually tastes sweet on the tongue...sooo good.
              right now that seems to be the best source...
              now that ice plant sounds interesting... so it has more of the same alkaloids as kanna does? and is more effective? this is very interesting indeed...
              I know bouncing bear botanicals is selling ice plant...
              www.bouncingbearbotanicals.com/sl...tml
              but thats not the same plant you mentioned...
              do you know of any suppliers of this one you mention?
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                Thu, January 1, 2009 - 12:52 PM
                About Delosperma: I never buy the plant material or extract, only the seeds... they grow well and i take some in Autumn (as i read somewhere that its when they have more alkaloids). The best part (net information) its the root, like a carrot, i intend to dry them, but so far i eat them raw (not good taste, but not very bad) and it works well as anxiolytic. Never tested the leaves yet. I also read that older carrots are stronger, must check this next Autumn.

                My experience with both kanna powder and Delosperma carrots: The kanna powder i buy some time ago have the stronger effect, stronger also than my homemade kanna powder (maybe due to sun exposition of the plants, age of the plants or preparation...its my first try), but the carrots of Delosperma i eat are not dry... so, not so concentrated. Even so they are effective, more effective than my homemade Kanna powder, i think this carrots (even eated raw and young) are good medicine. A sort of subtle and long lasting effect.


                Hope this helps.
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                Mon, January 19, 2009 - 4:35 PM
                > I am getting it for 450 a kilo, but its the highest quality extract ive ever had

                Extracts are not as good as the leaf. I don't see why you would want to use an extract anyway, the plant is so potent that there is no need for a higher concentration. You don't need caps either, it's more efficient chewed than ingested and doesn't taste bad at all.
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                  Thu, January 22, 2009 - 11:05 AM
                  I would love to get the leaf and have the leaf be good quality... but im not able to grow right now... and i was getting powdered extract to mix with honey...
                  yah do what cha gots ta do
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                Wed, February 4, 2009 - 4:55 PM
                I don't see where you are getting the extract. The root of the matter seems to only sell kana capsules not extract.

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                  Wed, February 4, 2009 - 5:52 PM
                  the caps are an extract.
                  really good quality actually... highly effective.
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                    Thu, February 5, 2009 - 12:57 AM
                    I'm gettting the fermented leaf for $9.80 per 10 g. 10 g is 200 servings.
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                      Fri, February 6, 2009 - 9:39 AM
                      thats a good deal if its high quality and effective. I have gotten "fermented" leaf from quite a few different sources. I had not felt effects however until I tried the stuff from the root of the matter. that goes for alot of his stuff as well. like his rhodiola rosea I have to take 10 of them to feel its effects, but only one of his caps. So i like that price Dzikus, hows the quality?
                      could you hook me up with the source I would like to try it so I can offer it through my practice.
                      I am doing counseling with an emphasis on non-pharmy alternatives to anxiety and depression meds...
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                        Fri, February 6, 2009 - 11:17 AM
                        I'm satisfied with the quality but have no first-hand experience with other sources so can't compare.
                        My source is Maya Ethnobotanicals based in NL.
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                          Fri, February 6, 2009 - 11:48 AM
                          Ah yeah I know those guys...
                          I used to moderate on the ayahuasca forum for their market place. I got to know lots of those fellows... maya has good stuff typically.
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                            Fri, February 6, 2009 - 11:55 AM
                            now if your interested in some really powerful extractions of kanna...
                            checkout ethnogardens extracts...
                            Kanna Sceletium tortuosum pure isolate ** (80% Mesembrine 5mg/ml) Mesmebrine
                            www.ethnogarden.com/botanica...rine.html
                            prices are in Canadian...
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                              Fri, February 6, 2009 - 1:09 PM
                              I've heard of ethnogarden in the context of Iboga and ibogaine, I don't doubt their kanna extracts are potent but still I don't see the advantage of using micrograms of drops over milligrams of powdered leaf... And I've read reports that the extracts are missing something from the full alkaloid spectrum... Whatever works for you :)
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                                Sat, February 7, 2009 - 6:12 PM
                                its true some extract that are actually isolation of specific alkaloids are going to miss specific aspects of the plants full chemical range. it depends on what your going for.
                                i beleive that the extracts from root of the matter are not isloated chemicals but full plant extractions, like a dehydrated tincture.
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                                  Sun, February 8, 2009 - 6:29 PM
                                  ive been wondering what would happen if kanna was taken along side 5htp.... its not like other SSRIs so i am curious... if it should or shouldnt be avoided as a combo.
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              Thu, January 1, 2009 - 11:23 AM
              Yes I have. After trying to grow Kanna by seed without results... kanna is easy to grow by cuttings... but dificult by seeds... then i try the Delosperma B. seeds from a ebay vendor with sucess.

