Maybe a stupid question

topic posted Sat, May 17, 2008 - 4:47 AM by  Daphne
I am attending a festival about 4 hours away from my home. I need white gas. I was just going to bring it up with me, and then I was reading the NAFSA guidelines and it recommended not to transport white gas. The problem is the location is pretty rural and I am not sure white gas will be available where I am heading.
Has anyone traveled with white gas before?
Is there any recommendations for safety?
posted by:
Daphne
Massachusetts
  • Re: Maybe a stupid question

    Sat, May 17, 2008 - 9:24 AM
    I'm not sure what that recommendation is guarding against. Obviously the white gas has been transported to the point of sale, and lots of people take cans of white gas camping in remote areas without incident.

    The real concern with white gas is a mostly-empty, closed can. The vapors can make that into a bomb. So the recommendations to guard against that would be A) carry only mostly-full cans, and if you must carry empty cans, carry them uncapped (and give them plenty of time to air out before putting them in your car; B) keep them cool; C) don't jab pointed objects into closed cans, as that could cause sparks, leading to the bomb scenario.
    • Re: Maybe a stupid question

      Sat, May 17, 2008 - 9:49 AM
      Adam,

      Thanks! I thought so... but I figured maybe I was missing something. I will be bringing brand new ones up with me and most likely they will be used up so they won't be making a return trip home.
      • Re: Maybe a stupid question

        Sat, May 17, 2008 - 12:23 PM
        I think there's a 6 gallon limit according to the D.O.T. in their original containers (more if additional protection is provided) without requiring a volatile chemicals transportation permit. Never been tagged for that though...
  • Re: Maybe a stupid question

    Sat, May 17, 2008 - 12:49 PM
    ive left white gas in my trunk for months, though i probably shouldn't have. i've taken white gas with me on trips that have been well over four hours, keep it in the trunk of your car and you should be fine.
  • Re: Maybe a stupid question

    Sun, May 18, 2008 - 11:29 AM
    I've gotten out of a car at the top of a mountain to find my white gas cans had done that pressure build up thing any other bag will do when they undergo a drastic incline in elevation. That worried me a little but nothing exploded.
    • Re: Maybe a stupid question

      Mon, May 19, 2008 - 9:52 AM
      I've traveled a lot with white gas for camping.
      those coleman cans are built to vent pressure. ALWAYS, and I mean ALWAYS have them right side up, otherwise they will spray fuel everywhere. Other than that, they are made to be transported around.
      • Re: Maybe a stupid question

        Mon, May 19, 2008 - 11:07 PM
        Built to vent?

        Can you expand on that a bit?
        • Re: Maybe a stupid question

          Mon, May 19, 2008 - 11:25 PM
          A lot of volatile chemicals have a cap that releases pressure at a defined point. Theoretically this keeps the cans from exploding or bulging up. However, I don't thing Coleman's fuel has that kind of lid. It really seems to be a simple childproof screw-on.
          • Re: Maybe a stupid question

            Tue, May 20, 2008 - 12:54 AM
            Yah. I've never had fuel spray out of my Coleman can despite the fact that they sometimes lay on their side. Sometimes they even do bulge and release the pressure when I unscrew the cap.
            • Re: Maybe a stupid question

              Tue, May 20, 2008 - 5:34 AM
              You don;t think the coleman caps are like that?

              I've found that the way the cap works is to not shoot off wqhen being removed with pressure in the can. You can open the the can without the cap being removed to vent the pressure.

              /shrug.
              • Re: Maybe a stupid question

                Tue, May 20, 2008 - 8:17 AM
                Well, since the year I overbought a dozen cans for my conclave, I've had at least 2-3 cans in my car at all times. I've gotten very accustomed to the sound of them shrinking an growing depending on heat and elevation. I suppose they could be releasing gas, just not fast enough, but my first guess would be that the cans mentioned above aren't getting their lids put on tight. My second guess would be that coleman ships two lids: one for states that require pressure relief, and a simpler one for those that do not. Why two and not just the vent? For the 'spraying while on the side' problem stated above.
                • Re: Maybe a stupid question

                  Tue, May 20, 2008 - 12:08 PM
                  Yeah. a cap that vents slightly. It's got a pretty high pressure tolerance. I just know that I've had some leakage when I took a can from sea level to around 11,000 feet. That's a bit bigger pressure differential than normally around in a car, but a lot of my ski mountaineering buddies say the same thing. Always keep the fuel cans top-up, never have fuel near food, that sort of thing.

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