"out of all the people I know who have kids, none of them are questioning our assumptions of reality. Its mainly the people who dont have children that should have children, but for some reason, they dont want to have children."

as someone who does my best to make conscious parenting a major component of my spiritual ourne, I foundthis rather insuklting, though perhaps you did not intend it that way.


since this conversation was originally about the psychedelic experience, I can say that there is a movement within the return to natural childbirth that restored the initiatory experince of conscious birthing to a lace not too different from the psychedelic experience. most ormones, inclouding especially the hormones of reproduction, are psychoactive to at last some extent, and I can testify from having done psychelelics and from having given birth without medical intervention that it's definitely a spiritual high...


and the revelations that children offer u along the way to growing up makes us realize much about the world and perception, and also hw we can be the trusted guides and learn the nature of what love truly is...meanwhile what we try o gain as we mature, and as we help ou children o mature, is not so much abut the evolution of though, IMO, which comes naturally- it's about learning how o be social beings, to look byond our immediate needs for gratification as we learn to guideand work alongside others.

judicious use of psychedelics can assist this path, as man others.

for me, it;s all abot what is truly important...