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I lost over 150 lbs in 2003. I weighed 315 at my heaviest. Now, my insecurities have switched from....I'm so fat I can't even tie my shoes without holding my breath, to my faster shimmies, gawahzees, reverberate waaaaay past acceptable time limits. I also have about 2 inches of skin hanging from my upper arms. I'm not at the point in my journey (going on 1 year this Spring American Tribal) to where I can embrace the Goddess within me.
I know it's my issue, I've seen all sorts of Dancers, shapes, sizes, stretch marks...etc. I've never been grossed out or even noticed anything other than...Wow...she really OWNS herself.
To this point, I've been...let's say..."pretty creative" with my costuming, gauntlets, longer sleeve cholis, I've been to the thrift store and bought something in a pretty fabric and made belly covers...you name it, I've done it. I'm absolutely FINE with showing my obliques and my back, and my arms starting about an inch above my elbow...lol...but, since I'm in Tribal Arm Pose, even though I have excellent muscle tone, the skin just....hangs.
I'm open to any suggestions, whether they're other creative costuming tricks, or learning to own my body, and just let the jiggling belly happen for about 5 minutes (hard to pull off when you've gone from gawazee to arabic...there should be no side to side jiggling!) I've come a long way down my weight loss journey. But, I want to be FREE to really enjoy the belly dance journey, and I'm constantly preoccupied with "how do I drape?" "are my classmates trying not to hurl?" BTW, belly drapes that are attached to the bra covers actually cover the part of my belly that I like. I have a nice strong ribcage, and the skin issue starts right around the belly button area and goes down to my pelvic cage. And...it's BELLY dancing....that's the whole point. Also, I have an issue with skirts and pantaloons that fit me just fine, but squish up the extra skin....GAH!!! I have ISSUES!!
Sisters???
Give it to me.
I know it's my issue, I've seen all sorts of Dancers, shapes, sizes, stretch marks...etc. I've never been grossed out or even noticed anything other than...Wow...she really OWNS herself.
To this point, I've been...let's say..."pretty creative" with my costuming, gauntlets, longer sleeve cholis, I've been to the thrift store and bought something in a pretty fabric and made belly covers...you name it, I've done it. I'm absolutely FINE with showing my obliques and my back, and my arms starting about an inch above my elbow...lol...but, since I'm in Tribal Arm Pose, even though I have excellent muscle tone, the skin just....hangs.
I'm open to any suggestions, whether they're other creative costuming tricks, or learning to own my body, and just let the jiggling belly happen for about 5 minutes (hard to pull off when you've gone from gawazee to arabic...there should be no side to side jiggling!) I've come a long way down my weight loss journey. But, I want to be FREE to really enjoy the belly dance journey, and I'm constantly preoccupied with "how do I drape?" "are my classmates trying not to hurl?" BTW, belly drapes that are attached to the bra covers actually cover the part of my belly that I like. I have a nice strong ribcage, and the skin issue starts right around the belly button area and goes down to my pelvic cage. And...it's BELLY dancing....that's the whole point. Also, I have an issue with skirts and pantaloons that fit me just fine, but squish up the extra skin....GAH!!! I have ISSUES!!
Sisters???
Give it to me.
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Re: Drastic weight loss, anyone??
Wed, February 18, 2009 - 10:47 AMI have a suggestion for the *muffin top* that comes from elasticized skirts & pants. I like to use a fitted waistband - it's a 3" wide curve, like a capital "C"...pleat or gather your skirt or pants to this. The advantages are it won't go pull down over the hips if you happen to step on the skirt/pants and it eliminates the muffin top. Mine are usually a bit longer than my hip measurement and overlap (back or front) with sturdy hooks for closure.
And congrats on the weight loss!
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Wed, February 18, 2009 - 10:47 AMKudos to you on the weight loss!!I have similar issues. I have a c-section "smile" from when my son was born that acts similarly. I find if my belts are not straight across but are shaped or scalloped it helps. I tend to wear my pants and skirts a bit higher than my slimmer belly friends. I also found the glory of to the shoulder gloves and filmy, not quite fitted sleeves. Otherwise I just wear an attitude and have fun dancing.
