No matter how hard you try and no matter how long you practice you just are any where near where you'd like to be? I'm not sure what's going on maybe it's actually being in a class that is making me feel this way...but I just feel like I suck as a dancer. I look at all the other women in my class and go "What the hell am I doing here?" All these other women look great they aren't messing up and they don't look goofy in the mirror. Unlike me I feel like I'm in Ballet again with clumsy moves and floppy arms. Sometimes I just don't know if I should continue on with belly dance. I feel like I just look god awful and people are not willing to tell me about myself......ugh and I'm in a beginner's class so that's what trips me out the most.......
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Thu, April 24, 2008 - 10:36 PMHi Dina,
Don't be so hard on yourself. I am sure you don't suck. Try not to compare yourself to the other women in your class. Everyone learns differently. I've been taking classes & performing for almost 3 years now & boy do I screw up alot. I have a picture in my head of what I look like (which happens to be about 75 pounds thinner) & how good in my head I dance. Then I watch myself in the mirror during class & think OMG! I just have to remind myself that I bellydance for me. I don't plan on being a professional dancer. This is a hobby for me to get exercise, do some performances, and meet a whole bunch of new friends no matter how good or bad I am. By the way, you didn't mention how long you have been dancing or why you started dancing. By all means, do not give up. You can do it!
If you are ever up Phx way, feel free to drop in to one of the local gatherings - there are very low-key BD gatherings the 2nd & 4th Saturdays & the 3rd Sundays of each month. Phx has a very close BD community & we welcome all, beginner to professional, with open arms regardless of dance ability. I think you would really like my troupe, Dancers of De Nile. Check us out some time. tribes.tribe.net/dancersofdenile We are so not the typical bellydancers, but we have a lot of fun.
Being in Tucson, if you get the chance, try to take a class from Kahlea. She is one of my teachers here in Phx & everyone just loves her. She also teaches in Tucson. Here is her website: www.freewebs.com/thegoddessgarden. Her Fundamentals class is really good. My niece just started taking it a few weeks ago & loves it.
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Sat, May 3, 2008 - 8:55 AM"I have a picture in my head of what I look like (which happens to be about 75 pounds thinner) & how good in my head I dance. Then I watch myself in the mirror during class & think OMG!"
LOL, that is totally me, too, Anyanka.
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Mon, May 5, 2008 - 9:41 PMIn class on Saturday, my instructor wrote about 4 moves on the mirror that we had to choreograph into our own little solo including an entrance, pose & exit. I am terrible at choreographing. I have been dancing for 3 years & have just recently completed my first choreographed duet for me & my daughter (it took me about 6 months to work it out). Anyway, while we were practicing it seemed like all the other girls were putting the moves together really well & practicing them over & over. I would put moves together but couldn't remember what I just did. So when it came time to do my mini-solo infront of the class, even though I was really nervous, I just winged it. To my surprise, the majority of the class voted me for their favorite performance & I won a prize. Yeah me!! I honestly didn't think I did that well & thought that I had forgotten 1 of the required moves. So it goes to show that we are our own worst critics.
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Mon, May 5, 2008 - 10:31 PMDina: I assure you that there is a very high probability that there are other women in your class who feel the same way as you. Some of them may even compare themselves to you and feel that THEY are lacking. As long as you are having fun, don't stress about your progress. Sometimes things take forever and them, BAM! You just GET IT. Like the 3/4 shimmy walk. My teacher said she "got it" months after learning about it, walking down the grocery aisle. I'm had plenty of those moments myself. And so has probably every dancer on here. Just stick with it and it will come!
Irena: I wish there were more women like you! Maybe then we wouldn't be so sick with media driven self-disgust.
Anyanka: Congratulations! It really shows how much harder we are on ourselves. :)
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Thu, April 24, 2008 - 10:48 PMThat's funny! I'm actually taking Kahlea's class right now. I've been dancing for 4 years...but this is the first time I've been in a class. Other times it's was just the SCA and dropping when I could. Living overseas will do that to ya. I know I shouldn't compare myself to others but I feel like I should be further along than I am.....I think it's the simple fact I'm in a class with a bunch of other women that have been dancing so much longer than we and me wanting to be at their level already. I feel like I've never taken a belly dance class sometimes when I step into class.
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Thu, April 24, 2008 - 11:52 PMOh good! Kahlea is a great teacher. And she is very patient. Just remember, do not be afraid to ask her questions if you do not understand how to do a move. If you don't ask, she can't help you. Also remember that self-learning is very different than learning in a class full of other students, who may or may not have more experience than you. We have all levels of experience in our classes also. Have you done the bellydance soul train yet? It's a lot of fun even if you don't feel like you know what you are doing. Just relax & have fun! I am sure you dance better than you think.
