kefir grains in or around nyc??

topic posted Tue, April 7, 2009 - 8:00 AM by  offlinewhelky
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I know I could order them from such-and-such site, but I'd rather get something local that's made of yeasts from nearby. Does anyone have some to lend out or can you recommend a place to buy them around here?
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whelky
Portland
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  • Stop buying kefir and yopgurt starter.

    Thu, September 24, 2009 - 1:31 PM
    Why do you need the "grains"?
    Why not make them yourself?

    I mean it's just bacteria. Lactobaccili & acidophilus if I'm correct.
    It's like the worlds biggest mystery if you try to learn how to make your own ion the Internet-S.

    Every body wants to sell you something. No information on how to make 'em.

    Yet they don't come from Darkest Africa mined in a secret mystical cave guarded by sentient Gorillas.

    It's fukin Yogurt. Yogurt dried, and rolled into little balls.

    You do know how to collect your own lactobacilli & acidophilus don't you?


    YOU DON'T ??

    That's because no body wants to share this.
    It's a secret

    It is a secret for a couple of reasons:
    1.) The vegetarians would have a fucking cow if they knew that their precious Kefir and Yogurt was made from slaughtering animals or insects and absolutely does contain some of the original culture from the poor dead cows or insects.
    (Translate: You're not a vegetarian any more~!!!)
    and
    2.) It is so stupidly simple that any damn fool can do it, and they'd rather sell it to you.



    You use the dirt from an ant hill or you can collect the ant eggs and roll them around in the milk.

    Either way you are going to need ants.

    Another way is to collect Lactobacilli and Acidophilus by leaving milk out under a cheese cloth (to keep the flies out) in the open air for a time.
    It’s slower but there’s both bacteria in the air.

    Ants as an interesting aside have natural antibiotics and anti-fungals that they produce naturally. How else would they exist in a warm wet environment? IF you are in the wilderness and are slashed open the easiest treatment you can lay had to is ants.


    Heat the milk
    Add the ant eggs or dirt ( eggs is a much cleaner option)
    But you only need a bit of dirt from an ant hill. Once you get a culture going you can let settle and titrate with more warm milk it and re-ferment till all the dirt is gone.

    You close the container up under several layers of cloth to keep other things out and let it rot (oops) er um ferment.

    In a day or so you can open it up and see what you got.
    There will be coagulated milk solids and lose watery liquids.
    The solids should look sort of like crumbly white goat cheese.

    That’s it.
    You made your own magic grains.

    According to the Turkish web pages we found, the best-tasting yogurt comes from anthill soil.

    I am pasting below a link to a video. It is in Turkish, so find a Turkish friend to help you work through it. But even if you can't speak Turkish, just watch along and you can pick up on what's going on:
    www.ekoses.com/ekolojikya...on_view.asp


    www.annemmutfakta.tv/video/h...dex.html

    Take these URLs and plug it onto Google Translate here:
    translate.google.com/translate_t

    And you can read how the Turks do it.

    There is a video of the process but you need a pass code
    You can cheat your way around that pass code by using REAL PLAYER downloader and letting it down load as a VLC media file then open it after it’s downloaded.



    Some people insist that the bacteria is obtained from the stomachs of cows. They are probably correct. But the Turks didn’t have cows to slaughter for bacteria.



    Now.
    Not one tiny smidgen if this is available on line. it's like the world's best kept secret.


    Which is to say I have just told you something that most people in the know would kill to keep secret.
    It is after all how they make their living.
    And they might see sales fall apart if the Vegetarians got wind of how it’s made.

    But, if a bunch of peasant assed, goat herding, Yurt dwelling, Turks can do it you can to.



  • Stop buying kefir and yopgurt starter.

    Thu, September 24, 2009 - 1:37 PM
    Why do you need the "grains"?
    Why not make them yourself?

    I mean it's just bacteria. Lactobaccili & acidophilus if I'm correct.
    It's like the worlds biggest mystery if you try to learn how to make your own ion the Internet-S.

    Every body wants to sell you something. No information on how to make 'em.

    Yet they don't come from Darkest Africa mined in a secret mystical cave guarded by sentient Gorillas.