              Heres the link:

              cgi.ebay.com.my/200-DELOSP....m153.l1262


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                Thu, January 1, 2009 - 2:11 PM
                Thanks for the info and link, this sounds intresting.
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                  Thu, January 1, 2009 - 9:19 PM
                  the type of root your describing is technically called a tap root... a carrot is a tap root.
                  but yeah thats really really interesting...
                  so that would mean that the delosperma doesnt have the oxalic acid in it that the Kanna has... which would also mean theres no need for fermentation of the delopserma... no fermentation, no oxalic acid, and longerr strongerr effects.... sounds good to me!
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                    Fri, January 2, 2009 - 3:10 AM
                    I think the root its like a carrot because the plants are young, with age the "flesh" of the carrot will turn more woody... ( www.sukkulente-akzente.de/image...m2.jpg ) then maybe cant be eated like a fresh carrot anymore...
                    About the oxalic acid, i think the leaves dont have, but never tested this. The step i will pass certainly if theres no oxalic acid is the heat step.

                    About the longer effects i said, maybe are due to the method of consumption (eating)...
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                      Fri, January 2, 2009 - 12:19 PM
                      great pic... so that pic is of an exposed tap root that has grown woody? and thats a delosperma eh?
                      I eat my kanna in pill form... though i am sure it would be more effective if taken sublingualy.
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                        Fri, January 2, 2009 - 12:46 PM
                        You also could snort or smoke Kanna. Smoked mix with the "herb" (in the old times) anulate the paranoia and makes a overall better experience.
                        Snorted the powder its fast acting and you dont need much for a effect.
                        Kanna is very flexible! But take care because adiction is possible if you use it too frequently.
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                          Fri, January 2, 2009 - 1:05 PM
                          Ive snorted it... and smoked it... i got confusion and anxiety for a few minutes after snorting its...

                          I think that the addictive aspect of it is because of psychological reasons not physiological ones...
                          I think that people can become dependent on antidepressants because they are afriad to face their day and problems with out them... its the fear of your emotions being in control for a day or a moment instead of you being in control of your emotions that's the issue not addiction. I really dont think there is anything addictive about kanna out side of the fact that antidepressents are just some thing mpeople get emotionally dependent upon.
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                            Fri, January 2, 2009 - 5:05 PM
                            I prefere to eat it too, or put some in a gum, is more a gentle kind of effect. But if i remember well smoking kanna with the "herb" could turn a coach lock indica in a uplifting sativa whithout paranoia.

                            About addiction, theres some reports of people who suffer from that... take a look in erowids kanna vault.

                            For my experience, when you have it in your pocket, its not dificult to do more than one time a day... like the first day, trying all the three ways to see whats the best... if you do this for lots of days you are asking for some kind of addiction, and even a psychological or emotional one its not nice.

                            Beter to eat or chewing once in a while. Could be great in a normal day or in a party day, but now i use it (the Delosperma, dont have kanna now) more like a medicine in ocasions i must dissolve some clouds in the mind to do something. It works very well that way.




