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I guess I'm missing all intense discussion we had on the helmet issue, so I'm posting a new thread on the pro's and con's of wearing headphones/listening to music while bike riding (as it pertains to safety, etc). What are YOUR feelings on this subject?
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Thu, August 4, 2005 - 1:36 PMNot around cars. Only on a nice bikepath. -
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Thu, August 4, 2005 - 2:05 PMditto, if you're out in the wilderness, it's okay. the same idea applies to running with headphones. you really shouldn't be doing it around cars. though, just for yuks, you could strap a big boom box to your bike ;-0 -
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Thu, August 4, 2005 - 2:14 PM"though, just for yuks, you could strap a big boom box to your bike"
more than just yuks, that's a great new safety device. like a motorcycle with glasspack mufflers, they'd hear ya coming and be looking out.
good call, christophe.
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Thu, August 4, 2005 - 7:43 PMbut in the wilderness, you can also get run over by a moose...
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Fri, August 5, 2005 - 3:28 AMNot to mention those pesky squirrels. They'll set you up every time like in the Geico commercial! It is illegal to operate a vehicle w/ headphones on. They instated that law in CA a long time ago, after the Walkman boom in the early 80's, but people drive and talk on their cells, which is technically putting a speaker to your ear. Here in GA, it isn't illegal to drive while talking on a cell, yet... They are probably going to change that though. They do make little mountable transistor radios for bikes. I use one when I tour. It's nice to find a local news station for a quick weather report sometimes. -
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Sun, October 30, 2005 - 7:16 PMactually, it's fine as long as one ear isn't covered...so cell phones are a-ok! woohoo! ....but not really.
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Thu, August 4, 2005 - 2:10 PMfor myself, i'd say never. i love listening to music, but need ALL of my attention for riding, not getting hit (or hitting peds on the bike path for that matter, why don't they stick to the ped path?).
this morning, i almost got hit by a car trying to park (they jumped into the bike lane without signal) and almost hit a kid who jumped in front of me on the path (his chaperone wasn't watching). in both cases there was much apologizing, but had i been listening to music, the kid would have survived only because the parking car would have killed me first.
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Thu, August 4, 2005 - 2:55 PMI don't. I think a little bit of quiet time can be very healing. You don't need a soundtrack to your life every minute of the day. I also think the steady rhythm of the bike and pedalling can be very meditative. Riding helps me clear my head. -
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Thu, August 4, 2005 - 2:56 PMDombest thing I ever heard... -
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Thu, August 4, 2005 - 2:57 PMWhatever.
BTW -- it's spelled "dumbest" -
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Thu, August 4, 2005 - 3:09 PMor bombest... lol
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Thu, August 4, 2005 - 3:20 PMThanx mommy! I was answering the question, not your commentary. Back in the early 80's a friend of mine would commute from the Mission down to the Embarcadero to work. He got a new walkman and would ride to and from work. I warned him, being a messenger at the time, that he might not want to do that, because you need all your senses when riding... Needless to say, two weeks later he was dead from a Muni bus running him over. He was wearing his headphones and never heard a thing... Pretty fuckin' DUMB if you ask me! Ever heard of a typo, Geo? -
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Thu, August 4, 2005 - 3:23 PMThought you were attacking my comment, so I fired back.
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Thu, August 4, 2005 - 3:29 PMdon't we all love tribe's threading?
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Thu, August 4, 2005 - 7:30 PMespecially up steep hills
...each turn of the wheel entitles you to yet another turn of the wheel...
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Fri, August 19, 2005 - 5:56 PMI agree. There is nothing better than my cycle from home to work here in london; ladbrooke grove to camden along the grand union canal. virtually car free and all them lovely baby ducks to look and listen to! Our brain is filled fulla shit too much, cycling gives ya a chance to escape. -
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Fri, August 19, 2005 - 8:05 PMTurn off your mind, relax, and float down stream...
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Fri, August 19, 2005 - 8:07 PMAmen! Be fully in the moment.
