So You Think You Can Drum?

topic posted Wed, April 30, 2008 - 10:07 AM by  Peter
In response to recent events but inspired by years of playing with others........

So you think you can drum? Exactly why is that? Just because you can hit the head and make a sound, does that make you a drummer? That is a pretty drum though. I see you spent a lot of time putting bells and feathers on it. Oh, it has a name. Isn't that sweet. Now tell me, why would you go to all the effort of making your drum look so pretty and dressing it up like a doll and then not be able to play it worth a shit? I'll never say that to you, but I'm certainly thinking it. Do you know that the different rhythms you hear on belly dancing CD's actually have different names and that "heartbeat" or "healing crystal" is not one of them? Have you ever heard of practicing or actually taking a lesson? No, I didn't think so. Now, why is that? You know, I can play several chords on a guitar, but I would never attempt to jam with other guitarist, because I CAN NOT PLAY THE GUITAR. So why do you think you can drum? Do you know what "time" is. Do you know these rhythms that we play, or at least attempt to play amidst you tappers and thumpers have a time signature? Most are in 2/4 4/4 or 8/4 because they're easy to play and dance to. But occasionally we'll play a 9/8 or a 5/4 or even a 6/8. But you don't have a clue about that do you? I won't even ask you if you can count. No, not count as in counting items, but count time. That saddest part about all this is that you apparently don't care that you can't play; you don't care that your drum is out of tune and sounds like wet cardboard. So, when I move away from you or pack up my doumbek and leave please do take it personally, it means you can't play, you suck and you have absolutely no business slapping your arhythmic palms on that head. But I'm still baffled, why do you think you're a drummer?
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Peter
Florida
  • Re: So You Think You Can Drum?

    Wed, April 30, 2008 - 10:16 AM
    heh...I'd like to get a drum and learn to play it, but I know that all of the above apply to me, so I wouldn't dare try to jam with anyone...lol.
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      Wed, April 30, 2008 - 11:20 AM
      Hey Diana, anyone who is open to learning and practices enough so they can at least hold time and can play the skeleton rhythm of Masmoudi Kabir, Masmoudi Sahgir, Malfouf, Ayoob and Saiidi will be more than welcome by any drummer. This way you can hold the bottom and we can solo over the top. Do you know how happy that make the "real" drummers? We spend so much of our time just holding the rhythm together while the goofballs screw everything up!
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        Wed, April 30, 2008 - 12:59 PM
        My favorite thing is to hold the bottom beat!
        I'll sit there for *hours* and just stay basic while y'alls go do somersaults over the top...keeping my eyes tight on the lead drummer and watching for changes to stay with the group.
        ...although I've taken lessons, I can't remember 'em for shite when I'm on my own, so the first 5 minutes in a circle are spent tapping my thighs with my drum at my feet until I can clue into the beat again.

        Yeah, total and professionally noob.
        But tryin' to be polite about it.
        And delighted to hold that bottom.
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    Wed, April 30, 2008 - 11:13 AM
    My husband would LOVE this post. He's been drumming for about twenty years and I've heard this rant out of him before. Way to go!
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      Wed, April 30, 2008 - 11:44 AM
      Peter, I hear ya. There is an enormous difference between being a drummer and being someone who owns a drum.
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        Wed, April 30, 2008 - 12:02 PM
        Everything you think and don't say is certainly conveyed to the goofballs by the dancers!
        I don't know how many times I've been happily, so into it, dancing and then feel a beat that's...off..wrong..out of tune or time... They get the "evil wishes look". I've seen them visibly flinch so I know they're getting the message.
        I'm a quiet, follow drummer. I've also noticed smiles from other drummers as I keep on and they get to flourish. I don't try it.
        My best practice is the ipod, earphones, sitting on the back steps. I get to try it all out then.
        Dancing or Drumming in a drum circle is amazing! It creates the Earthiest energy. It's no wonder drum owners want in.
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          Wed, April 30, 2008 - 12:24 PM
          I took drum for 6 months
          I cant play
          I never assume i can play
          I can dance
          and I can tell the difference
          and I KNOW I would be that bad off beat drummer
          I would be the one the dancers give the stink eye
          the on the actual drummers glare at
          so
          no I dont think I can drum
          and I know the difference
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            Wed, April 30, 2008 - 12:57 PM
            At least I know where I fit in with other drummers. When I got invited by a friend to sit in with the other drummers for a bellydance troupe at a renaissance faire, I told my friend and the other drummers exactly what my skills were. I also promised that if I got even a fraction of a second of stinkeye from a dancer, I would then just sit quietly, acting like my particular drum wasn't a part of that set. It was fun, though, and we all had a good time. All I did was hold down the bass, as you say, and the other guys helped me learn more of the basics in between sets. It was a good weekend for me.
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    Wed, April 30, 2008 - 12:49 PM
    Ooooh this is par for course in just about any percussion group. I have a weekly drum and dance event that I go to and I think I've seen just about every type of drummer there is. In my neck of the woods we have this phenominon that I have dubbed "Mr. Solo Terrorist Drummer." He's the guy who always shows up with the biggest Djembe that he can stuff into his car. He shows up late and feels free to jump right in without warming up on the side lines or getting a feel for what's already going on. He ALWAYS decides that the rhythm needs changing the moment he starts playing and bangs the snot out of the center of his poor drum head in a 2/4 until he's thrown off everybody and they're all forced to follow him. Sadly this isn't just one guy; this is about 20 guys who all show up late, one right after the other and do their damded best to screw things up for a good 30 minutes.

