Heavier veil fabrics?

topic posted Fri, May 9, 2008 - 7:12 PM by  Amber
Hey girls (and guys?),

What are your preferred heavier veil fabrics? Nothing super-weighty by any means, buuuut I've come to the realization that for the more intricate veil work, my silk chiffon veil just does not cut it. It's almost TOO floaty. Would a straight-up silk be better, orrrrr maybe something else I haven't thought of...?

Also, I read once that one should beware the phrase "China silk" because somehow it indicates a lesser quality product. Is this true? If so, why is that so? I find myself questioning this because L Rose Designs has "China silk" veils, and they are an awesome, EXTREMELY reputable company - one that I wouldn't expect to use second rate fabrics or to rip off the customer.

Thanks in advance for your insight!
posted by:
Amber
Oregon
  • Re: Heavier veil fabrics?

    Fri, May 9, 2008 - 8:11 PM
    Honestly, for rectangular veils, I *love* China Silk. I think maybe the warning comes from the fact that it's a misnomer - it's not actually silk. But it's very floaty & has a nice weight to it. And usually pretty cheap too, so you can buy a few yards of it & try it out, and if you don't like it, you're not out too much.

    For circular veils, however (which require more speed and therefore even more weight for me), I like the liquid foil stuff. That's what these veils are made out of: people.tribe.net/524bcd6f-...7a8247819d
    • Re: Heavier veil fabrics?

      Fri, May 9, 2008 - 9:09 PM
      Hmmm, that explains why people warn about China silk - it's misleading for people looking for real silk. That makes sense, but hey, if it's a good weight, nice fabric, I have no qualms about not using real silk. :D Maybe I'll pop by JoAnn's and buy a few yards to make sure I like it before I buy a supernice, pretty L Rose veil.

      Thanks doll! (Doll... heehee! I did that without even thinking!)
  • Re: Heavier veil fabrics?

    Fri, May 9, 2008 - 9:23 PM
    Actually I've seen 8mm refered to as China Silk. The faux silk that some people call China Silk is actally a Silkese or Silk essence.

    A lot of people like 5mm, so I make veils in this weight, but I find it very floaty. I prefer 8mm and make most of my veils in this weight, both for sale and for personal use. It has a great whip effect. I also like Silk Charmouse, but it takes muscles and practice to move around.

    Hope this helps
    • Re: Heavier veil fabrics?

      Fri, May 9, 2008 - 9:28 PM
      I'll keep an eye peeled for silk charmeuse when I stop by Joanne's as well. I'm up for playing around with fabric!

      I wonder how many funny looks I'll get for walking around the store floating a bolt of fabric behind me... :D
    • Re: Heavier veil fabrics?

      Sat, May 10, 2008 - 5:33 AM
      *grin* On the flip side, I personally like to dance with 5mm so I mostly make my veils in 5mm. *smile* I really find it interesting how veil fabric is such a personal preferance...It's funny how one person just Loves one type but won't touch another.....makes is difficult to pick your first one though.
  • Re: Heavier veil fabrics?

    Sat, May 10, 2008 - 5:00 AM
    My absolute favorite veil (for which I paid a price!) is 3 yards of moderately heavy silk that was hand beaded completely around the edges. So it floats like silk, but the heaviness of the beads give it the heft and control needed for more powerful moves.

    The beading isn't straight, I can't draw, but it's alternating red and gold rocailles in a wavy pattern; that is, they loop slightly off the veil every two. It's amazing! How patient are you?
  • Re: Heavier veil fabrics?

    Sat, May 10, 2008 - 6:14 AM
    My favorite veil is a heavier silk. I don't know what weight, or even who manufactured it. I bought it second hand off Ebay a decade ago.

    "China Silk" and "India Silk" are both kind of misleading. These could be thin, low quality silk, or a faux silk made out of polyester, like the Silkessence that Jo Ann sells now. My first veil from like 1980 was Silkessence from JoAnns, but it is much more like the silk charmuses than the Silkessence you find there today. If you're interested in a China Silk or India Silk item, I suggest asking the vendor exactly what the fabric content is.

    Poly chiffon is not as "floaty" as silk chiffon. Tissue lame veils were super popular back in the 80s, we often used tissue lame and poly chiffon together.

    Lightweight fabrics sometimes "collapse" on themselves when whipped around in veil work. Beading at the edges and appliques in the corners add weight, but helps the fabric keep it's shape. I do NOT suggest experimenting on your favorite or only veil, but if you have a second super light weight silk you might try adding a single row of sequins around the edges.
  • Re: Heavier veil fabrics?

    Sat, May 10, 2008 - 7:40 AM
    Amber amber amber.... Ladysilk right here in Southern Oregon ! And yes silk. You've seen me veil dance, always silk. Outside I go 8 inside 5 ladysilkdesigns.com/

    Here is a quote from the site "about silk"
    There is nothing like silk. No other fabric feels and moves like silk. The silk used for veils is soft and sensuous but very durable. Silk comes in many weights and weaves. At Ladysilk the standard silk used for veils is 8mm habotai , otherwise known as china silk. The "mm" designation means mumme (pronounced "mummy") and signifies the weight of the silk. The higher the number the heavier the silk. The 8mm silk seems to be the favorite of most dancers, especially dancers with less experience dancing with silk. At Ladysilk, however, we also offer the lighter, airier 5mm china silk and for half circle veils we offer 12mm silk charmeuse - a truly sumptuous fabric. The charmeuse allows the circular veil to "plane" in the air. For example you can start a turn, then let go with one hand and the veil will lie out horizontally in the air as you turn. The charmeuse veil behaves more like a cape than a veil.

    So maybe a 12 is what you are looking for.
    • Re: Heavier veil fabrics?

      Sat, May 10, 2008 - 12:42 PM
      Oooooooh! I am loving this. With her prices and the quality of her product (I remember seeing you dance - those veils are AMAZING to watch), I may just have to buy from her. I will definitely try the 8mm, and if I'm ever in the market for a circular veil, I'll try the 12. What with the moves Ayesha's teaching us, my light little silk chiffon veil just isn't keeping up at all!
      • Re: Heavier veil fabrics?

        Sat, May 10, 2008 - 12:43 PM
        Oh wow, I just realized... is this Aisha's company? How neat!
        • Re: Heavier veil fabrics?

          Sun, May 11, 2008 - 9:31 PM
          yea it is Aisha's company [my teacher]
          • Re: Heavier veil fabrics?

            Tue, May 13, 2008 - 7:13 AM
            Silk....definitely silk! Aisha's veils are yummmmmy though I hemmed mine (yeah, I'm a veil wimp) so I can find my edges. I have both light and heavy weight veils and they're both fun for different reasons. Heavier=faster, lighter=slower in the air.
            • Re: Heavier veil fabrics?

              Tue, May 13, 2008 - 7:34 AM
              China silk is the term often used for Silk Habotai. The problem is that some people use the term "China Silk" to refer to fake silk. . .

              I like my china silk veils and my super light chiffon for some things, for others I like a very heavy veil. For "softer" stylings in dance (light airy movements), I love the floatiness of the silk. But for faster songs, I like a weightier fabric, like a burnout chiffon or a chiffon that has jaquard patterns.

              One of my teachers always uses heavier veils, even as heavy like glitter dot. I never would have thought that would be a good choice until I saw her spin a glitterdot half circle veil. Wow.

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