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An inherent challenge in Fine Art Nude Photography is finding men or women willing to pose "sans-clothing" for your art. So, where do you find these people anyway?
This is an often asked question which I'll offer my two cents on and hopefully others will want to contribute too.
We might include some of the ethics and social issues associated with this subject too.
First off lets distinguish that we're talking about Fine Art Nude photography as differentiated from Glamour, Pinup, or Pornography where there is a stronger sexual implication/presentation. This will be important to whoever you talk to about modeling.
Important elements involved in this dynamic are:
Trust or Confidence
photographic Proficiency or Competence
Intent
Usage
First off, I'll discuss the HOW and then the WHERE to find people to pose for you.
How to find people to pose for you:
The women (or men) you talk with will want to be satisfied in each of the above mentioned "important elements" before they agree to pose for you.
TRUST - CONFIDENCE
My most important suggestion is to be HONEST about each of those elements with the person you're discussing the possibility of posing for you. Nothing will suck the energy out of your conversation quicker than if he/she senses you aren't being forthright and honest with them. Conversely, nothing bolsters your prospective model's confidence and ease with you more than feeling you are being honest with them -even if you lack experience or confidence.
Explain this is a new field that you would like to branch out into -with their help. Bring along some nude images from other photographers that you like. You can bring in a magazine like Not Only Black + White or Focus Magazine that feature fine art nudes. Indicate what it is you want to accomplish. Relate as best you can what your inspiration is (form, line, texture, grace, strength, musculature, etc.). Your enthusiasm and sincerity will be conveyed and go a long way to convincing your prospective model to pose for you (even if they aren't open to posing they might be so inspired that they refer you to someone they know who will pose for you! -has happened more than once). I've also shown some images of master painters that reflect the look and feel of what I'm going for. All of this adds up to giving the prospective model a good idea of what you wish to accomplish -which instills trust and confidence that you're NOT trying to get a Date or just seeking sexual "thrills" by getting them naked.
Photographic Proficiency or Competence
Next, show them some of your art (even if you haven't done nudes before). Show them portraits or other images that represent your best work. Show enough of your art -but not too much. Only show your best work. 10 or less is good. You don't have to go into any contest winnings or awards -what they're interested in is seeing your proficiency with your camera. Most people won't want to pose for someone who hasn't mastered their equipment yet, not wanting to be the subject of "bad" images.
Intent
Likely covered during your relating of your inspiration for shooting nudes. Be clear where you intend to "go" during the photo shoot, meaning: what look or feeling you're seeking from the image (and consequently from your model). Talk about lighting and how it will enhance the image. Talk about the setting (out in nature? or studio?) and how that adds to the look your intending to create. Is there a theme you're working off of? (mythical, social commentary, realism, archetypal, etc.)
Usage
Initially, (as Jay mentioned in another post) the model might require that the images not be publicly shown (you might be able to renegotiate this if there are one or two outstanding images that result -and you both agree to). Its OK if you are shooting "just for practice" or to get experience. At some point, you'll want to show what you've created. Wait until you have some really good images and only show these. The temptation is to show something of lesser quality because its a new thing for you. This will end up hurting your chances of getting more models since they will judge you by your art quality. In any case, be clear with the model about how you will use the images and then stick to that. Don't tell her you won't show them and then put them up on the internet!
If you want to show your images you should get a "model release" particularly if his/her face is recognizable in the image. Definitely get one if you want to sell any of the prints.
WHERE to find models?
Art schools and colleges are excellent places to start. They use "Life Drawing" models for sketching and painting classes. Usually, they are open to working with photographers -even just starting out in nude imagery.
Asking friends is good, if only because they know you and where you're coming from, and hopefully have some confidence in you as a photographer already.
Put up a post on Craig's list (www.craigslist.com) or on Tribe. Be clear about what you want and what you are trying to accomplish. Be up front about payment or trade -and then fulfill that commitment in a timely manner.
Lastly, approaching strangers does produce results -its just more difficult and you need a strong ego that accepts rejection. Be careful because in some communities this could be taken VERY much the WRONG WAY. If I do it, I usually just ask: "Have you ever been asked to do any ART MODELING?" and then explain "I'm a Find Art Photographer and I'm looking for someone to collaborate with me on my art project." Framed in this way the inevitable question "what kind of photography do you do?" or "what type of modeling are you wanting me to do?" is less of an obstacle when I reply "I photograph the nude in the environment." If that doesn't get a negative reaction I follow up with "I'd like to show you some of my images" and arrange to show my portfolio.
Well there's a primer -at least from my experience.
There's probably a lot more to add -so please do!
What's your experience? or What questions do you have?
Peace,
This is an often asked question which I'll offer my two cents on and hopefully others will want to contribute too.
We might include some of the ethics and social issues associated with this subject too.
