Soo...

topic posted Tue, July 31, 2007 - 7:00 AM by  jesse
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I've been practicing tribal belly dance for almost five years now and have been performing for about 2.5 of those years. I have dabbled into fusion, but my heart really lies in ATS (yes FCBD ATS, no others will do ;) I have recently done a few performances which have been videotaped and have watched them.......with my eyes half covered. hehe. And while everyone says they are good performances, I just can't see them as good enough! There are always things to practice and polish to me. I can never see myself as being good enough.

SO I guess my question is... does anyone else ever feel this way? Or does there come a point where you are confident enough in your dance to know that it's going to look good no matter what? This question is especially directed to you ladies who have been dancing longer than I have.

If this has already been covered in this tribe can someone pass on the link? :) THankS!
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jesse
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  • Re: Soo...

    Tue, July 31, 2007 - 8:16 AM
    oh, geez, i can ALWAYS find something to work on, and i've been dancing for almost 11 years. i think it's a really REALLY good thing to be able to always find parts of your dance to improve. becoming complacent is the best way to stay stuck in one place and not grow.
  • Re: Soo...

    Sat, August 4, 2007 - 6:51 AM
    I love that you say "practicing" and that you didn't perform immediately. That is so empowering for me. Thank you for that gift.

    I am not performing yet, so I don't have an answer from personal experience for you. I've been practicing Tribal for about a year and a half and strictly FC-ATS for about six months... I *thought* I was practicing FC-ATS when I started to formally study, but I wasn't... Long story. ;o) I have studied bellydance for over 13 years in some form or another, and I agree with you: FC-ATS is where my home and heart is. I am finally in a place that feels very dedicated (obsessed, even ;o).

    What I do have is a lot of listening experience from bellydance performers who do talk about always feeling they are lacking in some way. I hear that as the Quest for the Holy Grail of Perfection.

    I also have some philosophical mullings for you to ponder.

    What is "good enough"? Why would you want to be "good enough"? That is the end of the journey in a way. And it is limiting. Why are mistakes so frightening? They show the direction we don't want to go in. That's good information. Boundaries we don't have to seek any more. We can bring our energy around to another area and explore there or we can push the new boundary we just found. Also, the ebb and flow of "good" and "bad" are important for a satisfying performance. If it's all spectacular, the viewer gets overwhelmed and the performer gets jaded. Or to look at it another way, art that moves people has focal points, dark places, light spots, contrast. It brings up emotions and memories and helps us ponder life. Perhaps what is needed is figuring out a focus. What is it that you want to do with your art?

    Another way to look at "good enough" is perhaps you are finding an uncomfortable place (whether that's boredom, irritation, frustration, lack in some way) that is telling you to move on to another level. Sometimes moving on before you've put that last polish on something helps you come back to it and see what you were missing from a different, more mature and/or experienced perspective.

    You might be at an exciting break-through point. Sometimes I wonder why the heck I push the way I do with bellydance. I get tired of it. I get frustrated. I want to give up. But I have found that point is exactly when the exciting stuff is about to happen. I find having another thing to deepen is so satisfying. I feel odd when I don't have something to work on lined up for after I get done with what I'm currently working on. It helps me relax into my current work. I feel like I can take all the time in the world to enjoy my experience (and my frustrations because that means I'm on to something). I also feel like I can leave off with one piece of work if it gets to a point where I am well and truly stuck and go work on another piece of the puzzle. Usually that un-sticks me ;o).

    A practical viewpoint as well... Video sucks at picking up the energy nuances of a performance. Digital is especially "good" at picking up details that the human eye/brain gloss over and weaves into a bigger picture. I've seen myself on video and I know that inner-cringe. ;o) But I also have a more objective view. I've seen videos of live performances of other dancers and it just doesn't compare to being there. The video picks up things I didn't get to see, but it also shows a flattened view. The excitement of the crowd; the smells in the air; the sounds around you; the electric feeling. Not there on video. At it's best, it reminds us of the experience if we were there.