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                              Fri, January 2, 2009 - 5:45 PM
                              Ive been taking a lot of it... for the last month... its been a very anxiety ridden time with lots of stress and depression as well...
                              its been helpful...

                              my note on it being addictive... ive read the erowid accounts... those peoples experiences are no indication of kanna being addictive... thats just their subjective point of view. addiction is a very complex issue... from their descriptions i would say that they found it habit forming... mostly due to the fact that they seemed to have problems with compulsion... that means those people have addictive behaviors... that doesnt mean however that kanna is addictive...
                              pot is not addicitive... yet people become addicted to it... why? because they have a problem with compulsive behavior and would probably have addicitions to gambling or anything that felt good....
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                                Fri, January 2, 2009 - 8:55 PM
                                Sorry to hear that...

                                English is not my native language, so i can make mistakes, for me habit forming and addicton its like the same. But look in wikipedia:
                                The term "addiction" is used in many contexts to describe an obsession, compulsion, or excessive physical dependence or psychological dependence en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addiction

                                Im not a expert on kanna, i only try to share the litle i know, because I like to read your posts and the posts of other interesting people around here.

                                Well, people use medical ssri, afterall maybe kanna could be used as a regular medicine... but take care, because these kind of treatment have nasty side effects en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoxetine

                                My best vibes to you brother. Hei, you are my only friend here!
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        Wed, December 24, 2008 - 9:09 PM
        Parad, any sense of the energetics, etc.? Have you used it in combination with other herbs? - - David
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          Fri, January 2, 2009 - 9:41 PM
          In the sense that it has such a curious action and that it is a succulent I am thinking that it is a specific for heart yin and Qi. Chinese herbalist would LOVE this stuff.
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            Fri, January 2, 2009 - 9:51 PM
            thanks ariom!
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              Thu, January 22, 2009 - 12:36 AM
              As much as I love kanna I think anything that is a true heart/yin "tonic" will boost said energetics in the long term not the (very)short term...You could say it temporarily moves qi too...Someone told me that kanna is like a loaded gun and then you smoke some wild dagga while on it and it rockets you, but I haven't tried that yet- mental note: try that soon
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                Fri, February 6, 2009 - 5:17 PM
                too often, people misunderstand the function of heart yin, and ascribe only drug-like effects. With all tonic medicines, what is sought, is boundless energy, thought clear as light, and the ability to transform and transmit this essential clear light. In Tibetian Medicine, it is called
                The Vajra Body (The Thunderbolt Body). One of the most important funtions of essential yin, is its ability for it to support and give a base too, the manifestation of Sunlight Yang. The sun above the clouds. Without a sustaining base, there is no attainment or energy that has any stamina or endurance. It will be short- lived, and of momentary value only.

                in my own work, i have found the definitions of entheogenic yin and yang to be highly confused. yin and yang are ascribed according to personal reflection of experience, rather than being catagorized by taste, action, appearance and manifestation. Some orders of thought
                ascibe spiritual values to the Yin principle, followed with defining yin to the actions of their plant or medicine of refrence. For example, many people feel marijuana to be yin. It is not, it is lubricating, and warm. When smoked, it is now a hot medicine. But because of its stoning and relaxing effects, people may say it is yin. many people allocate such differences with san pedro, and iboga, and kratom, mushrooms, aya, etc.