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Wed, February 18, 2009 - 10:54 AMWell, first of all---Congratulations on that amazing weight loss! And in keeping it off since 2003.
Basically costume should do two things---make you look your best, and make you feel your best :). I think we're all way harder on ourselves re. our looks than we are on other people, so try to keep that in mind. No one else is probably even noticing your extra jigglies (unless they're admiring your smooth shimmies... I know I admire the shimmies of the ladies in my class who have something to shake. I have to work twice as hard to get mine to look half as good :P (Not to mention making sure my costume always 'stuffs' my hips and has lots of shimmy-ing stuff on it). So anyway---you know it already, but here it is again: no one else is being as critical of your looks as you are. At least, not if they're someone whose opinion is worth considering :).
As to costuming---there's nothing wrong with an elbow-length (or longer) sleeve if that makes you feel prettier. Personally I love gauntlets, too, just for how they look, though they don't really scream "ATS" to me (not sure if that's exactly what you're doing though). As to belts/hip stuff, having a belt that's a little bit loose at the top edge, or one that's thicker (maybe even padded), might reduce that "squished up extra skin" problem from the skirts (many cabaret belts are padded to reduce the "muffin-top" effect :) ). A sheer body-stocking might be another possibility---something to control/reduce the jiggle without really hiding the skin underneath. Ghawazee coats are also beauiful and smooth over a myriad of flaws, if they fit with your troupe's costuming. (They're also great winter costumes, but maybe that's not as much of an issue for you as it is for me ;) ).
Ok, I just flipped through your pics and I think that, like me, you could probaby benefit from some extra hip-padding :)... bustle up skirts to the side, stuff flowers in your belt, tuck poufs of cloth in at the side, or just have belts that tie in big bows at the side... anything to fill in that overhang and visually balance off your impressive upper body :).
But above all---do what you need to to feel beautiful :). If you need certain costuming to feel it, that's all right. You're only a year into this---let it come. Be kind to yourself. Let yourself enjoy the costuming that makes you feel comfortable, and let yourself stretch out to where you "want to be" at your own pace. The real beauty in the dance comes from how wonderful it makes us feel---feel that, and you will be beautiful no matter what. And the best costume and the most perfect body won't make it look good if it doesn't make you feel joy.
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Wed, February 18, 2009 - 11:22 AMthanks everyone...so, basically, just keep being creative...I'm the safety pin queen! As long as I'm comfortable and not holding back, that's the most important thing.
I knew I could count on my shimmy sissies.
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Wed, February 18, 2009 - 1:40 PMpower netting.
it will hold things in place, but looks sheer. this is what cher uses to pretend her stomach is still how it looked in her 20s -
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Wed, February 18, 2009 - 1:50 PMwhere do you get power netting? Am I going to have to **shudder** sew? (please say no!) -
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Wed, February 18, 2009 - 2:00 PMwww.sugarpetals.com/body_stockings.asp
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Tue, May 19, 2009 - 6:28 PMIn my parousal of the web, sugarpetals seems to have the best price. I have three things from there. .. All well made and lovely. I'm not sure about this but it seems to be that other sites buy sugarpetals stuff,,, raise the price and sell them...
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Wed, February 18, 2009 - 2:08 PMhhahaha, if you buy it by the bolt, yes ^_~
i think they make power netting body stockings that you could wear under your costume tho, prob some with sleeves.
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Wed, February 18, 2009 - 2:20 PMah, sorry, i missed the 2003 part. ill try and pry my foot out of my mouth now.
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Wed, February 18, 2009 - 3:55 PMYou can come sit right next to me, and we can talk about this all day. Congratulations on your weight loss! I'm in your same boat, I went from a size 24/26 to a size 10/12. It feels so good, doesn't it?! But, at the same time, we are always our own worst critics and will look at that sagging skin, and forget what we've accomplished. I know. I deal with it every single day. It's not about what others see. Others don't see it, but we certainly do, and that's what makes it hard.
