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Purchasing Bulk White Gas?

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Where does one go to purchase white gas in bulk? Lets say 50gal drums?

Storing it will be another issue.
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  • Hmmm, I'm not sure, but I don't think that's allowed. It's a bit more volatile than gasoline and has some pretty strict transportation limitations. I suppose you could try calling coleman's directly....
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    Also, the cans the coleman gas is stored in; obviously they are approved containers, but they also seem to me a poor container. They are easy to squash, puncture, and the cap does not give me a lot of confidence that under pressure, they wouldn't just pop-off. I have just used the cans, like most people do.

    Does anyone use another container to store and transport their fuel? Is there a better practice?
    • Actually, everything you said is kinda the point. You don't want a well-sealed can that can build up pressure. As far as the puncture and crush stuff, if it's only a gallon, it's not nearly as much an issue as a drum.

      Just saying... this is volatile stuff and you may need a special permit to take possession of that much quantity in one place. You should have seen the trouble I went through trying to get 4 measly gallons of Ethyl Acetate.
  • www.shellchemicals.com/alipha...tml#186

    Might want to get in touch with big evil directly. D43 is relatively equal to white gas, and D60 is somewhat of a step between white gas and lamp oil, low soot, but still low flash point. Shellsol D60 is what is repackaged in Australia and France as "Firewater".

    DISCLAIMER: I haven't personally bought from shell or had personal experience with either of those out of the drum, this is hearsay and MSDS reading.
    • the stuff sold as "firewater" in europe is NOT white gas. Mid grade kerosene at best.

      First, All of these have a flash point above 100 degrees (f), making them class III fuels, or operate roughly like lamp oil or kerosene
      Second, based on the hydrotreating, if I were to pick, I'd go with the 40 or 60, and not the 43.
      Third, not one of these is at the same refinement level as the basic lamplight farms lamp oil (not the ultra pure)
      • thanks, ted. And sorry above for the bad info. I looked into this about a year back, and this time just copied over the links I had from last time, and didn't re-read the msds sheets.

        That's making me wonder what I am remembering, because the lowest flash point one is still 42% parrafins and 57% napthenes, and the ideal white gas replacement would be all napthenes.

        I'll be more cautious about slinging links in the future
  • We hauled ours in 5 gallon kerosene plastic gas cans to BM to reduce the trash we brought. It worked well.

    Our local co-op used to carry the stuff in bulk, but they discontinued it. You might check around in your city.
    • Maybee we can get Howwoward to share more about how we did it. I believe we baught a 50 gallon drum of painters quality white gass through a paint company, they stored the barrel there and we brought over our empty white gass cans and filled them up re cycling them. Then they just ship the barrel back. We go through a tone of fuel so we could empty that barrel in one fel swoop and let the paint company ship it back right away. They may not be as inclined to keep that barrel there for an extended period of time, but they are the place licensed to carry the big barrels. Now our garrages and pickup trucks are a whole other danger, :P
  • If you really want a drum, find a distributor. You can buy it by the drum from anyone who distributes hydrocarbons, and they'll deliver it for you as well. If the first chemical distributor you call doesn't carry what you want, ask them where to go to get it.

    I would suggest though, that you check out any technical data on Coleman fuel ahead of time and cross reference it with a "generic" description because if you call asking for Coleman fuel they will not know what it is and they won't look too hard to find a cross for it if you're only buying a couple drums. You'll want to say, "I'm looking for an parafinic hydrocarbon with a flash point of X and a boiling range of Y." This info should be on the Coleman fuel MSDS. Note: I am not sure if Coleman is a parafinic hydrocarbon or not. I just used it as an example of how to word your query.

    I work for a chemical distributor and that's the best I can offer you. By the way, some of the big "national" distributors are Ashland, Univar, and Chem Central (the latter two recently merged). You may also have "regional" distributors in your area that cover your state and a couple adjoining states. Go to nacd.com and there is way to search for distributors near you on their main site.

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