                just an observational 2 cents while in the area...........
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                  Fri, February 6, 2009 - 5:19 PM
                  so, what i am getting at, is, is there a pulse reader hear that has some input on the qualities (energetically) of kanna, in TCM terms?
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                    Tue, February 17, 2009 - 12:36 PM
                    Marijuana moves qi, enhances the functions of sersorial jing- temporarily, it dries up these same jing and leaves an oily(phlegmy) residue...You could say that both psilo mushrooms and mesc cacti detoxify, open meridians and moves qi, cacti are more stimulating mushrooms make you sleepy in the beginning so you could say psilo yin, cacti yang...Yin and yang just depend on what you are talking about everything is yin and yang in different ways...You could say sativa pot is yang and indica yin in terms of effect...Anything that makes your body feel lighter and happier is moving qi, but if it only does it short-term it is not "tonic" to those qualities, sometimes the reverse like cocaine.
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                      Tue, March 3, 2009 - 6:24 PM
                      I love ya bro but I disagree about kanna. The effects seem to be cumulative and long lasting and it feels like some really good Shi Hu to me.
                      Putting everything into the category of chi mover doesn't seem right to me.
                      Sure pot is good for reducing nausea ( qi mover) treating generalized pain ( qi mover) and helping to release stagnant emotions when used appropriately ( qi mover) but Kanna doesn't seem even remotely like cannabis.
                      I put it there with long yan rou , tian mien dong, Shi Hu and others that actually have a tonic action on the heart.

                      The whole yin yang thing gets confusing because of the difference between Japanese maco diet and Chinese medicine.
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                        Tue, March 3, 2009 - 8:28 PM
                        Bingo.

                        so it feels like shi hu to you? its one of my favorites.
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                          Wed, March 4, 2009 - 12:49 AM
                          any psychoactive substance is well psycho active... the way it acts is based on how you think about it... they are all extremely responsive to subjective reactions... so keep that in mind...
                          if the way you relate to Mary jane.. is from a stagnent chi way of relating... well the dude abides...
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    Sun, March 15, 2009 - 10:26 PM
    Does anyone know about mixing and alternating between herbal SSRIs and herbal MAOIs?

    I've been thinking about trying this kanna for my low serotonin levels, but the delosperma sounds good too. Would there be any risk in cycling them? If not, how long should I wait before starting a different herbal SSRI after stopping the other? Can I keep cycling between the two (or just keep using one); do I need to take a break from all serotonin related supplements after while?

    Also, I'm interested in taking Rhodiola too, but according to wikipedia it "optimizes serotonin and dopamine levels due to monoamine oxidase inhibition" (acts like a MAOi) - I heard it's not good to take with kanna - Should I avoid it with delosperma and other herbal SSRIs too? I know alternating between prescription MAOis and SSRIs is supposed to be avoided for something like 30 days... would this apply as strictly in the herbal world?
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      Sun, March 15, 2009 - 10:43 PM
      Check out THH its not a MAOI its a RIMA or a Reversible inhibitor of monoamine oxidase type-A.
      you can take it sublingually... at about 20 mg at that dose range and that route of administration it is pretty cheap...
      THH is extracted from ayahuasca vines actually...
      flowingvisions.ecrater.com/product.php
      from wikipedia...

      Reversible inhibitors of monoamine oxidase type-A (RIMAs) are a family of psychiatric drugs and natural compounds that inhibit monoamine oxidase temporarily and reversibly. They are mostly used for alleviating depression and dysthymia. Because their action is short-lived and selective, they have a better safety profile than the older MAOIs.

      Moclobemide, brofaromine, and some beta-carbolines, such as harmaline, are examples of RIMAs.[1][2]

      [edit] Functionality and safety

      RIMAs, a subset of monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOIs), inhibit only isoenzyme A and are reversible. They are displaced from monoamine oxidase in the presence of tyramine,[1] rather than inhibiting its breakdown in the liver as general MAOIs do. Additionally, isoenzyme B remains free and continues to metabolize tyramine in the stomach, although this is less significant than the liver action. Thus, a special diet does not need to be so strictly adhered to, although eating excessively large amounts of tyramine-containing foods is not advisable.

