wheatgrass

topic posted Fri, July 3, 2009 - 8:25 PM by  Tedward
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Some time back, people put out the idea of using wheatgrass as a cleanse after fire arts to 'get rid of the toxins'.

Well, I've done some study on the topic, grew my own, and am on day two. And though I must admit it seems to be having an effect, I know this isn't cleaning out the 'toxins' from fire performance. and here's why:

though it still hasn't been established that wheatgrass actually does "remove toxins" from the system, the places that do mention it indicate that they're biologically stored toxins (fat soluable, blood-born, etc). And that's dandy. Let's say it does, and it's better than garlic. Fine. The problem is, the chemicals in white gas, lamp oil, etc are biologically neutral. They're not stored in fat, they don't enter the blood stream. They slide into the spaces between cells and migrate out slowly through shedding. Deep, heavy build-up can cause interference between cellular communications and resource sharing. Organic bio-cleansers can't touch these toxins.

Now, it's true the afterburn soot can contain some biologically active substances, it's more likely that they'll have stuff like Carbon Monoxide. This "toxifies" you by locking onto the Iron in your blood. Usually, Iron connect loosely to Oxygen, allowing it to carry the O2 throughout the body, and release as necessary. But CO connects to these iron molecules and holds on like grim death. A couple of these monoxides and the red blood cell is useless. It can't carry O2 and becomes a useless bit of waste in your body. Eventually, the body passes them out.

Sorry
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    Re: wheatgrass

    Sat, July 4, 2009 - 5:51 PM
    <<<<<The problem is, the chemicals in white gas, lamp oil, etc are biologically neutral.>>>>>

    Sorta Tedward..... All of the above are lipid solvents. Everyone's brain is made of lipid fats. I agree the wheat grass won't help, even lamp oil is not unharmful with chronic exposure.
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      Sat, July 4, 2009 - 6:45 PM
      Point, I should have said the good stuff is biologically neutral. Its the alkanes that don't seem to have an effect, the benzens and such have huge effect.
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      Sun, July 5, 2009 - 3:38 PM
      this may sound stupid, but do i endanger myself by doing intermittent fire spinning (once a month or less), biologically speaking in terms of toxins?
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        Sun, July 5, 2009 - 5:13 PM
        Depends on your perspective. Byproducts of combustion do contain all kinds of harmful compounds, so do many of the fuels popularly burned.

        You're exposed to chemicals everyday, while pumping gas into your automobile, while waiting for the bus, while walking down the busy street, by entering a grocery store, by eating produce. etc.etc.etc.

        Is spinning a few sets of fire going to kill you? probably not in and of itself. But it does add points to your lifetime chronic exposure.
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          Sun, July 5, 2009 - 6:33 PM
          Yeah, it's a bit like asking if you're hurting yourself by walking barefoot. Yes, you ARE doing small bits of damage. And yes, with enough of it adding up quickly you will start to feel it. But short burst done carefully, not usually a problem.
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            Sun, July 5, 2009 - 7:49 PM
            thanks, guys. you're right-- it is true that everything is the world is toxic...why not spin a little fire while here? :)
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              Mon, July 6, 2009 - 2:14 PM
              I keep hearing from people that have been long term fire spinners about breathing problems, some of them reported to me they had to quit for awhile or take breaks. Might just be the high allergy problems out here in Utah combined as you say with all other toxins, parting, and cigarette smoking that goes on to make them have lung problems.

              I havent had any problems yet, and I am a heavy smoker, guess I need be mindful about a lot of things.
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                Wed, July 8, 2009 - 11:16 AM
                Yes, I would definitely like to know more about the long term effects of spinning/breathing, as I do it alot more than once a month. I have heard of various sicknesses popping up in the scene such as cancer, but not yet enough data to point to one or the other. We need like a hotline where people can share all medical problems that may have been helped along by fuels, a fire performers medical journal of sorts.

                We are the only people who will ever do this kind of research, unfortunately. It would be nice to one day thumb through the long term dangers of each act, or the immediate dangers of the simple things, say, when your breathing dribble makes your chin/neck itch. There is enough of us these days, perhaps in the next 5-10 we will know more for sure...
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                  Wed, July 8, 2009 - 11:43 AM
                  Fortunately, we have a medical researcher on our side. We're in the grant-finding stage I believe, and then clinical testing can begin.

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