    This is why the good dancers either get there really early, bring their favorite drummers with them and dance before the squad of Solo Terrorist Drummers get there... or they wait until later in the evening after the last of them has shown up and things are balancing out.

    I went to an event last year which was probably the worst I have ever been to. It was so bad that I was actually laughing openly about it. Every single drummer, except for one, was completely drunk. They were so drunk that they couldn't even stand up without stumbling around and in this state they were ALL drumming. I laughed because it was an epic train wreck and because the desperate looks on the one sober guy's face were just so priceless.

    I will keep a beat on just about anything from body parts to spaghetti pots so I'm not all that picky about what I drum on. My father was a handbone champ and I like to think that I have some decent palmas skills. I can do background type percussion on a doumbek for ME rhythms but I'm not comfortable about soloing. However I will almost always take the lead for trance music because the last thing you want is a performance drummer taking the lead for that and pooping out after a couple hours. I giggle at the pretty drum people who's skills are below mine when it comes to performance music. I'm not a great performance musician but I do alright and I think I might actually own the fugliest drum on the planet. It's not Dumbo's Magic Feather... a pretty drum will not make you play better if your basic skills are lacking.

    ~*Shpooner*~
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      Wed, April 30, 2008 - 1:39 PM
      Is this kind of like how a prettier dress won't make you dance better? or a .....

      Well, I have to tell you, this whole thread has me laughing my @$$ off. Down on the floor giggling because we have ALL had to suffer through this at one time or another.

      They tried to drum at church for the new year to celebrate the new year - that was horrifying. Just horrifying.
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      Wed, April 30, 2008 - 2:53 PM
      Hey Poisoned S. I wasn't at the pool party at spirit, so I can't comment upon the drumming there, but at Off the Hooka there were only about 4 people who could actually drum and we just amped the volume so we would drown out those who were getting "creative" in their rhythmic journey! Also your "Solo Terrorist Drummer" is what we call djembe cowboys. All they play are triplet rolls all night. Freestyle djembe rules!!! Arrrrgghhh!
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    Wed, April 30, 2008 - 1:40 PM
    I love to drum, but I don't call myself a drummer. I like just playing the basic rhythm, and love it when I can get in a circle with a solid drum leader. Unfortunately, it doesn't happen often. Too many people just plain can't count. Sometimes I think people should be tested for a sense of rhythm before they're allowed to buy a drum..no rhythm, no drum.
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    Wed, April 30, 2008 - 2:29 PM
    I feel the need to mention that the ME drum circle in San Diego amongst the Scadians was probably the best regular group of musicians I have ever had the pleasure of associating with. If there are any SD drummers on this list... just pat yourselves on the back right now because nearly 10 years later I still love you guys.

    ~*Spoonie*~
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      Wed, April 30, 2008 - 2:52 PM
      I go in and out. I can do most of the basics but my ka gets weak.