      While safer than general MAOIs, RIMAs still have highly dangerous and sometimes fatal interactions with many common drugs; in particular, they can cause serotonin syndrome when combined with almost any antidepressant or stimulant (prescribed or not), common migraine medications, certain herbs, or even most cold medicines (including decongestants, antihistamines, and cough syrup).
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        Sun, March 15, 2009 - 10:44 PM
        THH is also at the same time a Weak SSRI much like kanna in that regard... interesting no?
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          Sun, March 15, 2009 - 10:57 PM
          the most common report from THH is that it creates a calm meditative feeling... with side effects of clarity.
          a gram of the stuff costs... $47.45 thats about 50 doses thats about 95 cents a sublingual dose of 20mg... a threshold dose is 15mg... so thats 66 doses...
          50 cents more expensive then prozac... but much more worth it...
          I would only take it when one is feeling depression or anxiety...
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            Mon, March 16, 2009 - 3:26 PM
            A more balanced alternative to purified THH would be to brew up some Caapi (without reducing) and drink a microdose (2-5 g) every day. It is reported to work wonders for depression.
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              Mon, March 16, 2009 - 6:03 PM
              So some say...
              my only beef with that is that harmine and harmaline in the vine tend to be a little intoxicating... where as THH is not.
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                Mon, March 16, 2009 - 10:10 PM
                intresting thoughts here. hmmmm. there really is an answer somewhere in here, to treating some forms of depression. LLB- do you have a preffered source of kanna? what should i get to try?
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                  Mon, March 16, 2009 - 10:12 PM
                  OH- and i wanted to say - i sent some gold and silene to Parad, and he sent me the most delightful goodie box of kratom products i have had the pleasure of perusing - i always highly reccomend his company and quality. (Thanks Bro!!!!!)
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                  Mon, March 16, 2009 - 11:02 PM
                  yeah prada is a good guy...

                  well the only Kanna that I tried that i felt was effective was from the root of the matter.com I could feel the effects, though i feel now my tolerances is to large to get much from it... and i take it very rarely now but the tolerance is still there so it seems.

                  I really feel strongly though about the THH though... i really think that it could really do the trick for a lot of folks...
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                    Tue, March 17, 2009 - 11:50 AM
                    Thanks for the THH info. After reading some threads on other forums from people trying THH I've become curious in trying it, along with the harmine and harmaline from that same vendor. All 3 of these from that site can be taken safely sublingually right? Although... Do I need to buy a scale to measure out the mg? =/

                    btw, that's odd about the kanna tolerance. Is it possible it has normalized your serotonin levels? If so (in the case of an herbal ssri or thh), do you just stop use and wait awhile (1-2weeks?) until your serotonin levels go back down again? Or, in a chronic case of low serotonin/depression/anxiety, would you maintain them with a kanna/thh and just not get the "high" effects from them? (I'm obviously not too familiar with neurotransmitters..)
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                      Tue, March 17, 2009 - 12:03 PM
                      Well its possible that it did normalize my seratonin... im not sure... i was kinda taking it recreationally to be honest because it does feel good...
                      i took some kanna last night with still no effect... so who knows on that one...

                      with the harmine harmaline and THH i know of no tollerence that comes from that at all. continued use does seem to permanently help normalize peoples moods though. people have been cured of chronic depression from ayahuasca i know that...
                      now taking them sublingually with out a trptamine to produce actual ayahausca i dont know how that would effect on long term but my intuitions says that it would help. my thought is that if one only took it when one was feelin down sublingually then one would see long term results after a while.

                      Yes I would defintely get a mg scale for measuring out dosages. you do not want to over do it with the harmine and harmaline it will make one intoxicated, groggy, and nauseas, vomiting. not so with the THH though.
                      people take THH orally to potentiate trptamines in a sort of capsulated ayahuasca analog with out vomiting or feeling nausea at 200mg, but with harmine and harmaline thats not so. sublingually though people take both and it seems to avoid that. but when you take somthing sublingually you take it a much lower dosages...