First off lets distinguish that we're talking about Fine Art Nude photography as differentiated from Glamour, Pinup, or Pornography where there is a stronger sexual implication/presentation. This will be important to whoever you talk to about modeling.
Important elements involved in this dynamic are:
Trust or Confidence
photographic Proficiency or Competence
Intent
Usage
First off, I'll discuss the HOW and then the WHERE to find people to pose for you.
How to find people to pose for you:
The women (or men) you talk with will want to be satisfied in each of the above mentioned "important elements" before they agree to pose for you.
TRUST - CONFIDENCE
My most important suggestion is to be HONEST about each of those elements with the person you're discussing the possibility of posing for you. Nothing will suck the energy out of your conversation quicker than if he/she senses you aren't being forthright and honest with them. Conversely, nothing bolsters your prospective model's confidence and ease with you more than feeling you are being honest with them -even if you lack experience or confidence.
Explain this is a new field that you would like to branch out into -with their help. Bring along some nude images from other photographers that you like. You can bring in a magazine like Not Only Black + White or Focus Magazine that feature fine art nudes. Indicate what it is you want to accomplish. Relate as best you can what your inspiration is (form, line, texture, grace, strength, musculature, etc.). Your enthusiasm and sincerity will be conveyed and go a long way to convincing your prospective model to pose for you (even if they aren't open to posing they might be so inspired that they refer you to someone they know who will pose for you! -has happened more than once). I've also shown some images of master painters that reflect the look and feel of what I'm going for. All of this adds up to giving the prospective model a good idea of what you wish to accomplish -which instills trust and confidence that you're NOT trying to get a Date or just seeking sexual "thrills" by getting them naked.
Photographic Proficiency or Competence
Next, show them some of your art (even if you haven't done nudes before). Show them portraits or other images that represent your best work. Show enough of your art -but not too much. Only show your best work. 10 or less is good. You don't have to go into any contest winnings or awards -what they're interested in is seeing your proficiency with your camera. Most people won't want to pose for someone who hasn't mastered their equipment yet, not wanting to be the subject of "bad" images.
Intent
Likely covered during your relating of your inspiration for shooting nudes. Be clear where you intend to "go" during the photo shoot, meaning: what look or feeling you're seeking from the image (and consequently from your model). Talk about lighting and how it will enhance the image. Talk about the setting (out in nature? or studio?) and how that adds to the look your intending to create. Is there a theme you're working off of? (mythical, social commentary, realism, archetypal, etc.)
Usage
Initially, (as Jay mentioned in another post) the model might require that the images not be publicly shown (you might be able to renegotiate this if there are one or two outstanding images that result -and you both agree to). Its OK if you are shooting "just for practice" or to get experience. At some point, you'll want to show what you've created. Wait until you have some really good images and only show these. The temptation is to show something of lesser quality because its a new thing for you. This will end up hurting your chances of getting more models since they will judge you by your art quality. In any case, be clear with the model about how you will use the images and then stick to that. Don't tell her you won't show them and then put them up on the internet!
If you want to show your images you should get a "model release" particularly if his/her face is recognizable in the image. Definitely get one if you want to sell any of the prints.
WHERE to find models?
Art schools and colleges are excellent places to start. They use "Life Drawing" models for sketching and painting classes. Usually, they are open to working with photographers -even just starting out in nude imagery.
Asking friends is good, if only because they know you and where you're coming from, and hopefully have some confidence in you as a photographer already.
Put up a post on Craig's list (www.craigslist.com) or on Tribe. Be clear about what you want and what you are trying to accomplish. Be up front about payment or trade -and then fulfill that commitment in a timely manner.
Lastly, approaching strangers does produce results -its just more difficult and you need a strong ego that accepts rejection. Be careful because in some communities this could be taken VERY much the WRONG WAY. If I do it, I usually just ask: "Have you ever been asked to do any ART MODELING?" and then explain "I'm a Find Art Photographer and I'm looking for someone to collaborate with me on my art project." Framed in this way the inevitable question "what kind of photography do you do?" or "what type of modeling are you wanting me to do?" is less of an obstacle when I reply "I photograph the nude in the environment." If that doesn't get a negative reaction I follow up with "I'd like to show you some of my images" and arrange to show my portfolio.
Well there's a primer -at least from my experience.
There's probably a lot more to add -so please do!
What's your experience? or What questions do you have?
Peace,
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Re: Where do you find your models?
Thu, February 23, 2006 - 10:32 PMGreat post! Thanks...
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Re: Where do you find your models?
Tue, September 25, 2007 - 12:38 PMTry also Modelmayhem.com
Girls especially are often very upfront about what they will or will not do for your art, and since you can post a portfolio with nudes you can show them that you're not just a pervert looking for a cheap thrill.