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Thu, August 4, 2005 - 3:50 PMI used to ride with headphones all the time, but I figured that my luck would run out eventually, considering all the riding I do. Still, it seemed the wisest thing to do even though I miss it a lot. Besides, cars are becoming more aggressive in Portland, imo. -
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Thu, August 4, 2005 - 3:54 PMSomehow forgot to mention that I DON'T bike with headphones anymore. -
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Thu, August 4, 2005 - 5:05 PMI M H O no the best of ideas! -
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Thu, August 4, 2005 - 6:01 PMI rode alone a good deal of the time last summer and found the music to be very motivating (on paths that I knew well). This summer is different, I'm in a good relationship and I prefer the sound of nature when I ride. So I guess I know how to enjoy both. Although, when I'm riding in the city instead of the woods and/or bike paths, then I definately need all my senses. Cars can be deadly.
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Thu, August 4, 2005 - 7:35 PMI never wear anything over my ears while I ride. Not only is it unsafe, but it's illegal if I remember correctly. There is a law prohibiting the wearing of headphones while driving a motor vehicle. Also, while bicycles do have the same right of way as pedestrians, they must also follow all the same laws as motor vehicles. Thus, I believe the prohibition about wearing headphones while driving a motor vehicle applies to bicycles as well. -
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Fri, August 5, 2005 - 9:41 AMThere's way too many other interesting sounds going on. And, actually the radio in my car died & I've slowly gotten used to the "silence" of that (but no long road-trips yet either).
I always think of great ideas when I'm riding (not saying I retain them) ... I doubt I would if I were listening to music ... -
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Sat, August 6, 2005 - 2:16 PMCool....I'm the radical, instead of the uptight Mom of the World who's always barking "where's yer helmet" at strangers...;o)
Yes...I will listen to music when I ride at this little park near my house. I think its to drown out the sound of the freeway it's next door to...
Usually I ride early AM when nobodies around.
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Sat, August 6, 2005 - 2:17 PMTee hee..
I also like the sound the wheels make. It's like Oooommm...
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Mon, August 29, 2005 - 10:12 AMWearing headphones is moronic and right up there with not wearing a helmet. ;-) Sorry, couldn't resist (see prior thread for more - lot's more - on that one!). And I believe I remember seeing it stated in the codebook that you're supposed to study for your driver's test that it is against the law. However, the law is selectively enforced.
I had just snapped into my pedals on my way to work one day a couple of years back when up ahead of me was a dizzy chick rockin' out on a mountain bike, doing her head bounce and gettin' her groove on. Which was fine, except, she wasn't really paying attention to traffic or where she was going, and she was zig-zagging. I yelled out a couple of times to let her know I wanted to pass, but she couldn't hear because she was plugged in and tuned out. So I made a quick burst and got it over with before she could zig her zag into my right flank. 3 seconds later, I've got the blue & red flashing me down. "What's the problem, officer?"
"You just scared that girl back there. She nearly fell over because of the way you just passed her."
"You have GOT to be kidding me..." We had an *interesting* - but civilized - conversation regarding stupid behavior, heavily punctuated with snide remarks and sarcastic comebacks, and he finally let me go. It's wrong, it's a pain in the ass, but still we have to make room for everyone in the bike lane, even the dumb-asses...*sigh* -
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Mon, August 29, 2005 - 11:44 AMRock On Steve! Couldn't have said it better... -
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Mon, August 29, 2005 - 1:50 PMOh you helmet, non-headphone wearing Nazi's!! Do you really think calling someone "moronic" is really going to inspire bikers to see your point of view? Not a chance in hell. -
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Mon, August 29, 2005 - 3:32 PMhe he he, but they are...
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Mon, August 29, 2005 - 3:44 PMlol :-P Anyone who gets me in trouble is a moron. Anyone who gets me in trouble and pulled over without just cause is not just a moron but a dumb-ass! -
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Tue, August 30, 2005 - 11:06 AM"Anyone who gets me in trouble and pulled over without just cause is not just a moron but a dumb-ass!"
oh my god. that was it. you found it. steve, you are my angel. i believe you may have just saved my life. that was the line that convinced me to wear a helmet every time i get on a bicycle. no more riding a half a block on my bmx to my friend's house with a beer in one hand without a helmet on. now i'll have a helmet. no more riding a block and a half to the store without a helmet. no more testing out the bike i'm working on in my driveway without a helmet. in fact, from now on, it's going to be a helmet for me even when i'm just working on bikes.