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                        Tue, March 17, 2009 - 12:07 PM
                        IF one does not wish to buy a scale... my advice is to take a razor blade dump the chemicals on a plate and make an even line... ahem... then cut the line into 50 even sized small piles. one gram of THH would equal out to be 50 doses at 20 mg 66.66 doses at 15 milligrams and so on... this is really only advise able when your working with somthing that has a LOW dose response curve. some medicines have a high dose response curve. meaning an additional milligram is going to increase the effects, duration ect... some things this is seriously not appropriate for, but with THH and the others betacarbolines you would be working with it... giving or taking a few mgs isnt going to hurt you at all.
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                      Wed, April 1, 2009 - 8:29 PM
                      Please be careful with the harmaline.


                      BTW it is also REALLY yucky tasting so please keep that in mind.
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                        Thu, April 2, 2009 - 1:19 PM
                        Thanks, I got a 0.001g scale to be safe.

                        Back on the original subject kanna, I actually got the kanna from The Root of the Matter and have been taking 1-4 pills every day for a week. I've felt nothing so far. I've tried sublingual, but only for 10 minutes, eating, and snorting.

                        The most I've felt was a little mind-numb from snorting 2 of them, but it was short lasting and not euphoric.

                        Also a note about how I'm trying kanna (and other herbal supplements) orally - Because I'm not good at swallowing pills, I empty the kanna from the pill into a little water and swallow... There should be no problems with this way of absorption right?
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                          Sat, April 4, 2009 - 4:51 AM
                          I've been using it for about a month, little more, and i love it. Two of root of the matter caps still get me off very well thanks. I feel the effects of one easily. This has done me more good than any herb ever with possible.....ok likely exception of cannabis. It is very good aid to yoga and meditation! Big thanks to LLB for turning me on to this!

                          I recently read the food safety act to check out fears that were circulating all over the net, and halfway through i realized i was effortlessly focusing on it and understanding it , which i would have had a lot of trouble with before kanna.

                          I am an aspie, and have atypical brain, perhaps that is part of the difference.

                          The way you are taking it sounds fine to me, george, and i'm sure that is not part of the difference in effect.
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                            Sun, April 5, 2009 - 11:53 AM
                            yeah i dont care for harmaline personally...

                            george... well you may not need kanna... if it doesnt work.
                            Kanna doesnt work for me any more. i needed it when i was having A LOT of anxiety from unemployment problems ect... and yeah now i dont need it... and when i take it, it has no effect on me.

                            So theres that...

                            glad its helping you WIL!!!
                            • Unsu...
                               

                              Re: kanna herbal ssri

                              Sun, April 5, 2009 - 5:44 PM
                              im on a budget, LLB, you have a tiny amount of extra you would sell me, so i can give it a little try, before buying an expensive amount?
                              • Unsu...
                                 

                                Re: kanna herbal ssri

                                Sun, April 5, 2009 - 8:21 PM
                                well bro we could do a trade i suppose... i have a few i could send you sure.
                                • Unsu...
                                   

                                  Re: kanna herbal ssri

                                  Sun, April 5, 2009 - 9:17 PM
                                  If it sounds good. i got lots of 5:1 extracts. No biggie if not. Have a great evening dude. have you got a pixie t shirt of my persuasion ready yet? :)

                                  i can see it now: the bio-regional pixie movement.......
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                                    Re: kanna herbal ssri

                                    Mon, April 6, 2009 - 5:54 PM
                                    lol...

                                    heheheh... well i dont have a shirt of your persuasion yet... im going to leave that to you to find me a good pic and send it my way.
                                    yeah man im down with a trade if you like. PM me your addy again and I will send them in da mail to yah.
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                                      Re: kanna herbal ssri

                                      Tue, April 7, 2009 - 6:05 PM
                                      oh and hey as a surprise surprise surprise i got you a 100 plugs of Fungi perfecti reshi plugs... I will send you the instructions on how to work with them too...
                                      if you have some ephedra to trade that would be nice...
                                      • Unsu...
                                         

                                        Re: kanna herbal ssri

                                        Fri, April 10, 2009 - 9:44 PM
                                        that sounds real cool, the type of medicine i would love to see grow.

