The Real Truth about "Recumbent Bicycles"

topic posted Sun, May 24, 2009 - 7:31 PM by  Jake
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Ok so Iv'e been on these Bike Tribes for about 4 years now and Ive taken a LOT of really hate-filled flack from our "devoted Roadies" in all the forums concerning Recumbent Bicycles like the one Iv'e rode for three years now. let's set a few things straight shall we?
Recumbents CAN CLIMB!
Recumbent Bikes are just like road or recreational bicycles,how well they climb steep grades depends on what level of bicycle you purchased (like with any bike). If your on a Huffy Brand K Mart 99 dollar blue light special in aisle 9 of course that bike wont climb as good as a 1,500 dollar lemond Carbon Fiber Wonda-Bike! becuase it's going to be as heavy as a Sherman TANK,have lousy non-hill climbing geometry and it really is basically a flatland beach cruiser dressed up to "look like a Fast Road Bike".
Even "entry-level" Recumbents like my Sun EZ-1 SX can climb,admittedly becuase it is an 800 dollar "entry level bike" it wont climb as FAST as an 800 dollar aluminum framed Carbon forked Road Bike. And "how we climb" is different on Recumbents.
On a Road Bike at the steepest apex of a hillclimb he/she must stand on the pedals and PUMP HARD to maintain a good speed going up steep grades. On my Recumbent I comfortably lean INTO the back of my body-contoured Seat and push on the pedals with my hips and thighs and I go right up the steepest inclines just like everyone else on their road bikes.
Recumbents are not BIG and Clunky:
Once again,you can buy a pretty "Clunky" road bike from Wal-Mart that will be "clunkier" than ANY currently avalable Recumbent.
Like the road bike industry,IF you have the BIG Bucks to spend(3,500-5,000:00),you can also get a 17 lb Carbon Fiber framed Recumbent made by Rotator,Easy Racers or Lightning that will "smoke" any comparably equipped Carbon Fiber Road wonda-bike out there,Why do you think the Racing industry "outlawed Recumbents"? becuase they are faster than ANY upright road bike currently in production. The current world human powered land speed record is held by a guy on an Easy Racers Recumbent.
Recumbent's aren't "Bikes for OLD People":
Most Lycra'd up Roadies scoff at both Recumbent Bicycles and those fast efficient Recumbent Tadpole Trikes(two wheels up front/and one rear wheel) why? Mostly becuase they have NEVER rode one! So few Bicycle Shops carry Recumbent Bikes and Trikes,"we" are few and far bettween. Most of these Road Rider's think Recumbents are for "Old People" and persons with disabilities who can't ride an upright bicycle and that is just NOT true!
lastly,Recumbents are truly comfortable efficient Bicycles,unlike upright bikes. Osteophysicians will tell you that the pain we all experience while riding our upright bikes is becuase of the stress placed on the human body when perched atop these bikes.
On an upright bicycle the entire weight of your body is placed on the peri-anal region and on your hands and arms,this is why we experience pain such as "Numb Crotch Syndrome" in our peri-anal area,"Carpal Tunnel Syndrome" in our hands,and neck,back,arm and shoulder pain while riding these bicycles.
The Recumbent Position or "reclining" position on a Recumbent Bicycle eliminates ALL of these severe body pressure points. Your peri-anal region is fully supported in a "reclining chair-like ergonomically designed seat" with lumbar support for your lower back region,your hands are placed loosly on the bike's handlebars and not used to support your body weight,but just to "steer the bike".You aren't "hunched over the handlebars" like in the drop bar racing position on a road bike so their is NONE of the PAIN we all experience riding our upright bicycles.Recumbent bikes are the most efficient form of human powered transportation,so next time you Roadies laugh hysterically at the "Bent Rider" who just passed you,why not stop and talk and ask for a ride? I let a LOT of people try my Recumbent becuase ALL of them say "hey this really is comfortable and Fast". If more people test rode a Recumbent,the upright bicycle industry would be in trouble becuase Recumbents are nice fast comfortable bikes,and today's Recumbents can be purchased for not much more than a good Road Bike(700-3,000:00).
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Jake
Idaho
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  • Re: The Real Truth about "Recumbent Bicycles"

