World Naked Bike RIdes

topic posted Mon, June 15, 2009 - 9:04 AM by  jOe
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We just had a very wild WNBR weekend, here in Portland, Estimates range,depending on the souce, from 3 to 5 THOUSAND riders. It was incredible fun,and most particpants felt a big sense of belonging to a larger bike community, most understood the message of WNBR.. Yet to the local media,it was the nudity,not the message of WNBR (reducing car use, the effects of auto based transportation, cyclists rights/ shared use of roadways, ecological and social impacts of fossil based transport,etc)

My question is whether WNBR actually gets its message across to the non-cycling ( car based) part of the population,or is WNBR mostly a feel good exercise for cyclists/non car people?

My personal feeling from portland is that its mostly a feel good event, that those who dont use bikes mostly view it as titilation,not street theater..

any thoughts?





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  • Re: World Naked Bike RIdes

    Mon, June 15, 2009 - 2:58 PM
    **My question is whether WNBR actually gets its message across to the non-cycling ( car based) part of the population,or is WNBR mostly a feel good exercise for cyclists/non car people?**

    WNBR doesn't even necessarily communicate it's message to the hardcore transportational cyclist crowd. Until you posted this, I had no idea that there was an underlying message to the WNBR, and I've been everything from a car-free dedicated commuter, to a bike courier, to a car-lite transportational cyclist out of personal choice.

    Unless your affiliation's mission statement is "10 reasons why we think clothes suck", being naked in public isn't going to be seen as anything more than just that: Naked in publc. (It doesn't work for PETA, either. "Oooh, look. Naked people painted like animals!")
  • Re: World Naked Bike RIdes

    Sat, June 20, 2009 - 1:18 PM
    if anything i'd think it would have the opposite of the intended effect on your standard issue car driver.

    it just plays into the stereotype of cyclists as left wing radicals with lots of kooky beliefs.

    i think that bicycle acceptance comes from making bicycles mainstream. that means we just have to make bicycles another part of the basic flow of traffic and, i hate to have to say it over and over, but cyclists also need to respect the rules of the road, just like cars do.

    if the message of WNBR is increasing bike commuting and bike transportation, then it should be more about showing that it's possible, that many people can and do use a bike for transport and commuting. you want to provide something the average Joe can identify with. wold naked bike ride won't convert anyone who isn't already a diehard for cause (and even then, lots of those won't be terribly impressed by the nudist part either).
    • Re: World Naked Bike RIdes

      Sun, June 21, 2009 - 11:45 AM
      Iv'e participated in two WNBR's in Seattle WA
      their standard chant is "Less Gas,More Ass",it's about the bicycle as a viable means of transportation as a non polluting human powered vehicle. The reason the cyclist's are naked is becuase it goes with the organisations philosophy of "a peaceful protest ride against the obscenity of gasoline powered transportation and the naked vulnerability of bicyclists vs cars".
      What WNBR is:
      One of the most fun "Protests" in the world
      Men and Women coming together with the same philosophy of "non gasoline powered transportation for all and baring it all to show our vulnerability against motor vehicles"
      What WNBR is not:
      A lewd display of sexually charged pedal powered nudity
      men riding bicycles "sporting boners"
      Women riding bicycles "flashing titties"
      A "group of crazy naked bicyclists".
      of course there is NO WNBR here where I LIVE....I live in IDAHO and nudity here is viewed with about the same 1950's attitude as in Southern Alabama! The "Rednecks" here would SHOOT at Us!
      • Re: World Naked Bike RIdes

        Mon, June 22, 2009 - 10:22 AM
        i'm sure it's fun, but if you're doing a protest, the message isn't getting delivered to the people that count. People who don't already side with you and strongly agree with with the "less gas, more ass" motto just see WNBR as all the things you say it is not. it's a message that will solidify the idea of 'crazy bicyclists' in the minds of those who don't already support you, and outside of a good time, it doesn't do much to support you. a protest that doesn't actually seek to change anyone's mind is just a party that makes all the participants feel smug. we have those things all the time in berkeley.
        • Re: World Naked Bike RIdes