                                        let me look, and see if i can find a bit of ephedra. i could 'find' some with an old friend of mine too,

                                        you know how to find me, if the post office occures! hee hee.
                                        • Harmaline

                                          Fri, April 17, 2009 - 1:08 AM
                                          150mg of Harmaline freebase under the tongue brings hightened colours and a smooth dreamy kind of state' if taken daily' it works as a mild anti-depressant'
                                          No take it before going to bed' it just makes you irritable and unable to sleep' a very long acting substance Harmaline'

                                          I can get no thing off Kanna what so ever'

                                          Bliss

                                          Nobuoni +

                                          Freebase Harmols work way better than than HCL's' taste absolutely bitter' disgusting' of which becomes part of the experience if you dose 50 mg under the tongue every hour'
                                          After much experimention with Harmols' I can no take salt with them' I get swollen hands and high blood pressure'
                                          As to foods' certain beans containing' L-dopa give high blood pressure also' these are the only foods I have found to no agree with RIMA's'
                                          • Unsu...
                                             

                                            Re: Harmaline

                                            Sat, April 18, 2009 - 9:53 AM
                                            the other night my fiance who suffers from serious depression took 40mg of sublingual THH and its knocked her off of her anxiety and depression loop... only side effect was mild stomache upset.. but nothing serious.
                                            I explained to her that this was a spiritual medicine and that if she wanted to sit and work with the feelings she would have much greater results... but as it was it worked very well.
                                            no other psychoactive effects where noticed.
                                            • Re: Harmaline

                                              Sun, April 19, 2009 - 12:57 PM
                                              Very good work bro'
                                              I have done a bit of work reasontly with these moles' low dose is very effective and bringing about a lift to mood an a clearing of stuck energies'

                                              Blessings

                                              Nobuoni +
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                                                smoking caapi leaves...

                                                Mon, April 20, 2009 - 4:04 PM
                                                another anti depressant that I would like to recommend is just smoking a J of good ol fashioned banesteriopsis caapi leaves, which is also a nice source of harmine and Tetra hydro harmine and none of the foggy ol harmaline... which is a good thing too... smoking the leaves is nice because you are getting the RIMA alkaliods directly to the brains inhibiting MAOI in the brain as apposed to the stomache a much more desirable place for mao inhibition if your attempting to work with it as an anti depressent.. smoking the leaves will bring about an instant effect as well..
                                                leavs can be bought even on ebay and are cheaper and longer lasting then the vine. vine can also be smoked in shavings but you will have harmaline in it which can be mentally clouding and foggy...
                                                • Unsu...
                                                   

                                                  Re: smoking caapi leaves...

                                                  Mon, April 20, 2009 - 9:00 PM
                                                  i was thinking about getting some caapi leaves, thanks for the tips.
                                                  • Re: smoking caapi leaves...

                                                    Mon, April 20, 2009 - 9:38 PM
                                                    Blooming expensive' for 1/2 oz' plus postage'
                                                    Another source needs must be found'
                                                    Would be interesting to brew bitter tea from 4-5 oz' see of how it compares to vine experience'

                                                    Blessings

                                                    Nobuoni +

                                                    Purhaps I could purchase bulk from Peru' grate then through a sieve and flog em like Kratom :))) he he he
                                                    Soup .:)
                                                    • Re: smoking caapi leaves...

                                                      Tue, April 21, 2009 - 4:34 AM
                                                      Caapi leaves are often added to the Aya brew (10:1 vine to leaf ratio). This reportedly adds a certain visual quality to the brew, such as energy lines, auras around people, etc., which may help identify illness and locate spots in the body that need healing.

                                                      I bought 50 g of the leaf a couple months ago from Maya, but they don't seem to carry it anymore.

                                                      A brew made solely with the Caapi leaf and a light bearing plant would work, but you'd need more leaf than you do vine (perhaps 50% more?). The reports I've read describe the spirit of the leaf as younger, lighter, less grounding and less experienced than the vine.

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