WOOHOO!!! LET'S PASS A LAW!!! -
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Tue, August 30, 2005 - 2:10 PMAnd the law will state that if you drink & ride, you must wear a hands-free beverage provider: www.drinkstuff.com/products/product.asp -
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Tue, August 30, 2005 - 2:14 PMNow that's cool, because I can wear one of those hard hat beer can holders and eliminate the helmet issue, and when I've got my Nascar headphones on, I'm all set...or can I use a Camelback as my boda bag?
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Thu, September 1, 2005 - 1:32 AMWe are prohibited from wearing anything in/on your head that dramatically reduces our ability to hear the signal of another vehicle by Cali law.
I am distracted by the overstimulating sounds of traffic, horns, sirens, CAR stereos, etc. I cannot reliably identify the source of most sounds when I'm in motion because of the air roaring past my ears.
You would have to be very quick to pass me by surprise though. I don't wear a helmet because I depend on my peripheral vision and glancing over my should frequently to stay abreast of traffic.
I always listen to my music or other audio using buds that pull out if I yank my jaw just so.
Listening to something I've chosen is preferable to listening to the oppressive noise. -
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Fri, September 2, 2005 - 3:19 AMAccidents waiting to happen... I guarantee it!
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Tue, August 30, 2005 - 11:08 AMhelmet law is for people under sixteen in california. -
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Tue, August 30, 2005 - 11:30 AMoh, sorry, headphones are illegal on bikes in some states, not sure about california, but probably. the girl was an idiot and the cop was a dick. that's what we get for trying to be healthy and good to the environment, etc. etc. -
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Sat, September 10, 2005 - 3:21 PMJust in case people were wondering...
www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop...vc27400.htm
Note that it states "both ears," arguably this would mean that iPod earbuds are verboten, but a single speaker cell phone headset is ok.
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Thu, August 11, 2005 - 7:56 PMI don't wear any headphones while I'm riding. It's dangerous and it screws with my cadence. Besides, I kinda like the sound of the wind. I have taped an A.M. transistor radio to my handlebars though, so I could get traffic reports when I did a lot of city riding. I used to count the number of people that had the, "f-ing traffic" look on their face as I just cruised on by. I can't count the number of times I avoided an accident because I heard a car before I saw it. -
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Tue, August 16, 2005 - 11:09 AMI saw a guy with a portable tv on his bike. I really like the idea, especially if it is hooked up the Tivo. If people can watch DVD's in their car, why can't I watch the Powerpuff Girls while biking? -
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Tue, August 16, 2005 - 11:37 AM"If people can watch DVD's in their car, why can't I watch the Powerpuff Girls while biking?"
people will say, "that's dangerous, you could hurt yourself." but, it's fine if you're in a car and you could only hurt others. kinda makes ya think.
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Mon, August 15, 2005 - 3:57 PMbad idea...
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Tue, August 16, 2005 - 12:46 PMI got into an accident wearing headphones one time, so I haven't worn them since.
I was lucky, good thing there was no traffic around... and it's reallly hard to re-cant this story but after years of therapy I think I'm okay to speak with others about it....
it happened while I was in my garage on my "full balance" rollers, a nifty tune came on and I started boogying on the bike which caused it to drop off the rollers at full-tilt. Okay, so I only fell sideways with a minor "klunk" - but imagine if I was wearing my nice shiny new Carnac shoes, they would've been scuffed!
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Fri, August 19, 2005 - 10:46 AMi get into the rhythm created by the sounds of the woods and the sounds of the city, the music in my head, and especially the percussion of the bike ~ the set starts with the first peddle and coast and does not stop
the underlying feeling is not safety (though: observe), but full engagement with wherever i happen to be
hey, anyone remember Kraftwerk ~ Tour de France ?
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Sun, August 21, 2005 - 1:34 AMI remember kraftwerk's tour de france. The remake/remix or whatever it is out on the astralwerks label doesn't even come close to comparing to the 12" single from the mid 80's.