Yes, belly dancing usually means showing your belly. Except...I have loose skin thanks to over 170 lbs of weight loss. No one wants to see that. I'm in your boat too. My ribcage and upper torso is pretty good looking. It's the belly button and below that I'd rather not show off. Discount Dance Supply (dot com) has a lot of mesh leotards and covers that work awesome for this. Some of them are nude to give the illusion of covering your stomach. Others are colored if you want to cover, but still show a little off. The leotards aren't fabulous for movement in belly dancing, but some basic knowledge of sewing and cutting will make them work for you.
They also have them in long sleeved so you can take care of the arms as well. Just wear some crazy bracelets, cuffs and jewelry which will cover the elastic at the wrist. Shrugs, tie off tops that are long sleeved, sleeves that start just at the shoulder are all good for covering arms. Again, if you have a basic knowledge of sewing you can easily make these sleeves with elastic and fabric of your choice. I'm not sure if you do any type of tribal dancing or not, but if you do then you're more in luck. A long sleeved choli is also a fabulous cover for the arms. -
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Wed, February 18, 2009 - 5:28 PMI've been up and down weight wise twice, now going on a third time in my life, I just know when I hit my goal I will have the very same problem this time around at age 46 skin doesn't bounce back like it does with your in your 20's.....relax, take it easy on yourself......cover if it makes you feel better.......uncover when your comfortable and not before. Janie at designsbyjanie.com makes body stockings too......give her a shout!! I recently bought a bra from her that was fabulous!! Congratulations!! Be happy!!!
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Wed, February 18, 2009 - 6:40 PMsorry, i just thought of this:
"belly drapes that are attached to the bra covers actually cover the part of my belly that I like. I have a nice strong ribcage, and the skin issue starts right around the belly button area and goes down to my pelvic cage."
i've seen stockings (or lace, or w/e) that come from the belt and attach at the middle of the bra (see the "mesh" i the 3rd drawing www.shira.net/cg/tummy.htm from the costume goddess's info on shira.net) i've also seen ones that are basically necklaces that attach at the same place, and just drape around the back -
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Thu, February 19, 2009 - 6:28 AMthose are some great ideas and websites. I've always loved the turkish vests (I do practice Tribal and American Tribal, btw), and have stalked every website that I know of for a turkish vest that would come down to the hips, (think corset, but vest style). That would be a lovely costume, does anyone know of any website that makes a "full length" turkish vest? Thanks for the encouraging words as well, they are just as valuable. -
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Thu, February 19, 2009 - 1:13 PM<those are some great ideas and websites. I've always loved the turkish vests (I do practice Tribal and American Tribal, btw), and have stalked every website that I know of for a turkish vest that would come down to the hips, (think corset, but vest style). That would be a lovely costume, does anyone know of any website that makes a "full length" turkish vest? Thanks for the encouraging words as well, they are just as valuable. >
creations by angelia... DO IT!!!! =D
I hear she makes kick ass stuff that is custom made for you... and she isn't like... abajillion times more expensive than regularly made alternatives. =)
Congrats on taking it off and keeping it off...
snicker... sounds so dirty! ;) but good job you! I struggly with my 5 -10 lbs that I could stand to lose...shrug it is who I is we are all wonderfully made. -
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Tue, May 19, 2009 - 6:27 PMAngelia's stuff is wonderful and not that expensive for sure. I have a pair of pantaloons that i practice in almost every day.
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Thu, February 19, 2009 - 5:04 PM"turkish vest that would come down to the hips"
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Thu, February 19, 2009 - 8:03 PMI've thought and thought about investing in a gawahzee coat...they take so much time and effort, I've not seen one in my immediate budget... I'd hate to cut it...but, I'm SURE I could make something out of the bottom...overskirt...hip scarf, turban, maybe even a cover bra..course someone else would have to make that...I'm a sewaphobic...I can replace buttons...that's about it...that's a great idea! I might do that, I'd have the sleeves, bust, and "skirt" as fabric....(wandering off brainstorming...)
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Thu, February 19, 2009 - 1:08 PMCongrats on the wt loss! You Rock!!!
Hi! I totally understand the arm thing!
In my pic I am wearing lace tights as a top and arm cover. (get ones you like, cut the crotch out, turn upside down, dance) The cool thing is that they sit off the shoulder and the "top" part of them hold the "sleeves" up.
