Kefir grains are amazing

topic posted Sun, May 17, 2009 - 11:52 AM by  *Richard
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For several reasons - travel, dairy free diet for a while, neglect - I've had a jar of kefir in the back of my refrigerator for a bit over a year. Today I decided to finally see what was going on in there. Astoundingly, the kefir grains look and smell healthy. Just cleaned them and added some milk and I'm hoping that they will still make good kefir.
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  • Re: Kefir grains are amazing

    Wed, June 10, 2009 - 11:46 AM
    Yeah, you'll need a few "throw away" batches to get them going again. So maybe make a few small batches of just a cup of milk to minimize waste. Good luck!
  • Re: Kefir grains are amazing

    Thu, June 11, 2009 - 2:22 PM
    Isn't that Yogurt?

    Reason I think it's just yogurt is that Once I spent a ton of energy trying to find a way to make the stuff myself without buying any "starter" from any one. Every where I turned it was "buy my starter grains."

    This is pretty much the same with Yogurt.
    Why do people think they have to use some one else's starter?
    Are not the yeasts and bacteria all floating in the air around us all the time?
    • Re: Kefir grains are amazing

      Mon, June 15, 2009 - 5:09 PM
      it's really hard to get yogurt to make that 'colony' that makes it kefir. Supposedly whatever makes the grains can't be easily replicated but I haven't found real evidence that anyoen's tried and that this isn't just mythology.

      I recently grew a yogurt culture that seems to have some alcohol-makng bacteria in it (ie it gets fizzy if I let it ferment too long) and has the stretchy texture of kefir. I'll experiment to see if I can get it to form grains. It tastes an awful lot like kefir.,
      • Re: Kefir grains are amazing

        Thu, June 18, 2009 - 4:44 PM
        Make your own?
        Everyone knows Kefir grains are either:

        1) A gift from the one and true Prophet Mohammed.
        2) A composite organism that you are as likely to "make yourself" as you are to create lichen by mixing some random algae and fungus.

        Either way, Kifer is not so easily come by. Otherwise the Russian's would not have needed to use sex, industrial espionage, and blackmail to get hold of them. www.kefir.biz/history.htm.

        PS, no such thing as "alcohol-makng bacteria". yeast make alcohol not bacteria.
        • Re: Kefir grains are amazing

          Fri, June 19, 2009 - 10:22 AM
          sorry, that's what I meant, had a brainfart there.

          I just don't know if I believe the mythology about the Russians and espionage (incidentally I'm both Georgian (where kefir is from) and Russian, and grew up with kefir over there, never heard these stories), plus the time period when it occurred, if it did, wasn't necessarily the most rational period in our history anyway.

          Also, I'm not talking about just picking out random microorganisms from the air (though that's what makes yogurt happen to milk if you are lucky)- I'm talking about culturing a sample of liquid kefir into milk so that it eventually forms colonies. The Internet, or, rather, Dom's Kefir Site, says it can't be done.

          Has anyone tried to grow out a full kefir grains culture from just kefir liquid? It might take many generations to do so, or perhaps the person (Dom?) who first reported on the internet that it oculdn't be done may have been mistaken in what he was seeing (like a contaminated culture or something rather than just failure to culture the right stuff).

          Tea kombucha colonies can be made from liquid kombucha. It seems like a similar polysaccharide matrix to me in terms of texture, and they're both symbiotic bacteria/yeast colonies supposedly.
          • Re: Kefir grains are amazing

            Sat, June 20, 2009 - 11:16 AM
            Starting w/ finished product =/= "trapping what's floating around"

            However, the finished products of fermentation are not a conductive environment to starting the process. Such is certainly the case with lactic fermentation where the PH and concentrations of final stage lactobacillus (or Pediococcus) colonies are antagonistic to the coliform -> Leuconostoc -> lactobacillus succession.

            Fermentation is a biological war over resources. And like any war, it is won by favorable conditions and superior numbers. The question then would be: are sufficient numbers of kefir micro colonies present in the final product to overcome competition for limited resources in a new environment before another micro organism gets the upper hand, or those resources become depleted. Or stated another way, are a small # of kefir micro colonies sufficiently vigorous to overcome the competition for lactose.

            I believe the simple answer is no. In my opinion Kefir is not a particularly vigorous competitor, but instead relies on large established colonies vastly overwhelming the competition through sheer numbers. luckily these colonies divide and can be traded.

            Kombucha on the other hand is vigorous and aggressive, hence the repeated success culturing it.

            just my $.02

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