I am very concerned about Codex and the implications it can have on our Canadians rights and freedom. Under Codex all nutrients and herbs are labelled as toxic and will be illegal.(as illegal as heroin) Canada is required to comply with codex by DEC.31 2009 or the WTO which implements Codex will put up trade sanctions against Canada. We must not let Codex get implemented. We need to start sending letters and getting petitions signed NOW to stop Codexs standards from being implemented here in Canada and the rest of the world. I have added a Video which outlines what we must do to stop codex. Please Help and get the Canadian public to be aware of Codex and the horrible implications it could have on our lives.
video.google.ca/videoplay
Please watch this video it will inform you of exactly what Codex is and what it is trying to do and how we can fight it.
Again, we must stop this now before it's to late and our human rights to take nutritional supplements and herbs is taken away and our right to hormone free meat and milk and organic vegetables is taken away.
I need your help all Canadians need your help. Inform the Canadian Public about Codex and get the petitions started to stop them.
Sincerely,
Brittany
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Sun, February 10, 2008 - 5:50 AMI always thought Canada was more liberal in this regard Than the U.S., I guess not.
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Sun, February 10, 2008 - 8:07 AMThis is accually going to happen all over the world the USA is under thats same date. Watch the film. It's really sc ary this is a regulation thats they are trying to place for the entire world not just canada.
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Sun, February 10, 2008 - 8:33 AMDon't worry. The sky is not falling. Most if not all of the alarmism about this is the work of two, and only two people. Rima Laibow and her husband. There is little to no danger of what she is talking about coming to happen. It's not even planned.
See my post about this in the shamanism tribe for some thought points. Then do some googleing on this issue and see what others are saying about this. People in the natural health care field.
This codex stuff has been going around for a number of years, same story, different year numbers. Same source. You might ask yourselves why that is so. -
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Sun, February 10, 2008 - 8:41 AMwww.healthfreedomusa.org/index.php
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Sun, February 10, 2008 - 1:37 PMAgain, find some info on this outside of Laibow's site. You won't, or if you do it will be something she wrote that got reposted.
Spin your wheels if you want to, but do some intelligent research. So far you're just accepting one person's self-intere$ted propaganda.
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Sun, February 10, 2008 - 1:48 PMRichard is correct, Laibow and Stubblebine are disinformation artists. Check the links I posted in this thread:
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Sun, February 10, 2008 - 7:13 PMI am filled with rage when someone profits from misinformation.................. -
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Mon, February 11, 2008 - 1:37 PMAre you kidding! that video is hilarious...I can't believe someone would believe them (no offense, but) it is sooo orchestrated....LMAO -
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Mon, February 11, 2008 - 3:14 PMGreetings. While I do believe that the folks at Natural Solutions are going about the process in way that is not helpful, some of the information they provide is useful. I have tried to contact them directly to suggest they reconsider how they are approaching this, as they do have energy and stamina and if they would switch their strategy they could be really helpful. They have not responded.
There are real concerns about freedom of health care and I have been trying to track them. But I tell you they are so all over the map it is difficult to stay on top of it. Anyway, if you are intersted in health care freedom I think the best approach is to find out what is happening locally in your area. There are advocates all over the US and I would suspect Canada as well, who are more grounded than these folks. Sorry I can't refer you to resources in Canada, but most states in the US have Freedom of Health Care Coalitions.
These groups work on local issues, but are often aware of national and international issues as well. For example here in Wisconsin the Freedom of Health Care group is working to defeat a bill which was recently presented to the legislature that would prohibit anyone, but a licensed dietician from talking to patients/clients etc about food choices. This leaves out herbalist, natropaths, chiroparctors nurse pratitioners and other health care providers. This is being promoted by the American Dietician Association as a way to protect the public. Groups like the ADA and I do trust that there are international groups trying to impact our access to good food as well as supplements, go about their business in sneaky and unsuspecting ways. So I would not just write this off entirely, I would look around and see what tangible information you can find and work from there. Starting locally is a good idea.
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Mon, February 11, 2008 - 3:57 PM"I have tried to contact them directly to suggest they reconsider how they are approaching this, as they do have energy and stamina and if they would switch their strategy they could be really helpful. They have not responded."
Because they have no real interest in health freedom.
And you are absolutely correct that there are real concerns about the freedom of health care. Some have speculated that Laibow and Stubblebine create their little diversions to draw attention away from the real issues and to brand health freedom advocates as excitable idiots.