      I prefer the tar. And then when I'm bored with that I will break out the zills and go nuts - with rhythm, against the rhythm (but still in a rhythm)...I am one of those types of zillers.

      Sorry.

      If you tell me I'm too distracting though then I might listen...
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        Wed, April 30, 2008 - 3:08 PM
        Tar is great. I love that unearthly bass note. When you play the tar you RULE the bottom and control the entire rhythm. Good tar players are gods!

        How to build a strong Ka finger: Strike ka over and over while watching TV. Stuff a towel in your doumbek so you don't drive your partner insane. Strike ka several thousand times per day for a month and you'll be able to crack walnuts with it! ;-)

        And if your zills are played in time.....all the merrier... Zills add a beautiful high pitched wash across the rhythm.
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          Wed, April 30, 2008 - 5:47 PM
          I've been playing for about 15 years. It doesn't help that the first set of years I was "taught" by a know-it-all from the SCA that taught me everything wrong. Now I am unlearning and re-learning for the past 5 years. I am still screwed up.

          I still can't play all the rhythms. If someone says play a Masmoudi - I cannot start the damn thing to save my life. And forget doing a solo. If you make me solo, there will be a train wreck and then I'm just mad. I guess it's better than bursting into tears. I guess if I did that, maybe people would stop asking me to solo. (note to self)

          If I am playing with a couple of good drummers, I can actually hold the beat, add some fills, and make it sound pretty good. Play with shitty drummers and I might as well play with my face.
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            Wed, April 30, 2008 - 5:54 PM
            As someone who owns a tabla, I have aspirations to learn to play.

            I know like pretty much one rhythm - I practice it regularly though...I'd never pretend to know how to drum or zill well....

            I am a not so hot ziller- I need much more practice than I practice now.

            But once I've moved I plan on sourcing a good teacher and doing both till my hands fall off. :D
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              Wed, April 30, 2008 - 6:07 PM
              there are very few things as painful as poor drumming and zilling...when done well, fabulous...when not done well...*cringe*
              i can follow a strong drummer, just like i can follow a strong lead in ballroom dancing. but i am not a ballroom dancer and i am not a drummer. people need to recognize where they fit in the skills hierarchy...
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                Wed, April 30, 2008 - 6:25 PM
                This is one of the best rants I've read in a while. Well, except for Nisha's!!! :o) I've been laughing the whole way through.

                But yeah, we've all had to endure less than fab drummers with marginal skills. That makes it so wonderful to have the opportunity to dance with a MASTER drummer!
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    Thu, May 1, 2008 - 4:23 AM
    I've been drumming for a while ... and do take classes ... and can't always remember the names of the rhythms, but I do play them reasonably well. We have a guy who has a degree in percussion who seems to think he has to get into serious poundage every time he touches the damned thing. Here we are learning a new rhythm and I'm trying to hear it clearly from the guy who is teaching it and our favorite old guy starts pounding it ... just a tiny bit off right into my ear. Annoys the hell out of me, especially when we are starting out learning the base rhythm and he is automatically going to the most complicated one on the page and pounding it in such a way that I have lost the basic one. It's difficult for me to learn with him around. He is good, but too damned loud.

    And the guy who thinks he's great, but treats drumming like a race to the finish line. He goes too fast and throws off what the rest of us are trying to accomplish. And thinks he can be gone for months and join up with us for a performance we have been prepping for for the past 2 months with two weeks of practice. And does flourishes that DO NOT go with the music we are playing and set me on my ear. Thank Gods we have rules!

    Then there are the drummers who have been "drumming" for years and only know beledi ... and only want to play that ... and can't figure out the other rhythms we are playing ... and get pissed that we want to get away from their most sacred of rhythms. They can't improv at all ... and are shocked that I have only been taking my drumming seriuously for about a year and a half.

    And it shocks and upsets some drummers ... but I do dance on top of one of my drums. (I only have 2, but I ain't dancing on the MOP inlaid one because I think I will destroy it) Yep. I have some kick ass balance that I worked on for years with balancing on all sorts of things as a child, then doing martial arts for years. I dance on my drum ... some of the FDHBers have seen me. I purposely have learned how to pretend I am losing my balance in a simple move just to rebalance for something more complicated. It's fun ... and most people are scared to try it, so I LOVE IT!!!!!!
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      Thu, May 1, 2008 - 5:50 AM
      Yeah, then there are guys like Dave Hall. I sat next to him while he played a 6/8 on the frame drum, a 4/4 with the bells on his leg in perfect harmony with the rhythm he was playing, and explaining the whole thing to me.