    Sun, May 24, 2009 - 9:52 PM
    The only thing I'll argue is about carpal tunnel and numb crotch syndromes. I spend upwards of 20 hours at a single ride on my traditional diamond frame, astride a traditional unsprung and unpadded leather saddle. No problems with numb hands or nards.
    Properly fitted, an upright rider will be perched on the saddle using their ischial protuberences (sit bones) for support and maintaining a torso angle which keeps heavy pressure off the hands to avoid numbness and pain in the hands/arms/and shoulders.

    There are many 'bent riders out on the longest brevets and grand randonnees (1000k, 1200k and 1400k).
    • Re: The Real Truth about "Recumbent Bicycles"

      Mon, May 25, 2009 - 12:07 PM
      Your right Cliff,however,Numb Crotch Syndrome is cuased by the pressure on the ischial protruberances(sit bones) as well as pressure from an improperly fitted saddle that can also press on the pubic bone itself. The problem is,there are three main nerves that run under the sit bones and two that run under the pubic bone. ANY sustained pressure on any of these five nerves can(and do) cuase pain and numbness on a sustained ride of long duration.
      Numerous "anatomical saddles" have been designed over the last 20 years to address this issue but even the best and most expensive of these doesn't cut it and they all are uncomfortable on a five-six hour ride.
      The human Glutteus Maximus was designed to support the weight of the body evenly on the Glutteal Muscles,with the sit bones slightly toward the center.In a padded chair,this is a comfortable seating position for many hours depending on the quality of the chair you are seated in.
      On an upright Bicycle,the "Saddle" is(usually) a narrow rounded area with a "nose",since most of your Glutteal Muscles hang over the sides of this "narrow perch" they cannot support the body like a "Chair" can and as a result,the saddle is pressing directly on the Ischial protruberances(sit bones). Even with an "anatomical saddle" wich tries to pad this area and mould the saddle to the sit bones,becuase you aren't sittin on your Glutteals,sustained seating directly on the sit bones cuases discomfort and eventually as the nerves under the sit bones slowly compress,numbness and pain sets in.
      I am an old former Road Bike Racer (in my younger days in my 20's)and I have also toured over 5,000 miles across the U.S. so I KNOW about the discomfort of riding our upright bikes and it takes a "steel set of glutteals" to NOT feel any pain from these saddles.
      People say "ohh but I ride a COMFORT Bike",when in reality,these new Comfort Bikes are not really "comfortable" becuase there is still the saddle issue and the geometry of these bikes STINKS! becuase their handlebars are (way!) higher than their saddle,they cant climb a steep grade worth a damn. These bikes are better suited as "beach boulevard cruisers" where it is totally flat.
      I cannot say ENOUGH about the COMFORT of Recumbents and not just mine as I have ridden MANY styles of Recumbent Bicycle and Tadpole Trikes and nothing on two or three wheels is as comfortably efficient as these bicycles are.
      • Re: The Real Truth about "Recumbent Bicycles"

        Mon, May 25, 2009 - 2:22 PM
        "ohh but I ride a COMFORT Bike"

        Ugh! Those overstuffed oversized saddles are just asking for soft tissue damage!


