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hi guys,
I was wondering about the idea of making monkey fists head for my staffs.
There are a few reasons for this.
1. monkey fists burn more time than tube core as far as I know.
2. I think the round shape would look nicer on isolation because it is really the fire that being isolated
3. the whight will be more concentrated on the end, which will make the staff better for contact.
The way I attached it to the staff is like this:
firstI drill a two screws in a cross that will go out of the staff from two sides about 0.5 cm from every side. than wrap a little bit the rope on the screws (to get something to be used as a core to the fist.t. finally I will make a large monkey fist (4 bight) and use the small one on the staff as my core.
what do you thing about the design?
One of the problems right now is that it doesn't comeout really round, becuse the staff is 22 mm width and it is a little bit disturbing, but apart of that it is really nice!.
I would like to hear your ideas to improve it.
Thanks,
Daniel
I was wondering about the idea of making monkey fists head for my staffs.
There are a few reasons for this.
1. monkey fists burn more time than tube core as far as I know.
2. I think the round shape would look nicer on isolation because it is really the fire that being isolated
3. the whight will be more concentrated on the end, which will make the staff better for contact.
The way I attached it to the staff is like this:
firstI drill a two screws in a cross that will go out of the staff from two sides about 0.5 cm from every side. than wrap a little bit the rope on the screws (to get something to be used as a core to the fist.t. finally I will make a large monkey fist (4 bight) and use the small one on the staff as my core.
what do you thing about the design?
One of the problems right now is that it doesn't comeout really round, becuse the staff is 22 mm width and it is a little bit disturbing, but apart of that it is really nice!.
I would like to hear your ideas to improve it.
Thanks,
Daniel
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Re: monkey fist for fire staff
Fri, May 8, 2009 - 6:45 PMI'd go with a wood staff, build the MFs normally then take a big nasty lag bolt and run it straight through the wick into the wood. Should be about 3" longer than the outside diameter of your MF. Add a big washer for extra security and a metal sheath on the ends of the wood rod.
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Re: monkey fist for fire staff
Fri, May 8, 2009 - 10:55 PMYes. Go with Tedward's scheme.
Anchoring a monkeyfist solely by the cord that makes up the monkeyfist will give you only two or three burns before the cord breaks.
Two possibilities: use your wood staff as the center of the monkeyfist -- a wooden ball is standard for fire MFs. Or try a simple turk's head knot instead of a monkeyfist. (Lots of diagrams on the web) You're only going to use one layer of wick anyway. Then glue it down (Elmer's white glue only) MF or Turk's head. Then run a bolt through it -- and glue in the bolt, too.
Elmer's just gets harder when heated, so it stands up under fire quite well. But used in excess (YMMV) it tends to fill up the air space in wick that would otherwise hold fuel.
I hope you're satisfied with the result, but I'm dubious about the prospect. Tell us what you do and how it works.
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Re: monkey fist for fire staff
Sun, May 10, 2009 - 7:36 AMmmm...
How do I prevent the wood from burning when it have a monkey fist straight on it?
In my version the cord is not the only thing that hold the fist, actually it is there only for the extra absorbant meterial. The fist is held by the cross of the two screws...
When it is difference between monkey fist and a turks head? always thought it is the same thing.
Thanks,
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Re: monkey fist for fire staff
Sun, May 10, 2009 - 9:26 AM"How do I prevent the wood from burning when it have a monkey fist straight on it? "
Get a metal tube (or make one) that's just a little smaller than the staff ... on the inside. Hammer the thing down so that it's good and snug. Play. -
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Re: monkey fist for fire staff
Sun, May 10, 2009 - 1:20 PMif I put metal anyway, why should I make wodden staff? I mean, I could use alu all the way... -
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Re: monkey fist for fire staff
Sun, May 10, 2009 - 7:12 PMBecause the lag bolt won't work with the aluminum staff, and you can't count on the wooden filler on the ends to stay put well. -
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Re: monkey fist for fire staff
Sun, May 10, 2009 - 10:39 PMWell... That make sense.
let me see if I understand. in the end of the staff I have a monkey fist straight on the staff, and below (closer the the center of the staff) it the metal tube.
now I take the lag, and stuck it in 90 degrees to my staff so it hold the fist (it is involvs drilling, right?)
correct ?or did I miss something?
Thank you very much!
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Re: monkey fist for fire staff
Mon, May 11, 2009 - 2:03 PMNo, you run it in the end so that it's like an extension of the length of the staff.
Here, maybe this will help, it's an eating torch built along the same idea:
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Re: monkey fist for fire staff
Tue, May 12, 2009 - 1:14 AMmmm...
so i take a wodden ball, build a fist around it, then drill both in the ball and the end of the staff and put the bolt through them? -
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Re: monkey fist for fire staff
Tue, May 12, 2009 - 7:40 AMFrankly I'd pre-drill the ball, but, yes, you have the idea... -
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Re: monkey fist for fire staff
Tue, May 12, 2009 - 8:43 AMye sure. But i dont really understand why i need the bolt? I can drill in the ball in the size of staff and put it straight on. Wouldnt it be stronger? -
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Re: monkey fist for fire staff
Tue, May 12, 2009 - 2:14 PMBy wrapping a ball separately, you get a more even distribution of wicking,
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Re: monkey fist for fire staff
Sun, May 10, 2009 - 2:32 PMI make wooden staffs and wrap the ends in copper foil. I use a "rabbit ear" hose clamp and JB weld to close it off. I'm posting from my phone, but can link you to my build notes when home.
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Re: monkey fist for fire staff
Sun, May 10, 2009 - 4:01 PMSorry, I missed that you screwed it down. That should be fine just so long as you finish the MF with very tight wraps. Don't forget the Elmer's.
The Monkyfist is in its own category of knot types, and is mostly used for weighting the end of a line or for decoration.
Turks heads are much more versatile, and can be used for anything from doormats to buttons to string bags to boat fenders, etc. There are many kinds of Turks head knots but all are essentially weaves requiring much patience and attention -- which is why I prefer Monkeyfists, and do them in-hand, quickly. (But that's after doing thousands of them -- would probably be as fast if I'd done as many of a single kind of Turks head.)
=Eric
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Re: monkey fist for fire staff
Thu, May 14, 2009 - 5:32 PMInteresting idea!!!
Have you photo of this construction?