Happy dancing!
Anyanka
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Fri, April 25, 2008 - 3:58 AMIf you have never been in a class before then don't be so hard on yourself. There is SO much to learn when you start taking classes! We are often our own worse critic but it's really not helpful to us most of the time. We just end up making ourselves miserable. I used to compare myself all the time to other dancers and it drove me crazy. So what I had to do was change my perspective. I decided to treat it like a yoga class. In yoga you are discouraged from comparing yourself to the others on the mats around you. It is not a competition, it is not about how far you can go in a pose compared to someone else. It is about what you can do, that day, in that given moment and what it gives you back. Your ability to do certain things changes from day to day. Sometimes you are less flexible, sometimes more.... sometimes you completely understand instructions, other days you can't figure out what the hell your teacher is saying. Just go with the flow for the day and take what you need from it and above all else... enjoy it! -
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Fri, April 25, 2008 - 5:19 AM""It is about what you can do, that day, in that given moment and what it gives you back. Your ability to do certain things changes from day to day.""
Hadara, wonderful advice for us all!
Dina, just when I think I've nailed a move or done a decent job of remembering a choreo for a performance - I look at the video from said performance and ugh! Nasty! Clumsy! Chicken arms!
Deep breath - and then dance...
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Fri, April 25, 2008 - 5:58 AMI understand what you're going through. I'm in my second beginner's session and I still feel embarrassed by some of the things that the other girls seem to do so well. Like I'm footwork-challenged...I can do isolations all day long but ask me to do more than step right left right left right left and I'm lost and spastic! What has helped me a lot was to look for things I'm good at, and I'm SURE there are things in dance that you're good at! One of my favorite things to do when I feel down about my progress is go pick the bounciest non-bellydance song I can think of (in my case it's always Michael Jackson's "Beat It"- Yeah, I'm a dork) and turn it on and just move. I'm sure I look like a total spazz but it always gets my heart going and I end it with a smile. Good luck! *hugs*
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Fri, April 25, 2008 - 7:33 AM*gentle hugs*
Oh, honey, don't beat yourself up. We are always our own worse critics. It takes time to develop or style and stretch out our bodies. Don't compare yourself with the other people in class...compare yourself with yourself. Monitor your progress from week to week or session to session.
Know everyone has to start at the beginning and it takes time to build everything up. Stick with it and even six months from now you'll be amazed at the strides you have made!
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Fri, April 25, 2008 - 9:34 AMNext week i'm going to the BIG CITY and have made arrangements to drop in on a class. Its the second time i've dropped in on this teacher and she's great. But there was no one else there the first time. I'm figuring I might not be so lucky this time. I'm trying not to think about the other bodies moving in perfect unison in the mirror while i'm flopping around.. the ugly piglet. I don't want to let this get the best of me because i want to benefit from what i know i can learn from the teacher.. but the fears are nagggginnnggg aaakkkkkkkk.. I need to get into my Fuckem if they can't take a joke .. state of mind..
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Fri, April 25, 2008 - 10:20 AMDude! I'm with ya! I can't even get a frickin umbrella to work right! LOL, the quote of the day was "Valerie, there are only two settings on an umbrella, open and closed!" :-D
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Fri, April 25, 2008 - 5:03 PMThank you all so much for the support. I'm sorry I sound so whiny. I just get so frustrated sometimes. It builds up.
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Fri, April 25, 2008 - 5:17 PMIts nice to know other dancers feels the same!! I was practicing the other day and I just felt so crappy about how i move. I love to dance, I've been belly dancing on and off since I was 12 (im 22 now). More off than on, which also gets to me. I feel like I dont know as much as i should or am not as good as I should be. If I could dance with my arms behind my back I wouldnt look so bad! I cant make choreographs to save my life, I want to do a solo so badly and Ive got some good music but its not going anywhere because I have no idea what to do with it. And I cant just through on a piece of music and go for it, because i look ridiculous. *sigh* The troupe I belong to has some fabulous dancers and we're a semi-pro and pro group. It makes me want to be better and practice more.
Of course you should continue belly dancing!! All these ladies have given great advice and you know youre not alone in feeling like you arent good enough for how long youve been dancing! Work on one thing at a time that you feel are your weak points. Like posture, then arms, then steps and so on :) Thats what ive been doing. I even peek at a video of me performing once in a while to see what Im doing well and what needs work.