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Mon, February 11, 2008 - 4:52 PMI don't want to sound too conspiracy oriented, but I have a feeling that the world's drug companies have grown too large, and powerful. Eliminating peoples access to safe, natural, alternative medicines gives more power to those that seek to control the population at large. If our health and well-being rests in our own hands, then we have an advantage. I don't know how to stop the fascism that is spreading to every corner of the globe, but I do know that if we don't act soon, we won't be able to act at all. I hope that we can all pull together in these uncertain times, to challenge the greed that has corrupted our planet. -
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Mon, February 11, 2008 - 5:18 PMBelow is a link to the national health freedom organiztion. You can find good information here and a link to groups in your state that are working on this.
www.nationalhealthfreedom.org/
Just a note: if you know how to harvest your own herbs and food ultimately this will not have the impact it will if you remain dependent on supplements etc. So go take an herb walk, learn some plants. Not saying we shouldn't advocate we should for sure, but it does ultimately rest in our own hands.
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Tue, February 12, 2008 - 9:52 PMyes...grow herbs...grow food...grow everything....unplug from the shystem....
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Wed, February 13, 2008 - 8:36 PMThanks Linda great post. How codex is trying to get implemented is by the WTO adopting codexs policies and then making every country follow them who is a part of the WTO or they face trade sanctions from the WTO for not adopting Codexs policies. I'll put some really good links on here tomorrow for everyone to check out. -
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Wed, February 13, 2008 - 8:50 PMHi Britany,
Is this information coming from people other than the Natural Solutions Foundation? I would like information that is from a more credible source. I am concerned about these issues, but not sure the perspective these folks are putting out there is acurate.
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Thu, February 14, 2008 - 2:36 PMfrom www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/dscodex.html
"What has been the U.S. position on these Guidelines?
The U.S. supports consumer choice and access to dietary supplements that are safe and labeled in a truthful and non-misleading manner. The Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994 (DSHEA) ensures that a broad array of dietary supplements are available to U.S. consumers. The Codex Guidelines for Vitamin and Mineral Food Supplements do not, in any way, affect the availability of supplement products to U.S. consumers."
From the Health Freedom USA page 14 things about codex:
"The organization was born in 1962 when the UN established the Codex Alimentarius Commission (CAC) as a “Trade Commission”"
And from www.fao.org/docrep/w9114...htm#TopOfPage , here's a bit more thorough and accurate historical information:
"1960
- The first FAO Regional Conference for Europe endorses the desirability of international - as distinct from regional - agreement on minimum food standards and invites the Organization's Director-General to submit proposals for a joint FAO/WHO programme on food standards to the Conference of FAO
1961
- The Council of the Codex Alimentarius Europaeus adopts a resolution proposing that its work on food standards be taken over by FAO and WHO
1961
- With the support of WHO, the Economic Commission for Europe (ECE), the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) and the Council of the Codex Alimentarius Europaeus, the FAO Conference establishes the Codex Alimentarius and resolves to create an international food standards programme
1961
- The FAO Conference decides to establish a Codex Alimentarius Commission and requests an early endorsement by WHO of a joint FAO/WHO food standards programme
1962
- The Joint FAO/WHO Food Standards Conference requests the Codex Alimentarius Commission to implement a joint FAO/WHO food standards programme and to create the Codex Alimentarius
1963
- Recognizing the importance of WHO's role in all health aspects of food and considering its mandate to establish food standards, the World Health Assembly approves establishment of the Joint FAO/WHO Programme on Food Standards and adopts the statutes of the Codex Alimentarius Commission"
From www.who.int/foodsafety/codex/en/ (World Health Organization)
"The Codex Alimentarius Commission (CAC) is an intergovernmental body to implement the Joint FAO/WHO Food Standards Programme which was established by an FAO Conference resolution in 1961 and a World Health Assembly resolution, WHA 16.42, in 1963. Its principle objective is to protect the health of consumers and to facilitate the trade of food by setting international standards on foods (i.e. Codex Standards) and other texts which can be recommended to governments for acceptance."
Which also directly contradicts the codex 14 points page in several places such as:
"it has absolutely nothing to do with “consumer protection” (point #1)...It was created to regulate, and thus control, every aspect of how food and nutritional supplements are produced and sold to the consumer (point #3)... "
from www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/dscodex.html (Food and Drug Administration)
"What has been the U.S. position on these Guidelines?(ed: notice above on the WHO page the word "recommended")
The U.S. supports consumer choice and access to dietary supplements that are safe and labeled in a truthful and non-misleading manner. The Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994 (DSHEA) ensures that a broad array of dietary supplements are available to U.S. consumers. The Codex Guidelines for Vitamin and Mineral Food Supplements do not, in any way, affect the availability of supplement products to U.S. consumers."