          Fri, June 26, 2009 - 4:19 PM
          And,Critical Mass is?
          Their "Message" is:
          We are violent cyclist's and if YOU get in OUR WAY and we will overturn your SUV with YOU in It!
          *nuff said"!
          The ONLY effective Bicycle Legislation ever passed in this country was back in the cyclist-rights humble beginnings in the early 1970's(before most of you on here were even out of diapers and on your first tricycle) done by The Legue Of American Wheelmen of wich I was a Boston Chapter member(1971).
          What we didn't do:
          Ride around naked
          Overturn cars at major city intersections
          rack up a nice BIG arrest record
          Shout obscenities back at motorists
          pick fights with motorist's and Cops
          what we DID do:
          Peaceful demonstration rides to show the dangers of bicyclist's vs motorist's( this was before america had a SINGLE "bike path or bike lane" in it) that ALL came about after 1974.
          Wrote to our congresspersons and visited them in person to get across our point of the NEED for bike lanes and bike paths across america and for new Laws that protect the bicyclist when we are hit by motor vehicles
          held cycling benefit venues to promote the health benefits of cycling eventually proving that bicycling is the singelmost healthful excercise in existence
          organised and staged the very first "group rides" across cities in America
          organise the very first "non sanctioned bicycle races" in America(amature level-non-pro)
          Organised the first "Cancer Reserch Benefit Pledge Rides" for the Sydney Farber Cancer Reserch Center(in Boston)
          Through our grass-roots efforts,we got the first bicycle paths built in major cities and later,the first bike lanes to allow cyclist's to share the road with motorist's.
          Did we have to ride naked to do it? No.
          Did we have to overturn SUV's to do it? No.
          WE are soley responsible for all of todays cyclist's for having brought about the beginning of the bike trails,bike paths,bike lanes and bicycle laws that are in place today.
          We were "The Legue Of American Wheelmen ....we are today "The Legue Of American Bicyclist's"(wheel"Men" is not currently politically correct so it was changed to include all bicyclist's).
          Sure,WNBR is a lot of fun,but is it "the right message" No,Just as Critical Mass is also not "the right message".
          • jOe
            jOe
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            WNBR is not CM, or LAW,either.

            Sun, June 28, 2009 - 2:46 PM
            Jake, point taken regarding the value of working with lawmakers, developing policy, building relationships with local government, and such. This is important work that needs to be done,to insure legal parity,build and improve facilities, and develop a cycling community that is a respected part of the larger community we live in.
            One thing I learned when I was on the steering committee here in Portland for Bikesummer 2002 was the importance of fun. Holding events such as bike polo, camping by bike, womens specific events, hash rides, pub crawls, donut rides, etc connect people who otherwise might not ride for transportation. Once those connections are made, community builds and, drawn by fun and social connection ( which is sadly lacking in our auto based world) these same cyclists begin advocating for safe facilities to ride on, and the cycling community in times becomes more polically important, and their voices are heard.
            Critical Mass is a heated topic. Since the rides are independent of others, each ride has its own flavor. I have never witnessed cars/SUVs being overturned. I have witnessed confrontational behavior by all parties, polce,motorists and cyclists. I do have to note since 'critical mass' has been achieved here in Portland, CM rides are either not happening,or are so small they get lost in the daily bustle of bike traffic,no one notices them anymore. Perhaps CM is strident and confrontational in somep places. Does that mean that cyclists are not getting their right to safe access to the commons, ie public roadways, met? In time, CM became so confrontational with the City Police, and cost the City so much in overtime and disruption, it became expedient to establish communications between the factions, and some of the demanded changes occured. At the same time, there was an ongoing investment in facilities improvements for cycling. But I maintain that even if the City had built all these new facilities, without the social connection of cyclists ( of which CM was certainly a part), we would not witness the widespread embarace of transportation cycing .

            In short, a successful cycling communithy requires infrastructure and community. And folks working towards both ends. My initial query was whether WNBR is successful in getting their message tout. Apparently, not so well. a local PR guy noted koifishcommunications.com/blog/...00855/

            I feel that each town and city gets the facilities,respect and the community they demand . Cars are the biggest 'user group' for our roadways. And our biggest threat. Most cyclists also drive. Life almost requires that, the way our cities are structured, with sprawling urban cores, and total reliance on the freeway to move people. Cycling will be part of that change, but will require decades of work. You noted successes of the early 70's,but since then, the statistics show much more growth in auto use than in cycling. We are stll a voice in the wilderness.