If you are a pervert looking for a cheap thrill I'd advise not going to MM. -
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Re: Where do you find your models?
Tue, September 25, 2007 - 8:18 PMI'll second that. I've found several models through modelmayhem, and they do have quite a bit of discussion in their forums. Net-model.com is also reasonably decent. Something called coach or photo coach is a good place to put a listing. I don't recall doing it, but I'm there and I get calls once in a while from it, even earned some money for doing a shoot (non-nude).
For most of the first shoots I've done with models from modelmayhem, the model has brought an escort, which was fine by me. It's a point to consider. Unless you already know the model socially and he or she knows you, it's best to have someone else there for the shoot, even it is simply a make up artist or a lighting assistent. If the model has a significant other, it is probably best not to have the other there unless he or she is also modelling. And, I'd also like to suggest that if the model does have a boyfriend or husband that you try to find out what he might think about it. One of my best shoots was when after the shoot, the first thing she wanted to do was show her husband the images.
I also agree that perverts won't find much on MM to enjoy. But here? Type "pervert" in search and be prepared. -
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Re: Where do you find your models?
Fri, September 28, 2007 - 9:37 AMI've found the jealous partner issue is one best handled in a mature, up-front way with the model. With non-professional or new models especially I discuss whether there are going to be protests from family or partners. I've had everything from "my partner is vaguely not ok with this, but respects that it's my choice" to having an on-site husband escort who supports the process and is fun to have around. I think it helps that I'm a woman, but I'm also very specific about how I will react to jealousy. If a model has signed a release, I don't have to take them down for anyone. If she asks me for personal reasons (I'm running for office, I'm becoming a schoolteacher, or even I'm having a baby and I don't want my kid seeing me naked), I'm flexible. If I have a jealous boyfriend demanding I take down pictures, I'm going to have him escorted out of my office. I make this distinction clear to models--I'm happy to work with them, but I won't get into their drama. -
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Re: Where do you find your models?
Sun, September 30, 2007 - 4:52 PMI've used Model Mayhem and OneModelPlace both with success. Yes, sometimes there are flaky people, just like any other human enterprise. And the escort issue can be a problem and has been discussed at great length on MM. The good news is that if you are patient and take a good look around, you can find some professional and enthusiastic models to work with. People who have already decided and acted on a desire to be nude models, so you don't have to deal with shyness, jealous boyfriends, families who won't understand, etc.
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Re: Where do you find your models?
Wed, September 26, 2007 - 8:01 AMGreat topic. for five years I found my models via word of mouth, or through friends introducing me to other friend and when asked "What kind of Photography do you do?" I reply "Fine Art nudes."I have also approached people and ashed if they have ever considered art modelling. I have found only two flaws in this approach 1) Jealous partners 2) they look like they are over 21 and are still minors. For my own protection I make photo copies of the ID they show me and keep it in a file. I also network with other photographers in my area, or should I say the ones that know that just because we may both shoot weddings to pay the bills there is no reason that competition in business can't help one another out.
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Re: Where do you find your models?
Sun, September 30, 2007 - 5:27 AMI was a nude male model for two adult art schools in Chicago. Now I live in Upstate SC would be willing to pose nude for any would-be artist. The artist should be into sketching or drawing. I am in the Upstate area of South Carolina. I charge NO fee for new and "starving" artists. Email me for sample nude poses at: tpdraw@yahoo.com. I will get back to you as soon as I can. NOTE! Any photos I send you MUST be used for art ONLY!!! No placing my nude photos on any web site without my approval.
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Re: Where do you find your models?
Thu, October 4, 2007 - 6:30 PMThe BDSM community contains more than a few people who would like to pose nude.
Finding a model is not my problem. For this usually landscape photographer, finding suitable studio space is. -
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Re: Where do you find your models?
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 11:50 PMInteresting Sara - I'm doing BDSM photos, and finding models I want to work with has been doable, but harder then I would like. Do you get your models off of BDSM sites, or elsewhere?
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Re: Where do you find your models?
Wed, October 10, 2007 - 3:42 AMI have modeled in several contexts. I was a medical model, which can often be very "invasive" as in exams done by medical students. As I was becoming a midwife, this often involved explicit nudity, and was never sexually charged as one might imagine. I also posed for many art/media classes, and made a little mad money in both cases. It seems that I was always in demand as few other plus size women responded, in spite of emphatic requests for said physically prosperous forms :-)
Recently I have enjoyed a bit of playful erotic sessions. Nothing explicit mind you, but sexy and flirtatious. I have been wanting to do a shoot in an outdoor, nature, or even urban setting. In addition, I would like to pose in some of my fetish attire. So, the flip side is that I seek to exchange modeling for some photography. I would prefer someone with a gift, who might have an assistant to help me with makeup, and wardrobe. And indeed, the location is as challenging as the other components.
Great thread!