    Video is indispensable in so many ways. But it doesn't really show Reality. Just a slice of it. From a camera's point of view. Video is a tool and a postcard or souvenir of an experience. So look at your videos, but maybe do so with a kind eye and a compassionate heart. You deserve that, yes? :)

    Peace, Andrea.
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      Re: Soo...

      Sat, August 4, 2007 - 7:15 AM
      Lovely post, Andrea, and just what some of us needed to hear. Thanks!
    • Re: Soo...

      Sat, August 4, 2007 - 7:58 AM
      thank you for your post, andrea, that was really great. i love your philosophy!

      one thing that really stuck out for me, that i wanted to comment on:

      "Why are mistakes so frightening? "

      people are afraid of looking bad. and often they equate making mistakes with looking bad. in dance, when you make mistakes, often it's in front of other people, so there you are, looking bad in front of other people.

      i think that people who are truly successful in any artistic endeavor have an openness, and are not worried that they will look like a fool if they make mistakes.

      you have to make mistakes in order to learn. it's part of the deal. if you don't make mistakes, you never grow. it goes all the way back to childhood. you have to put your hand on that hot burner, and get burned. and you do it again and again in so many different ways.

      i've talked to people who don't want to perform until they are absolutely perfect. that is the worst way to improve your dancing. you have to be willing to put yourself out there, fall on your face, and get up again. and do it over and over and over.

      even now, just about every performance,i can pick out something i would have done differently, or, ha, 'better'.
      • Re: Soo...

        Sat, August 4, 2007 - 10:42 AM
        thanks for your responses Andrea and Wendy!

        Andrea- I've printed out your post so I can read it whenever I'm feeling a bit frustrated. I guess my problem is more that I don't have anybody to push me. There are no really advanced ATS teachers in London, so a lot of the motivation all pretty much comes from within... and that can get pretty tiring after a while. I have made the commitment to travel to Carolena/FCBD teachers whenever they come to Europe. I'm looking forward to Tribal: Pura in Milan in November!

        Wendy- I'm not so much worried that I'm making a fool of myself in front of other people, I do that all the time anyways ;) tee-heet. I guess my obsession with perfection comes from being a painter. Anything that I present to an audience has to have a certain degree of perfection....if that makes any sense at all....

        I love performing...and I'm pretty sure people enjoy my performances. I just cringe when I watch myself and always see things that need improvement, and I'm glad that I'm not the only one who sees themselves that way. My husband always says that I'm the only person that notices my mistakes.

        my next question is: who do you enjoy performing for more? A regular audience, who has no prior knowledge of the dance form, or the dance community.

        I always find myself to be WAY more nervous when I perform for other dancers. Like they are picking apart everything I'm doing....

        thanks again ladies!
        • Re: Soo...

          Sat, August 4, 2007 - 1:02 PM
          Can I just say that Jesse is a beautiful dancer & absolutely inspired me to get my ass into gear & practise more?! It was so great to be at Tribal Ford (in the UK), watching all the performances then see Jesse & the girls get up and do pure FatChance - makes you really feel part of something : )
          • Re: Soo...

            Sat, August 4, 2007 - 4:14 PM
            awwwwwwe! Thank you Amanda!!!!!!! *blush* That was a pretty awesome experience though. Most of us had just met each other that evening too!

            That's why ATS is so awesome. :D
        • Which Witness Do You Seek?

          Sun, August 5, 2007 - 7:39 AM
          The path I seek for demonstrating ATS to the public is this:

          Tribe Salons & New Moon Dances => Informal Public Drum Circles => Small Music/Art Oriented Gigs => Local Ren Faires => Small Local Bellydance Gigs

          After that, I'm not sure where we'll go and we're leaving it open because our vision will probably change.

          I am not interested in dancing in front of a huge crowd of other dancers until I can accept that their reactions are theirs. Audiences need the mythic story of the dance to give them the opportunity to really feel their own pain, glory, sadness, anger, happiness, frustrations etc. I am not ready to ground and shield from that yet. I still tend to take things very personally.

          I know myself. I would freeze up in front of a knowledgeable witness right now. I'm too judgmental and that would mirror right back at me. So I'm taking it "easy" and giving us plenty of opportunity to practice being mirrors for other people in gentle venues. I have all the time in the world and I plan on unfolding in a Southern slow kind of way ;o).