      My brain snapped in half just observing.
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      Thu, May 1, 2008 - 6:42 AM
      "And the guy who thinks he's great, but treats drumming like a race to the finish line. He goes too fast and throws off what the rest of us are trying to accomplish. And thinks he can be gone for months and join up with us for a performance we have been prepping for for the past 2 months with two weeks of practice. And does flourishes that DO NOT go with the music we are playing and set me on my ear. Thank Gods we have rules! "

      Yeah, someday you'll find that guy with a saxophone wrapped around his neck and y'all will have to get me out of jail.
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        Thu, May 1, 2008 - 9:50 PM
        Safiye, you and I will both be in trouble, because my drum will be bashed over his head! I am so glad you recognize who I am talking about. I hope I don't sound too proud of myself, but I do try to drum as well as possible and when I can't handle fill ins or I am zoned out tired I just go for that basic rhythm and play it simple until my brain gets back in gear. Plus I love letting the really good guys play some cool shit when mine is just medium cool.
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          Sat, May 3, 2008 - 6:17 AM
          Miki and Safiye - I'll bring you cigarettes and chocolate while you're in jail so you won't have to be anyone's bitch. I might even bring enough so you can trade for the top bunk. :)

          And I KNOW I can't drum, so I don't. Ditto with the hubby - his musical ability stops at hitting "play". My zils are woefully "out of tune" (lol) too so I dare not take them out in public.
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        Sat, May 3, 2008 - 7:48 AM
        You ladies have let me down! Can I be the only one that read the quotes about the gut that thinks drumming is a race, and flourishes make him good, and immediately thought, "I know exactly what he's like in bed-and it ain't good!"
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      Sat, May 3, 2008 - 7:42 AM
      Yeah Miki!

      Everyone should dance on a drum at least once in their life. ;-P

      Although... Our lead dancer/artistic director does it - but I'm thinking of good blackmail pictures if I tried the same stunts she does.

      You'd be picking me up off the floor and immediately handing me a drink to make the pain and humiliation go away.
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    Thu, May 1, 2008 - 10:03 PM
    This is an aweseomely timed rant!! I'm no star on the drum but I can keep the baseline going with the basics and am still amazed when other drummers 'fall off the bus'. Maybe they are smokin' too much of the good stuff beforehand but how freakin hard is it to mess up an Ayub (my 5 year old can play that), or Malfouf? One gal picked up my drum the other weekend and I taught her the bare bones beledi and she did better than the self proclaimed drumming gods that showed up around our campfire.
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      Thu, May 1, 2008 - 10:14 PM
      No, you guys have GOT to check this out. www.youtube.com/watch
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        Fri, May 2, 2008 - 1:42 AM
        Hey, he makes all the same goofy drumming faces that my Laura makes!

        ; D

        I love studying Middle Eastern rhythms with Frank Lazzaro, Dave Hall, Jeremiah Soto, and my beautiful wife.

        It only makes sense for dancers to know which rhythms they prefer, so they can ask for exactly what will fit the mood of their performance. You don't even have to be able to remember the names if that is too much information to retain. A drummer will know what you mean if you tell her you really want that D D tktkT D tktkT tktkT. She might even tell you that it is a Turkish Masmoudi.

        In the same light, I think it only makes sense for drummers who want to be great to study dance as much as possible, so that they don't whip out a ridiculous change just at the start of a slow gooey combination that they should recognize. Tobias Roberson nails it on the fucking head on his stellar zills DVD when he says that drummers and dancers need to connect with each other more so they don't appear to just be on the same stage at the same time by accident.

        Even though I am an amateur drummer, I find that one of the advantages I have as a dancer that isn't always present in more experienced drummers is that I pay such close attention to the body language of the dancers. I can tell when they are happy in their groove, when they are just getting going, I know the standard combos and choreographies, and I can see when they are desperate to get the hell off the stage.

        Cocky drummers who ignore the dancers suck just as much as the guys who can't hold a steady rhythm. Seriously boring!

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