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Fri, April 25, 2008 - 5:27 PMDon't be so hard on yourself, especially if you have learned to dance either through Dvd's or just be dropping in here or there. You will definitely pick it up but Kahlea will be teaching your core which is essential to a good dancer. I am in Kahlea's class here in Phoenix with Anyanka, Kahlea is a great teacher very sweet, undertanding. Kahlea will make sure you get it and not be discouraging but always positive in your dance learning. Just don't beat yourself up to hard, sometimes I find I just hit this plateau and I think bah am I ever going to get better then I work past that point. Just take one class at a time, breathe and give yourself a pat on the back after each class do not beat yourself up. My sis-in-law who also goes to Kahlea's classes was feeling the same way your were in the beginning, she finally said the other day so excitedly hey I am starting to really get it. Big ol' dance sister hugs to you and always think you can do it!!
I think I am at this point a Kahlea groupie! hrmmmm
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Sat, April 26, 2008 - 9:01 PMtribes.tribe.net/bellydanc...97cbfe29c2
jacqueline's post, a bit before 1/2 way down.
it was really helpful for me. ^_^
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Sun, April 27, 2008 - 1:11 PMI feel like that all the time! As a general rule - I look in the mirror during class and think "I'm such a dork!" If I say it out loud, invariably I'll be disagreed with. Sometimes I even start to believe that I'm not a total klutz. THEN - I saw the video my husband took of me dancing with my troupe at Tribal Caravan yesterday. While I had a couple of good moments, mostly I see my mistakes - and feel like a dork. However- Instead of using that as a reason to feel like I should quit, it's motivation to work harder. When I was first invited to dance with the troupe i felt very awkward, and questioned whether I was making a total fool of myself. A lovely woman in the troupe asked me if I loved belly dancing. I said I did - She said -" Then you are a belly dancer. Embrace it, practice, and have fun." Good reminder for right now!
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Mon, April 28, 2008 - 6:41 AMIt just takes practice and time I suppose. I'll sometimes be doing a move and thinking that I am getting it, then I will look up at the mirror an it looks all wrong. I don't know about you but I tend to be my own worst critic in that I will just never give myself any slack at all.
"I feel like I just look god awful and people are not willing to tell me about myself."
I'm sure your teacher would correct you if you were really not doing it right. Go easier on yourself and remember that dance is meant to be fun as well. Try talking to other women in your class, I can pretty much guarantee that they won't think you are doing as badly as you think you are. You could talk to your teacher if you really feel you need extra help.
I guess really what I am trying to say is don't be too hard on yourself and remember that everyone learns a different way at a different pace. Trust me, you'll enjoy something all the more if you have worked hard towards it. :)
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Mon, April 28, 2008 - 9:58 PMOne of my teacher put me in my place and really helped me out. She told me pretty much dance is like learning a second language. So one day I'll be speaking perfectly and the next they will throw in a word that means nothing in English I won't understand it at all. But with practice I will finally understand why that word is being used even if it makes no sense in English.
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Fri, May 2, 2008 - 9:06 AMDina - What a great explanation! -
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Sun, May 4, 2008 - 3:48 PMSo i did it.. I went to an actual class.. And yes .. everyone in the class was a whole lot thinner than me. Most were youngsters, very thin and lithe. There were a couple of women who were probably my age (50s) . One was thin and bared her belly.. The other was certainly thinner than me but probably had a belly pooch. She was thoroughly covered. It was very hot in the room. I stripped down to my shorts and sports bra. The class was pretty fast paced, so i didn't have time to really look around much. I didn't notice any of them looking much either. The instructor, Cassiopea222 on youtube, was pleasant and welcoming as she was the last time i met her. I had a really good time and pushed things cause i knew my knee (to be replaced in July) was starting to really hurt but i just didn't want to quit. No one spoke to me, other than the instructor but they didn't speak to each other much either. I have to wonder if my matter-of-fact attitude might have limited the amount of nasty stuff that might have gone on. i'm feeling grandiose today. I'm hoping that maybe by being so open and relaxed about my ampleness i will make it easier for those young women when their taught bodies age. And maybe the lady that was soooo covered in that hot hot room will think.. Well .. if she can bare her large belly,, what have i got to worry about.. like i said .. grandiose. I'm glad i did it.. And with a lot of icing.. Stretching in a hot bath,.. more ice.. my knees were really in amazingly good shape the next day :-) . -
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Tue, May 6, 2008 - 9:52 AMDo me a favor, Irena, and anyone else who has had your experience... Check out the photos on my profile from Tribal Caravan 2008. I belong to an ATS "sister studio" troupe. We have 15 women in our student troupe. The teacher is thin, lithe, and early 20's - and she is completely alone in all of that. There are a couple of young women - and while they are wonderful dancers, their bodies are not perfect. Most of us are well over 30, many in their 40's, some in their 50's. Almost all of us have children. One of our very finest dancers is a heavyset mom - who is a spellbinding, graceful, talented dancer.