Which contradicts point #3 above as well as point #10:
"The U.S. has a powerful legal tool for health freedom: the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act (DSHEA), passed in 1994 after massive grass-roots action. DSHEA scientifically classifies nutritional supplements as food and prevents dosage restrictions; Codex unscientifically classifies them as toxins and sets ultra-low doses. The VMG violates U.S. law because it violates DSHEA. We must unite to protect DSHEA, our best legal defense against Codex."
And of course the document contradicts itself in two statements I feel are meant to evoke fear:
"Based on Tyrannical Napoleonic Legal Code
Codex is based on the Napoleonic Code, dating back to Bonaparte. Under this code, anything not explicitly permitted is automatically forbidden. Under Common Law (our system), something does not have to be explicitly permitted to be legal. The tyrannical Napoleonic Code allows the banning of natural health options by default."
If something is banned by default, then how does the following work?
"VMG: Banning Our Supplements
Codex is made up of many standards for every aspect of food. One of these standards was ratified (approved) in July 2005: the destructive Codex Alimentarius Vitamin and Mineral Guideline (VMG). The VMG can ban all high potency and clinically effective vitamins & minerals. For example, Vitamin C would be restricted to only a few milligrams per dose. Other nutrients, such as amino acids, are also under threat."
The WHO, the FAO, and the FDA all have made very sensible recommendations about dietary and nutritional issues. One of the most important ones, which all three recommend, is eating fresh, local, seasonal foods. These are some of the most nutritious, vitamin-rich, and herbal/medicinal types of foods you can find. If you follow this advice, then you will get more of the good stuff that you buy vitamin supplements for. Codex does not contradict this advice as far as I can tell, which is what would happen if vitamins were outlawed. Put in jail for eating dandelions, indeed!
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Thu, February 14, 2008 - 2:54 PMThanks Britney. I will look this over. The second link in your post is broken, FYI. I am sure I can find it, but you might want to fix it for others.
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Thu, February 14, 2008 - 5:20 PMI wanted to add some information here:
I found an article-linked below-written by Diane Miller who is a very well respected attorney in the health freedom movement on the topic of Codex. I read it trough once and will need to read it again, but it is very well reasoned, she lays out the issues and potential concerns really well. Diane is very well respected in the Health Freedom movemnet here in the US, so I would tend to respect and trust what she has to say.
www.nationalhealthfreedom.org/Inf...html
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Mon, March 17, 2008 - 7:56 AMHere is a list of the foods that will be effected by this Codex, taken off their official site: www.codexalimentarius.net/gsfao...x.html
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Mon, March 17, 2008 - 8:47 AMAffected in what way? Where? Not in the USA. -
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Thu, May 8, 2008 - 6:50 PMHi from Brittany,
So news for Canada about the war on natural health by big pharma C-51 if you haven't heard well wake up heres what is going on.
((((((POSTED BY : Byron Dreamweaver
"Like your greens and vitamins? email your MP right away.
I just learned about this. The site noted gives good directions and how to act on this.
visit: www.stopc51.com/c51/what_you_can_do.asp
(NaturalNews) A new law being pushed in Canada by Big Pharma seeks to outlaw up to 60 percent of natural health products currently sold in Canada, even while criminalizing parents who give herbs or supplements to their children. The law, known as C-51, was introduced by the Canadian Minister of Health on April 8th, 2008, and it proposes sweeping changes to Canada's Food and Drugs Act that could have devastating consequences on the health products industry.
Among the changes proposed by the bill are radical alterations to key terminology, including replacing the word "drug" with "therapeutic product" throughout the Act, thereby giving the Canadian government broad-reaching powers to regulate the sale of all herbs, vitamins, supplements and other items. With this single language change, anything that is "therapeutic" automatically falls under the Food and Drug Act. This would include bottled water, blueberries, dandelion greens and essentially all plant-derived substances.
The Act also changes the definition of the word "sell" to include anyone who gives such therapeutic products to someone else. So a mother giving an herb to her child, under the proposed new language, could be arrested for engaging in the sale of unregulated, unapproved "therapeutic substances." Learn about more of these freedom-squashing changes to the law at the Stop51.com website:www.stopc51.com
New enforcement powers allow Canadian government to seize your home or business
At the same time that C-51 is outlawing herbs, supplements and vitamins, it would grant alarming new "enforcement" powers to the thugsenforcement agents who claim to be "protecting" the public from dangerous unapproved "therapeutic agents" like, say, dandelion greens. As explained on the www.Educate-Yourself.org website ((educate-yourself.org/cn/canadian...), the C-51 law would allow the Canadian government's thugs enforcement agents to:
• Raid your home or business without a warrant
• Seize your bank accounts
• Levy fines up to $5 million and a jail terms up to 2 years for merely selling an herb
• Confiscate your property, then charge you storage fees for the expense involved in storing all the products they stole from you
C-51 would even criminalize the simple drying of herbs in your kitchen to be used in an herbal product, by the way. That would now be categorized as a "controlled activity," and anyone caught engaging in such "controlled activities" would be arrested, fined and potentially jailed. Other "controlled activities" include labeling bottles, harvesting plants on a farm, collecting herbs from your back yard, or even testing herbal products on yourself! (Yes, virtually every activity involving herbs or supplements would be criminalized...)