Hope this helps!
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Thu, February 19, 2009 - 2:28 PMa friend taught me that, and that was my first pair of "gauntlets" still a favorite standby. Then I had a friend crochet me a bamboo yarn pair that came up to my armpits, I just threaded elastic around the upper arms, they're one of my faves too. You wouldn't believe how squishy and decadent bamboo yarn is!! I have a FCBD red lace backless choli, but, apparently, I misjudged the size and it's made for someone twice my size, but, I WILL find a way to make them work. I love them. Also, Pedralta has velvet split shoulder long sleeve cholis, also backless, a staple...
I think I might check out the powermesh, only thing I don't care for is it's fully backed...but, I guess you wouldn't be able to tell unless you were close up. I do love sugarpetals full body suit, the genius who finally thought of UNDER the boobs....have to save up.
Since everyone has been so kind, I just wanted to (whispering...boast a little) I went from a size 28 to a size 6/8...depending on brand, and what time of the month it is.
Karen...Are you wearing the waist part as the top by itself? What size did you get? Mine doesn't cover my 34 (saggy, yet when put in proper placement ) Ds....they always run.
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Tue, May 19, 2009 - 5:21 PMjust found another way to show off the top of your abs while covering the lower part: www.kboutique.com/items/oth...kFront.JPG -
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Tue, May 19, 2009 - 6:31 PMOkay my posts don't seem to be showing up.. briefly.. in case they do show up.. i put in a big HELL YES for Angelia and Sugar petals. -
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Thu, May 21, 2009 - 10:51 AMWow! Thanks for the new responses! Great ideas! I'm definitely gonna try to save up leeeetle by leeeeetle to get Angelia to make me something kick butt, and I want some of her bustles, and well...everything she has.
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Thu, May 28, 2009 - 11:58 AMWow and congrats! I can identify, but from the perspective of being 64, and having 'bat wings' as Bette Middler once referred to herself. For me, it's congenital and from several weight flucuations in my lifetime!) I got some great ideas from everyone here, too. My entire belly, including the ribcage just ain't as firm as before, but my lower abdomen actually looks better than the upper. Strange huh?, but then I just had one baby. So, I use stretch lace, a sheer mesh body suit from Sugar Petals, and fake tan stuff in the summer. In the Calif summer, I sometimes NEED to wear a tank top to class, and wear upper arm 'sleeves'. A girls gotta do what a girls gotta do, right?
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Thu, June 4, 2009 - 9:25 AMI sort of have the same problem and I don't know what to do about it. I'm large on top and small on the bottom. I don't have any cellulite on my thighs, but I have a little fat hanging over the ribcage of the bras, under the arms and around a tiny part of my back near the underarms.
Do you think liposuction will work with taking some of the fat off? Losing weight isn't really a solution for me because I get smaller and smaller on the bottom and the top hardly budges at all. It's the way I'm made I guess.
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Thu, June 4, 2009 - 10:49 AMI've found that just wearing cholis that flatter your own body is the best way. Although, there's always the trick of cutting the crotch out of some tights, fishnet, whatever floats your boat. I have the same problem...and that's the only way I can wear my bra...but, it's very cool looking. If I knew how to post a link to my pic, I would, but, you can look at my profile, and see what it looks like. Squeezes all that in and leaves the lovely collarbones and shoulders (if desired) off.
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Tue, June 9, 2009 - 3:07 PMEtta, this is such a great idea! When you cut out the crotch - is it the diamond shape you cut? Do you have to sew something, so it doesn't run? I'm grateful for this tip as I think it makes a nice "choli". -
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Wed, June 10, 2009 - 1:57 PMWell...it depends on if I'm wearing a bra over it, or just adding interest to the costume. Some I cut more round, some more diamond so it doesn't show behind the bra cleavage. This is really stretchy material...so, a little at a time. It takes a few times of putting it on, taking it off, cutting a little here and there to get it even. I usually find that even if I want it off the shoulders, I rarely need to cut much more than the crotch area....especially fishnets....those you take leeeeetle bits at a time...they stretch a LOT...
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