          I know this is going to work for my particular tribe because we are becoming more and more comfortable with being in front of people in everyday situations demoing a move to one another etc. (We just a bunch of intellectual introverts, I swear! LOL) What we are doing now is renting a studio and working on really understanding the body-science of the FC-ATS moves. Carolena has said it's all there on the DVDs and she's really so not kidding. There's so much information packed in there. It's like genetic encoding. It just keeps going on and on... What a gift! Our next focus is working on group flow and feeling that connection once you know what the cues are and what you are supposed to do after those cues.

          Here's some more philosophy to ponder:

          Therapy / Yoga / Spirituality

          These things really get mixed up and they are very much their own entities.

          Therapy takes dysfunction to function. (Which is what my tribe is doing in the physical realm making sure our bodies are aligned properly, our ligaments are ready, and our muscles are trained to support us.) You need a safe environment to do this work. You need to do this work in order to properly support yourself. Therapy fixes that which is broken. Think of a stained glass window that is broken and dirty. Therapy replaces broken panes and reinforces the lead supports and frame.

          Yoga is art. It works with edges. It's always pushing us into the very realm of the impossible. It is not safe. But it should be done carefully, with compassion and kindness. Yoga can be done while broken. Obviously, it would be a more full experience to fix things before clearing things out. But life does not always allow things to proceed in a logical, rational manner and art is anything but logical and rational in a lot of ways. (This is where my tribe is headed.) It is the Flow. Yoga clears the dust and grime off of the window.

          Spirituality is The Glowing. The light shines through and it is a way of Being. You can be broken and have no particular edge and have a spiritual epiphany. But the light shining through a gorgeous clear stained glass window is quite spectacular, no?

          Function, Flow, Glow. All that to show that FC-ATS, for me, is a very powerful personal Way. So performance isn't the end-all be-all for me. It is another tool for discovery. Dancing in front of other dancers will be a very powerful experience for me. But is it so much more powerful than an uninformed Witness? I think other dancers witness in a much different way, but a Joe Blow audience might not see that really tough transition and be impressed or see how you flubbed something and then wove it back into the experience. Eventually, I will find out, yes? :)

          I would like to shine in all my imperfect glory and be filled up with that golden elixir of Being in the Now. I want to use the dance to be an alchemist and transform the energy of the Witness (The Dark, Shiva) and the energy of the Dancer (The Light, Shakti) into pure gold.

          Perfectionism has no place there.

          Peace and Love,

          Andrea.

          P.S. The Function/Flow/Glow is from Integral Psychology. I can't remember the particular teacher's name off of the top of my head. Wikipedia "Ken Wilbur" for more info.
          • Re: Which Witness Do You Seek?

            Sun, August 5, 2007 - 7:54 AM
            Dang it! LOL I forgot to mention that I sort of fibbed when I said I don't perform. We have tribe salons in the studio and we have New Moon dances where we dance to live music performed by friends and family. We find a lot of empowerment and joy in dancing for our intimate community. Mistakes are made and the tribe-mate is supported by the rest of the tribe when it happens. It all gets woven into the flow and brings about new change.

            We find a certain ebb and flow of chaos and order in our dance. The "conversations" we have between the musicians, ourselves, each other and the tribe as it's own entity are amazing. Transformative.

            We always jump up to a new level in the studio after a New Moon dance. Sometimes that's not so comfortable... LOL

            Andrea.
    • Re: Soo...

      Sun, August 5, 2007 - 8:05 AM
      "Another way to look at "good enough" is perhaps you are finding an uncomfortable place (whether that's boredom, irritation, frustration, lack in some way) that is telling you to move on to another level. Sometimes moving on before you've put that last polish on something helps you come back to it and see what you were missing from a different, more mature and/or experienced perspective. "

      Andrea, you are so right with this. Sometimes you need to realize that it's time to move on to get past the uncomfortable place and then come back to see what was missing and work on it. If I stay in that uncomfortable place and struggle with it, I find that I don't accomplish anything. So leave it and come back with a new perspective.

      Ma'assalama - Go in Peace

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