Money Shame

topic posted Sat, January 20, 2007 - 11:40 AM by  FAUST
Ok, so for some time now I've been reflecting on a phenomenon I've observed for most of my life that I call Prosperity Guilt. I define it as the feelings that many people I've known or observed have when they have an abundance of prosperity and then feel guilty that they have it and others don't. I'm still working on the full write up of this behavior, but for now, have tabled it in favor of a different observation that has come about through my new career as a Financial Advisor.

I have observed in people from all socio-economic levels a certain amount of shame attached to how they view money, how they feel they handle money, and/or some shame in that they don't feel they handle it/understand it well enough as they "should", according to their own perspective.

My money shame led me into learning all I could about it, and how to have it work for me and others. I'm taking an informal poll for those of you willing to help me assess this social phenomenon.

So, if you are inclined, tell me how much shame you do or do not have about your finances. I'm curious to see if there are similar patterns afoot, as I suspect there are.

Thanks,

Faust
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FAUST
California
  • Re: Money Shame

    Mon, January 22, 2007 - 10:16 PM
    As you know, I have experienced this with a few friends too, and been affected by it myself.

    My feeling on it probably needs to be explored a little further, but I personally believe that money is a tool, nothing more. It can be used in many different ways, and it's how people choose to use it that determines their character, not the amount they have.

    When I think of all this I think of a friend of mine and a conversation we had last year. Because of her personal set of beliefs, it was if she purposely avoided career paths that would excel her financially because she had moral opposition to having a well-paying job. She wanted to do jobs that would do other people good, but not make her wealthy at the same time. Then it was pointed out to her that if she found a job where she could both do good, and make gobs of money (which would be possible with the career she was interested in), then she could do multiple times more good for others with that. It was like she never had seen it that way. Just saw "Money is Bad."

    Back to me. I think to a degree we use money as a way to keep score of our personal success. Ultimately, that's rediculous, but we do it anyhow. However, given the free market we live in offers gobs of ways to show off your money just for this reason, (even if it means going into extreme debt), this is totally reinforced. It's a tough current to navigate, and at some point we all get a touch of "keepin' up with the Jone's." I don't think I have a bad case of it, but I certainly feel shame at times for what I can't show in my bank account. But I reassure myself knowing that I am steadily building my personal dollar worth as time goes by, with a plan in place to help when I need it. And, it's also about giving the finger to those that see me driving my fully-paid-for 98 Honda Civic, while in their H2 looking down their noses at me. Screw them! Luxury cars are insanely bad investments, and it just tells me how dumb they are about money.
  • Re: Money Shame

    Wed, January 31, 2007 - 7:03 PM
    Personally, having money is not something I think a person needs to feel any shame over. Money itself is just an object and a tool. How you get it and how you use it can be something to be ashamed of or it can be something to be proud of. As my wife and I are both surgeons, we have a fair amount of money. I am not ashamed of that, but this may be due to the fact that 1.) Counting college, medical school, and residency I've invested 15 years of my life just to get to the point where I am now - and residency consisted of working 80-120 hours per week, little or no sleep every third night, and a total of 5 or 6 weekends off in a 5 year period. 2.) I have a personally rewarding job and I get to make a significant impact on other people's lives (for the better I hope) on a daily basis. 3.) I do not have to worry about ever being able to provide for my family and I don't have to worry about having money after I retire.
    I could go into more detail, but I'm not trying to brag. I am just trying to emphasize my point that how you earn the money and how you spend/invest it is what matters. Unfortunately those people who don't earn their money or those who steal it, and those who accumulate money for the sake of getting more money probably don't feel any shame about it, even if they should (Paris Hilton, the Enron crew, etc). If you do feel shame over having money, I doubt it is just the money itself that is the source of the shame. I am comfotable with how I've gotten my money and how I am using it, so I don't feel ashamed at all.
    • Re: Money Shame

      Thu, February 1, 2007 - 4:38 PM
      DAMN GOOD POINT...KIEV...
      With what you said in mind, maybe you'll appreciate this:
      Work for the Coast Guard...Mechanic servicing the vessels in between trips they take...BACKBREAKING and DEMANDING when
      the ships are in dock and need attention...I'd rather get into less THANKLESS platforms in the mechanical engineering world,
      and I don't see myself RETIRING in the Coast Guard...But I EARN the money I make, and even though I might spend more than I make in a month (which includes BILLS and FUN MONEY combined)...which DOES make me feel a STAB of shame/guilt occasionally,
      I'm starting to feel that LESS AND LESS lately, because I make sure the NECESSITIES are the FIRST thing I pay for. Finally realized that there's NOTHING to be ashamed of if you make an honest living, and take care of the priorities that happen to require MONEY to be taken care of ( healthy mind/body, roof over the head, decent clothing, etc) before running to TOWER RECORDS and grabbing the new (band name HERE) album/DVD!!!
      • Re: Money Shame

        Thu, April 12, 2007 - 4:09 AM
        My relationship with money has always been rocky.

        The first big bump was when I saw my Mother die penniless after having worked hard all her life.

        Another big bump was when I realized that at least half of what I have ever earned went in taxes to a government who is always cutting services and complaining about not having enough of it.

        The real derailment occurred when I discovered that all money is FIAT money--meaning it is not backed by anything, that the law says we have to accept it as payment(legal tender) and that it has value only because we all have faith in it.

        What that points to is that all money is DEBT. It only exists at all because a bank "loaned" it to someone else. The bank created it out of nothing. They didnt take dollars out of a vault---they merely made an entry in the computer.

        Naturally such realizations bid me to learn more.

        A few more things; the more money that is in circulation, the less valuable it becomes(Economics 101). So that every time we get a loan we are in some way, however small contributing to inflation.

        Money does not serve it's intended purpose in a technological society, even when it is backed by something valuable like silver or gold. Why? because machines are not consumers.

        So, for your poll, I understand it well enough to say that money and ideas about money stand directly in the way of our own true abundance. And the less I depend on money, the more abundance comes to me.

        As a Financial Advisor Faust, you may not wish to hear that and I mean no offense. It's just that you asked and I answered. Maybe this wasnt the social phenomenon that you were referring to.

        As for Money Shame, I leave that to those who should feel ashamed, those who write money into existence
        and then demand interest payments. Without a care in the world to who gets hurt by it.

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