        **Numerous "anatomical saddles" have been designed over the last 20 years to address this issue but even the best and most expensive of these doesn't cut it and they all are uncomfortable on a five-six hour ride.**

        I don't know about that. I just finished up a 6 hour ride and my behind feels fine. Even after my 17hr 300k a couple months ago, I felt fine afterwards. Even rode my bike 15 miles to work the next day. I have a Brooks B-17 Imperial, and two B-17 Champion Standard saddles; one for each of my 3 bikes. I wouldn't switch to anything else right now.
        • Re: The Real Truth about "Recumbent Bicycles"

          Mon, May 25, 2009 - 2:36 PM
          I can handle 6 hours on my cheap $10 saddle on my touring bike. Also, you keep your upper body better toned riding in an upright.
          • Re: The Real Truth about "Recumbent Bicycles"

            Mon, May 25, 2009 - 4:11 PM
            It sounds like you have never ridden a Recumbent TMbo but I am not surprised as 99% of the cycling populous beleves that there is no upper body workout in the reclining position on a bent bike.
            On an upright you use your legs and thighs to propel the bicycle in foreward motion and hold up the upper torso of you body on your hands and arms hence,the "numb hands" Ulnar nerve (carpal tunnel)issues with upright bikes, the only time your torso and abdomen gets a workout is when you are pulling up on the handlebars to get up steep grades,in the "seated foreward" position on an upright bicycle,all the power transmitted to the cranks is in the legs and thighs,not your abdominals.
            In the reclined position on a bent becuase you push laterally(horizontally) against the cranks to propel the bike foreward,you are using your (lateral) abdominal muscles,your glutteals,and(minimally) your thighs to propel the bike. It is true however,that on a Bent Bike,your arms do not get a good workout becuase on a bent bike or a bent trike(Tadpole/underseat steer) your hands and arms are used only to steer the bike and not used to support your foreward leaning body as they do on a racing style drop bar road bike.
            • Re: The Real Truth about "Recumbent Bicycles"

              Mon, May 25, 2009 - 4:19 PM
              Clif
              If you are riding on a Brooks Leather Saddle then you are more comfortable than about 90% of the cycling populous becuase those unpadded Leather Saddles made by Brooks are the most comfortable Saddle on the Planet!
              I had a Brooks B-15 Professional Narrow on my Raleigh Pro when Racing with the bike in 1975 and I also had a Brooks B-17 Standard on my Raleigh Super Course Touring 15 speed in 1976.
              Back in those days you bought your Brooks Saddle,took it home and soaked the underside of the leather in Neets Foot Oil,the same stuff Cowboys broke their new Horse Saddles in with and in about 4 weeks it "moulded itself to th shape of your sit bones" and was like a Hammock!
              Brooks Saddles are still the Best although most Racing Pro's use synthetic Saddles with a Carbon Fiber base and Titanium Rails today.
              • Re: The Real Truth about "Recumbent Bicycles"

                Mon, May 25, 2009 - 8:39 PM
                I usually suggest not using Neatsfoot Oil, or some of the silicone based oils because they clog the pores in the leather and (with heavy riders like me) can lead to premature sagging of the saddle, but I know plenty of people who break them in that way. Heck, even Sheldon said that was a way to do it. Lon Haldeman used to soak his in motor oil, for crying out loud!

                Racing pros use the lightest stuff out there, and even a Ti railed Brooks Swift is a brick compared to the CF shell, gel padded synthetics. Plus, they're not putting 40 hours of saddle time in at a single ride (usually). There are the UMCA racers doing 500 miles in a race, but even then many of them are riding lightweight CF bikes with Ti railed Brooks saddles.

                I've ridden a few 'bents, and if I were to add one to my stable, it would be a highracer style. Those things can really haul ass!
                • Re: The Real Truth about "Recumbent Bicycles"