            And if getting nekkid in public would change that, I probably would get nekked.
          • Re: World Naked Bike RIdes

            Mon, June 29, 2009 - 1:14 PM
            i don't like critical mass either, for similar reasons.
            • jOe
              jOe
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              CM

              Mon, June 29, 2009 - 1:57 PM
              don't like critical mass either, for similar reasons

              no one is making you.. You don't speak for those who participate,nor rhey for you. Our cycling community is not monolithic. And yet, in the eyes of many non-cyclists, we are. CM as I noted, is only one part of this larger cycling community. And CM is different,depending on locale. But the original query was about WNBR. Perhaps if you feel the need to hash out CM, you might start your specific thread? Its free.
              • Re: CM

                Mon, June 29, 2009 - 2:00 PM
                Hey, after I've almost been run over numerous times while trying to legally walk my bike across a street in a crosswalk, and then being subsequently ignored by the police when I complain, I'm about to consider some serious action to. It's one thing to complain about bicyclists...it's another thing to ignore the law because someone is a bicyclist.
              • Re: CM

                Thu, July 2, 2009 - 10:05 AM
                I was just making a comment on the discussion. It's perfectly relevant to the point that was being made, which is that CM and WNBR are not helpful to the cause of increasing cyclist awareness and respect. CM has been discussed widely in this forum. Perhaps you just need to calm down a bit.
                • Re: CM

                  Mon, July 6, 2009 - 4:57 AM
                  While true,the message of WNBR is often lost by the "sensational" nature of the rides (being naked on a bike) I think it will be another decade or so before WNBR is accepted Nationwide here in the USA.
                  In the 06 Seattle Ride I rode in with my younger brother there were major issues by the Seattle PD. We began the ride at a small out-of-the way Park with about 75 naked riders (men/women both) we were just lucky that yr that the weather wasn't "50 degree's and raining" wich it usually is in July in Western Wa State,it was actually a RARE 80 degree SUNNY day. from there we rode to the International Fountain at Seattle Center,jumped in the fountain,and then on to Madrona Park on the shore of Lake Washington,en route to Madrona Park we passed a Wedding Party of about 200 people,the "bride waved" as we "streaked" past. At Madrona Park the Seattle Police started to get "Antsy" and began harrassing the naked cyclist's there. The leader of our group showed the Police that we had obtained a "legal permit" to stage the ride "naked" and that this was not Seattle's "first NBR"(it was actually the 3rd yr ride) the Seattle PD insisted that "they'd gotten too many complaints by parents of children" at Madrona Park and that the group could not complete the ride "naked" Using the Permit as our "right to ride" our groups leader defied the clothing order and we rode on to Seward Park,being "dogged by the Cops". At Seward Park there was a child's outdoor birthday party in progress with 40 guests and as we rode into Seward Park,the Seattle PD began arresting those who would not comply with the clothed-only order we were issued at Madrona Park taking away members of the ride naked in handcuffs and "tossing their bikes in another paddywagon". Me and my little brother chose to put on our "minimums" (Speedo Swimsuits) rather than allow ourselves to be arrested. At that point the ride was broken up and we were all ordered to leave Seward Park. My brother and I rode the 19 miles alone back to my pickup truck in our shorts. For my brother's "first WNBR" I can say he "wasn't impressed" by the way it ended.
                  Now I am living here in Southeastern IDAHO and Iv'e thought about organising a WNBR here in Pocatello(pop 60,000 residents) using Idaho State University as my "base" since it's here in my little mt town however,Idaho State Law prohibits even "Nude Dancers"(we have "Bikini Clad Dancers" here in our straight nudie bars) so I've abanoned that Idea especially since these small-town Cops are "very weird about ceartain things" and god only KNOWS "what" would happen IF we were arrested for riding a bike naked here.
                  WNBR is a great Idea who's time is yet to come.

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