Maybe it's because we're truly "tribal" style, but we have a non-competitive, supportive group of all shapes, sizes, ages and abilities. I don't know what a cabaret class is like. I do know that as Carolena Nereccio stated, tribal costumes are a great equalizer. The young look more mature, the heavier look slimmer, the slimmer look heavier... Like I said, take a look at the members of the OhMyGoddess tribe on my profile. -
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Tue, May 6, 2008 - 10:24 AMPerela, I can't view blogs/photos at work, but did you guys perform in SD this weekend? -
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Tue, May 6, 2008 - 9:40 PMYep! Melissa Henson is our troupe leader. She teaches at the Y in SD and in Santa Clarita. I was not happy with myself about the SD performance. I was given marching orders - to lead the Turkish Shimmy w/ Arms and Turn. It's a long combo, and works best with a heavy beat. The first group in the fast song went way long, and I came in at point where the music kept shifting beats, and was almost done. I knew I should have done something different, but I was trying to be a "good student". Next time - I'll do what I think I best. Live and learn.
I missed some of the performances - My little girl needed to talk to me. Tell me more about your performance - (costumes etc.)
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Wed, May 7, 2008 - 10:31 AMYeah!!!! Awwww, I liked your performance! Very pretty! What a big group! Wowsers! And zills- they are my nemesis.
Sorry to hijack this thread...I can't send PM's at work only recieve, doh! Of course one would say I really should be working...but this is break time.
I have bright pink hair, shaved in the back. We (Maha Dansari) are a trio. We had on pretty simple outfits- I had nude melos with a green and a flowered over-skirt thingie. It was a short piece using "Haunted" by Evanescence. We went on 14th I think out of 17?
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Wed, May 7, 2008 - 1:57 PMWe are a big group- at Tribal Caravan there were 15 of us! I do indeed remember you. You guys were great- I'm new to BD. It was really educational to see all the different forms, the variety of styles springing from the same root. I have 2 girls, 12and 9, and a 15 year old stepson. None were with me- I left them at home with Daddy, who was stressed beyond reason having to take care of everything overnight.
I've been in theater, and been a teacher- and am comfortable getting up in front of people. But most of the time when I'm dancing I feel like a teenaged dork- all elbows and big feet. We're dancing at the MECDA Bellydance Carnivale-and my parents are coming... Yikes! I'm reviewing photos and video like crazy to see where I can improve. In class this morning I realized I need to keep my arms closer to my body.
Very happy to have met another "member of the tribe!"
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Wed, May 7, 2008 - 3:31 PMWell I'll see ya there! I'll be a showgirl (eyecandy) with the Oasis Extravaganza (as part of Damsels' Dahlings).
I usually am harder on myself UNTIL I see video. Then I realize that the audience couldn't even pick up on most of what was stressing me out. -
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Wed, May 7, 2008 - 7:36 PMThat's undoubtedly because you're a better dancer than I am!!! I'm not being too hard on myself - it's a realistic assessment. I've been doing this less than a year - and my prior dance experience ended in college - more than 20 years ago. I'm pretty proud of how far I've come; I'm surprised that I'm doing this at all, and that I love it so much. But - I'm not very good at performing ---yet. I am determined that I will do much better at the MECDA event. I have a month to obsess over my arms and transitions. I'm doing the Rachel Brice DVD daily in addition to my classes and FCBD DVD's when I need to review moves.
It's not important to me to be perfect (well...) I just want to dance the way I see it in my head - the way I feel it in the music. That will satisfy.
Absolutely, Miss Showgirl Eyecandy- I will see you in June!
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Tue, May 6, 2008 - 10:25 AMBTW, my troupe, Maha Dansari, just did a piece on this very subject this weekend. The dance pprtrayed the inner struggle we all face with our own self doubts and fears. It was really a cleansing piece to perform. :-)
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Fri, May 9, 2008 - 2:00 AMDina,
I know exactly what you mean. Being the only male in my class, I find that I am a complete klutz. The ladies in my class, though beginners move like goddesses in the wind. So I thought it was hopeless as I have nature against me as well. But after a few private one on one lessons and my awesome classes. I finally feel I am getting better. Though dancing everyday no matter how little is key.
Little 'ol me! A tech geek/handyman by day is becoming a bellydancer, woot!
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Fri, May 9, 2008 - 6:44 AMLucho: You are my new hero! I'm always so thrilled when another woman gathers the courage to bellydance. So hearing a guy doing it is even more inspiring. Let us know when you have a video to share. *eg* I'm SURE I'm not the only one that would LOVE to see it!
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