                  Mon, May 25, 2009 - 10:07 PM
                  Yeah I knew a few guys who used motor oil on their Brooks beauties.
                  Back in the late 60's early 70's Neets Foot Oil was actually "reccomended by Brooks" and that and motor oil was all we had.
                  Silicone based dry lubricants like White Lightning Race Day hadn't been invented yet,Hell! bike shops back then were using WD 40 as a chain lube! shows you how FAR we have come Huh?
                  Racing is very different than hours put in a saddle. During a heated race most of us were in the tuck position haulin on our cranks and actually out of our saddles! Racers put more weight on the cranks and less "sitting" in their saddles than recreational riders so a rock hard saddle isnt as important to racer's as they are to guys who do Criteriums and Centuries.
                  Unfortunatly it's true though,saddle discomfort is the #1 reason that 54% of adults don't ride bicycles followed by neck shoulder and arm discomfort. They just don't really make a "truly comfortable" upright bicycle and that's why they dont appeal to adults over 25. As we age it does get more difficult to get comfortable on a road bike and as you found when you rode Recumbents,they are exceedingly comfortable bikes mostly due to the horizontal riding position and the designs of their "Seats". Even the High Racer's with their padded ergonomic CF Seats are still body-contoured and comfortable.
                  My next Bent? A Catrike Recumbent Road Tadpole Trike!(2,600:00) Aircraft Aluminum Frame,underseat dual front wheel steering,Avid disc brakes, 27 speed SRAM X-9 Drivetrain with a Mueller Full Fairing up in front! It's a 26 pound FAST,Efficient comfortable mode of transportation!
            • Re: The Real Truth about "Recumbent Bicycles"

              Tue, May 26, 2009 - 10:03 PM
              >It sounds like you have never ridden a Recumbent TMbo

              I've ridden them. Just not a fan. But let me ask you this, Jake. How do you jump a curb on a recumbent?
              • Re: The Real Truth about "Recumbent Bicycles"

                Wed, May 27, 2009 - 7:52 PM
                the same way you do on a mountain bike, I approach the curb and jump the front wheel up onto it by slightly lifting the front of the bike(or down off it,either way) It's actually easier with a long wheelbase Bent becase all the weight is in the back of the bike.
                perhaps the Bents you rode were "Tanks"? but mine is light enough to jump everyday objects just "like any bicycle" and some objects you "jump" with an ultralight road bike can warp your wheels,unlike on long wheelbase Bents.
                • Re: The Real Truth about "Recumbent Bicycles"

                  Wed, May 27, 2009 - 9:49 PM
                  Not to be picky, but I've yet to see anyone hop a 'bent. Sure, you can lift the front wheel and then ease the rear wheel up a curb, but because you can't unweight the rear of the bike due to rider position, you're not going to hop a pothole or other obstacle the same way you can on a diamond frame.
                  As for warping wheels, you on a LWB 'bent and me on a diamond frame approach a square cornered 6" high parking block at 25mph. Which one of us will clear the obstacle without losing speed and without pacmanning a rim?
                • Re: The Real Truth about "Recumbent Bicycles"

                  Thu, May 28, 2009 - 1:36 AM
                  I eagerly await your extreme recumbent stumpjumping youtube video, Jake.
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                    Re: The Real Truth about "Recumbent Bicycles"

                    Thu, May 28, 2009 - 9:01 PM

                    Timbo
                    You asked me if I could "Jump a curb" not a tree stump,and No,of course recumbents can't jump over tree stumps(stump jumping) but then neither can a lightweight road bike(without warping a front wheel at least).each bike is built for a different purpose. On my custom-built 99 Iron Horse DS-2 Dual Suspension Mt Bike I could jump 2 foot high "stumps" and go off four foot drops without a single spoke becoming even loose.
                    and,No Geo,I have not "slammed the lycra'd up crowd" but it would be nice if not as many had their heads up their asses concerning their ultra-wonda bikes,they are a fairly RUDE bunch,that remind me of my old Racing crowd back in the mid 1970's.
                    Remember Boys,it's not what your wearing or what you ride,it's how you ride it.
  • Re: The Real Truth about "Recumbent Bicycles"

    Wed, May 27, 2009 - 8:09 PM
    Boy. you're really trying to pick a fight here, aren't you? I don't think I've read too many posts on this forum slamming recumbents, yet you seem to be having a lovely time slamming "Lycra'd up Roadies" in "defense" of some imagined slight of your recumbent bike.

    Ride what you like and be happy. I'm sure your bike can do things mine can't, which is why you like it.

    As for me, I'm perfectly happy on my road bike. My carpal tunnel and peri-anal are just fine, thank you.

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