There's more, too. C-51 is the Canadian government's "final solution" for the health products industry. It's a desperate effort to destroy this industry that's threatening the profits and viability of conventional medicine. Natural medicine works so well -- and is becoming so widely used -- that both the Canadian and American governments have decided to "nuke" the industries by passing new laws that effectively criminalize anyone selling such products. They simply cannot tolerate allowing consumers to have continued access to natural products. To do so will ultimately spell the destruction of Big Pharma and the outdated, corrupt and criminally-operated pharmaceutical industry that these criminally-operated governments are trying to protect.
Join the rally to protest C-51
On May 9th, 2008, Canadian citizens will be gathering at the Calgary Federal Court to protest C-51 and help protect their access to natural health products. Call 1-888-878-3467 to learn more, or visit the action page of Health Canada Exposed at:www.stopc51.com/c51/what_you_can_do.asp
NaturalNews is looking to hire someone with a good video camera to film the event. We'll gladly pay you to video tape this and send us the resulting file, which we will edit and then post for NaturalNews readers. If you have a video camera (with good audio, hopefully) and can attend the May 9th rally, please contact us at (U.S.) 520-232-9300 for details. If you do film there, be sure to use the camera buddy system, where you have somebody in the distance filming YOU with the camera, so that if Canadian law enforcement thugs decide to assault you and steal your video camera in order to censor the event, then somebody else in the distance has THAT on video! You got that? So there are two cameras working, camera A is filming the rally, and it's very close to the action. Camera B is set back farther from the scene, and it's filming the person holding camera A. This is standard operating practice for filming such events, and it makes it very difficult for government thugs to shut down the video. Often, the person filming with camera B is in a car somewhere, or filming covertly so that they don't attract attention. Zoom lenses help a lot.
In any case, if you manage to get some video of this event, then we'd be thrilled to share it with NaturalNews readers. And like I said, we'll pay for footage, so call us for details. Together, we can help spread the word about this important rally for health freedom in Canada.
Learn more: www.stopC51.com "))))))))
Feel free to e-mail him with your concerns, we have to start contacting our government more with e-mails.......We are the change we seek.
I e-mailed Jack Layton of the NDP about this here is what he said: Layton.J@parl.gc.ca
"Thank you for your e-mail expressing your opposition to the government’s proposed changes to the Food and Drugs Act set out in Bill C-51, and their possible impact on the production and availability of natural health products.
As you can see from the attached speech by NDP Health Critic Judy Wasylycia-Leis, the NDP also has concerns in this regard. We will be pursuing the issue of the treatment of natural health products when the bill goes before the Health Committee in the coming weeks.
C-51 is presently at Second Reading stage and will return for further debate in Parliament when a thorough Committee study is completed.
Overall, the NDP has serious concerns with C-51. When it comes to drug safety and health protection, the NDP puts people and safety ahead of big pharma, large corporations, and global capital forces. We believe that the ‘do no harm’ principle is the best measure of safety and it is the measure we will be applying to this bill.
Again, thank you for taking the time to register your concerns with me.
Sincerely,
Jack Layton, MP Toronto-Danforth
Leader, New Democratic Party of Canada"
<<2008-04-30 - C-51 - Food and Drug Act.pdf>>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you want a cope just e-mail me :) -
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Fri, May 16, 2008 - 4:01 AMThis is a ridiculous non issue that has wasted a lot of time. It takes a little digging to educate yourcellf about this, but please do, before passing on this mis information. Big herbal supplement industry, much of which is big pharma in drag, does not want to be regulated. The regulations are actually a very good thing, not so much for those of us living in developed countries, but for the people living in nations that are totally unregulated in these regards. There has been a lot of misrepresentation of supplements, contamination, and other problems. The codex does not mean that all nutrients and herbs will be labeled as toxic and be illegal. Instead, this warning about the codex is a toxic meme that has been spread all over the internet for years by well meaning people, like this poster, who are carrying water for some people who are not so well meaning. -
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Thu, May 22, 2008 - 6:44 PMDo you wil have some educated facts to show me other than your opinion??????