If I could only find that on wax here in vegas. *sigh* -
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Tue, August 23, 2005 - 8:46 AMIt's so nice to listen to tunes while riding...I always do it, and it never really occurred to me that it wasn't a great idea...until I got in an accident because of it. I wasn't watching where I was going and I had my headphones turned up loud and a car backing out in front of me just stopped in time to nudge me rather than squash me. Yikes...still, I admit, I still ride with headphones on, only turned down and sometimes half-off.
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Tue, August 30, 2005 - 11:09 AM>>>If I could only find that on wax here in vegas. *sigh*<<<
Hey! I found the kraftwerk Tour de France 12" at used record store in Pasadena a couple of weeks ago! Got it for 4 bucks... cherry condition....
Did you see their last tour? They had more cycling footage than the Outdoor Network...
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Tue, August 30, 2005 - 6:44 PMOk i'm officially jealous.
and I missed the last tour. oh, and,
damn thats a lot of footage!!
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Sat, September 17, 2005 - 2:04 PMI love to listen to music while riding- and during the long stretches (or hard hills) it gives me the extra push to get me going.
The way I deal with the noise issue is that I'm only have one ear in. (Take any headphones with individual ears, and cut one off.) I also have an IPOD which is easily turned off when more attention is warrented.
It's a bit easier for me though, because I live in suburbia- within a couple blocks of a fabulous trail system that isn't used as much as it should be... so it's usually nice and empty- especially in the early hours when I ride.
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Tue, September 20, 2005 - 10:31 AMwhoa, looks like everyone in here needs to take a peep at the soul-cycle:
<a href="www.fossilfool.com/soul-cyc...ycle.htm" target="_blank">www.fossilfool.com/soul-cyc...tm</a>
why keep the tunes to yourself?
also, you could get some minispeakers and one of those solio solar ipod chargers and be rocking cross country.
boooommm, boooommmm, boooommmm.....
straigh outta the lowrider bike on the corner.
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Wed, September 21, 2005 - 7:24 PMi dunno, seems a bit bulky, and like a major incentive to steal YOUR bike in particular from all the others out there. -
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Sun, September 25, 2005 - 11:39 PMI really dont think when I'm doing a 100mile jaunt on my roadbike that it's such a bad thing to have some tunes to listen to. But then I never listen to my music louder than I can still have a conversation to... and I usually pull one of the earbuds out when I'm riding. Its kind of the same thing when someone is listening to music really loud in their car I would think. Moderation is the key. -
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Thu, September 29, 2005 - 8:15 AMWhat?! WHAAAAT?! You'll have to speak up....I can't hear you through my blaring headphones!!! ;)
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Fri, September 30, 2005 - 6:38 PM
An acquaintace of mine was riding a bike on a Monday, listening to her Ipod. A witness said she was seen fiddling with the Ipod when she hit a curb and crashed. She was wearing a helmet, but she died the following Saturday from the head injury. -
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Fri, September 30, 2005 - 6:43 PMI liken it to Russian roulette!
I don't to it.
I don't suggest you do either.
I know you will do what you want!
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Fri, September 30, 2005 - 7:06 PMI think Dan's post says it all...shame. -
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Sat, October 1, 2005 - 1:48 AMseriously sad.
but why didnt she stop before she fiddled? The brain is better used for thinking than as a bumper.
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Mon, October 31, 2005 - 3:59 AMsound-track ;-} -
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Tue, November 1, 2005 - 4:11 AMSaw a guy on a century ride wearing an I-pod. Man, leave the techno at home and just ride! I love hearing a car coming from behind without having to look back, or use a mirror. I enjoy birds chirping as I ride along... I like to chat with other cyclists along my rides too. With earphones on, I feel cut off, and isolated. -
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Tue, November 1, 2005 - 5:17 PM
I like to ride on this one particular park trail where joggers and power walkers often do their thing. My bike is oiled to a silent perfection so they can't hear me coming up behind them at 20 mph. I like to yell "HI HOW ARE YA!!!" as I pass and watch them jump out of their skin. It's the little things that make cycling so enjoyable.
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