    It's fukin Yogurt. Yogurt dried taken a step or two further till it forms a cheezy like little ball.

    You do know how to collect your own lactobacilli & acidophilus don't you?


    YOU DON'T ??

    That's because no body wants to share this.
    It's a secret

    It is a secret for a couple of reasons:
    1.) The vegetarians would have a fucking cow if they knew that their precious Kefir and Yogurt was made from slaughtering animals or insects and absolutely does contain some of the original culture from the poor dead cows or insects.
    (Translate: You're not a vegetarian any more~!!!)
    and
    2.) It is so stupidly simple that any damn fool can do it, and they'd rather sell it to you.



    You use the dirt from an ant hill or you can collect the ant eggs and roll them around in the milk.

    Either way you are going to need ants.

    Another way is to collect Lactobacilli and Acidophilus by leaving milk out under a cheese cloth (to keep the flies out) in the open air for a time.
    It’s slower but there’s both bacteria in the air.

    Ants as an interesting aside have natural antibiotics and anti-fungals that they produce naturally. How else would they exist in a warm wet environment? IF you are in the wilderness and are slashed open the easiest treatment you can lay had to is ants.


    Heat the milk
    Add the ant eggs or dirt ( eggs is a much cleaner option)
    But you only need a bit of dirt from an ant hill. Once you get a culture going you can let settle and titrate with more warm milk it and re-ferment till all the dirt is gone.

    You close the container up under several layers of cloth to keep other things out and let it rot (oops) er um ferment.

    In a day or so you can open it up and see what you got.
    There will be coagulated milk solids and lose watery liquids.
    The solids should look sort of like crumbly white goat cheese.

    That’s it.
    You made your own magic grains.


    www.ekoses.com/ekolojikya...on_view.asp


    www.annemmutfakta.tv/video/h...dex.html

    Take these URLs and plug it onto Google Translate here:
    translate.google.com/translate_t

    And you can read how the Turks do it.

    There is a video of the process but you need a pass code
    You can cheat your way around that pass code by using REAL PLAYER downloader and letting it down load as a VLC media file then open it after it’s downloaded.

    It will ( I guarantee you) blow your mind when you see them collecting ants. They even do a close up on ant eggs and God dammit is they don't have a special kind of ant that makes the best culture. \
    The video is soooo totally worth the bother of getting the latest VLC ( flv) video downloader.





    Some people insist that the bacteria is obtained from the stomachs of cows. They are probably correct. But the Turks didn’t have cows to slaughter for bacteria.



    Now.
    Not one tiny smidgen if this is available on line. it's like the world's best kept secret.


    Which is to say I have just told you something that most people in the know would kill to keep secret.
    It is after all how they make their living.
    And they might see sales fall apart if the Vegetarians got wind of how it’s made.

    But, if a bunch of peasant assed, goat herding, Yurt dwelling, Turks can do it you can to.



    • Re: Stop buying kefir and yopgurt starter.

      Thu, September 24, 2009 - 3:58 PM
      have you actually gotten kefir this way, Cliff? I haven't seen that work, and I've soured a lot of milk on purpose and by accident. I've also tried to make kefir with 'starter' from other kefir, without grains, and haven't seen that work either.

      I don't think they're the same thing. I do agree that there's a LOT of misinformation and other crap online about it, but it's a fairly specific mix of bugs that does the kefir trick.
      • Re: Stop buying kefir and yopgurt starter.

        Fri, September 25, 2009 - 9:12 AM
        sorry, I missed the ant part till I read your post a second time. I meant I haven't seen it work from just capturing wild microorganisms, something I"ve experimented with when making yogurt, and also making yogurt at room temperature.
        • Re: Stop buying kefir and yopgurt starter.

          Thu, October 1, 2009 - 12:29 PM
          I too have seen a lot of sour milk.
          I tried it as a way of capturing a sourdough yeast.

          Ants. Can you believe it? Ants ??

          FREAKING ANTS~!!!!!

          Often I wonder at the facts and circumstances that led the ancients to so many things they discovered.
          Ants. Squish up some ant eggs in your milk, it'll be goood for ya.

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