Don't bother to comment because I'm not looking for personal opinions but FACTS.
Have you contacted your political party and read the act?....................... Obviously not.
Stick to the facts.
I have seen you on a lot of boards you sure do go out of your way to stop people from talking about this................WHY?
Your personal opinion on the subject does not matter but what is actually going on.
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Fri, May 23, 2008 - 4:28 AMDiscuss away to your hearts content. I certainly have no vested interest in this, and have spent a lot of time researching it to come to the conclusion i have come to. Spend your own time and come to your own conclusions.
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Fri, May 23, 2008 - 8:04 PMThe Canadian C-51 issue is a different issue than Codex, and including it under this thread is misleading. The Stopc51.com website at least does not seem to be another front for Laibow and Stubblebine. However, it does appear to be a front for something. The domain is registered with "godaddy" which is an anonymous domain registration. It does show the registrant's name as Ian Stewart. A search shows that he is a director of the Canadian Health Foods Association, a trade group that appears to fear that regulations will cost them money.
I scanned the bill itself... and I'm not Canadian, so have only a limited knowledge of Canadian legal process... and I do see some things that I would be concerned about. The bill seems to be proposing a "Czarist" form of regulation... just as the USA has a "Drug Czar" who has wide ranging powers to schedule drugs and so on, this would create a ministry with similar powers. It's a fucked up form of government...
On the other hand, most of the bill seems to be standard regulation of products prohibiting false claims and so on, much like the US DSHEA law. While these might raise costs for unscrupulous supplement vendors, one would hope that above-board vendors are already providing clean products and not making undue claims.
It's a political issue more than a health one, really.
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Sat, May 24, 2008 - 9:42 PMWell I am Canadian and C-51 is threat to me as a Canadian on the same issue as natural health as well as Codex for the nations under the WTO.
The first topic of the board was yes Codex which if you do the research and provide me more than just your opinion you will see that it is a problem for natural health plants and people.
But Again I asked for facts if anyone has some concrete facts on why it is bad to talk about issues pertaining to natural health and food and our right and privilege to have free access to them..................We should be free to have clean food and herbs at our own leisure without them being threatened by certain laws that are trying to come into play.
But I believe if we all start educating ourselves and getting involved with our government proactively and sticking to the facts real facts of the issues we can make a difference.
If you two don't want to help and stay educated but mearly want to state your opinions they are not welcome here.
Lets stick to the facts people, and stay on the right path.
************Read what the Codex website has to say www.codexalimentarius.net/mrls/...-e.jsp
Read what the C-51 Canadian natural health bill is saying actually read the bills and the bureaucrat legal documents pertaining to the acts.
********If any Canadians want a copy of the C-51 Bill let me know. Feel free to contacts Jack Layton or your MP as well.
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Sat, May 24, 2008 - 9:48 PMI'm glad to see you looked in to C-51 Phil............it could have been another post topic all together but I did deiced to lump it into natural health and discussion as such since this thread has continued on so well with a wide range of discussion and opinions. I'll title the board accordingly......... for further discussion on issues pertaining to natural health
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Sun, May 25, 2008 - 8:54 AM"The first topic of the board was yes Codex which if you do the research and provide me more than just your opinion you will see that it is a problem for natural health plants and people. "
Brittany, we already did that. Read it, commented, done. Even you posted here showing the inaccuracies in the NSF website material about Codex that you were reposting. It's still here on the thread.
If C-51 is a real issue, then you would serve it better by separating it from the NSF/Laibow/Stubblebine hype about Codex, which is a viral marketing scam and nothing more. That's not just my opinion. Concrete facts posted galore on this and other threads. Read 'em. You were also challenged here to post info about Codex that DID NOT come from NSF. When you did - as is evident on this thread - YOU demonstrated the inaccuracies.
Really, if you want to continue to argue about Codex, the burden of proof remains in your court. Post some research that does originate or come copied from an NSF website. A link to Codex is fine... but only if you can quote the pertinent material to make your argument.
No one has said it's bad to talk about natural health or health freedom issue. I think we all agree that's a good thing... but the Codex issue is a diversion from it, a scam designed to channel well-meaning folks such as yourself away from the real issues. Maybe C-51 is one of those real issues... but it's hard to take you seriously after you've cried wolf too many times over inflated nonsense. -
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Sun, May 25, 2008 - 4:02 PM"Post some research that does originate or come copied from an NSF website"
That should read "Post some research that does NOT originate or come copied from an NSF website"
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