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If you're considering reducing the freedoms you expect to gain by going to another country perhaps it'd be a better idea to stay here in America. At the least we have a stable legal system that would protect the property rights of those involved in this purchase.
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Re: Relinquishing freedoms? Just stay in America.
Tue, August 5, 2008 - 4:55 PM
Well.... there are still a number of freedoms that we'll have in Nicaragua, that we couldn't have in America.
First of all, and most importantly, the cost of living is cheap. That's important because it means you might be able to work less, and live more. Free time is a very important freedom.
But beyond that Nicaragua is just far less regulated. You now need health permits to gift food at Burningman - how crazy is that?
The Shipyard in Berkeley has had the most horrible experiences in dealing with the city government. They received orders to shut down and vacate, and were allowed to stay open only after a public outcry.
So, at least we'd be free of some of that bureaucracy and regulations.
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Re: Relinquishing freedoms? Just stay in America.
Fri, August 8, 2008 - 9:13 AMAdam,
That is what liberals do...........they regulate, they abrogate rights...........
Oakland, Berkeley, San Francisco are the most autocratic towns in America...............
So when I read of a project that is ostensibly to offer a lack of the above.........it makes me suspicious. I've been to some of the ecovillages up and down the coast and what makes them distinctive to me is the somewhat uniformity of dogma adopted by those supposedly enjoying a lifestyle offering more freedom.......
Hope there are some Libertarians in there............
Have you guys looked at Costa Rica at all...? -
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Re: Relinquishing freedoms? Just stay in America.
Fri, August 8, 2008 - 12:31 PMglenn:
> That is what liberals do...........they regulate, they abrogate rights...........
Well.... let's not generalize. I consider myself to be a liberal with libertarian tendencies.
But you're right, in that some of the extreme left match the authoritarian principles of those on the extreme right. They both want to take away our freedoms.
> So when I read of a project that is ostensibly to offer a lack of the above.........it makes me suspicious.
The original idea for this project long ago, was real anarchy. Burning Man before '97 was an amazing week-long experience in real freedom. But, I don't know if I'm convinced it's scalable in terms of population or timeline. So, I think we're going to need to have some rules.
Now, I look at it like this. I think there is an inverse relationship between the number of rules, and the degree of trust. So, let's strive to keep the number of rules at a minimum.
A small number of rules, is actually going to be the sign of a very healthy community; one based on mutual respect and trust.
That's what I'll be striving for.
> Have you guys looked at Costa Rica at all...?
Honestly, no. Prices there are 4x higher than Nicaragua, and that alone is enough of a reason to chose Nicaragua instead.
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Re: Relinquishing freedoms? Just stay in America.
Fri, October 17, 2008 - 4:35 PMah....a side note about "rights".......
I just want to get one point really clear.....
1) Having rights is nice...but...just the existence of rights is not exactly a trouble-preventing-measure, especially when one is participating in borderline legal behavior, or behavior that is technically legal but not encouraged. Basically...my point is that once you are in legal trouble, and arrested or whatnot, EVEN if the arrest is a violation of your rights, at that moment, you are still arrested. you are still gonna have to dish out thousands upon thousands of dollars for legal fee's...you can win...you can loose....the case can go up on appeal, more money is spent, ect ect.....You have rights, they are violated, you still pay your lawyer to fight for you tho. So just being some place that has good rights doesnt protect you if your behavior is uhh...not that common, you know>? I mean, it helps, dont get me wrong....but...at least for me, there isnt any security there.
Plus, the more rights, the more regulations and restrictions seems to me to be the pattern.
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2) being some place that has less regulations, and less rights...seems like a nice alternative.....until I think about my motherland....Russia....very few regulations, very few laws, big big mafia and big big police presence. you wont need a permit to sell food at your festival, but you will need a good $5-10,000 to pay off the propers before doing whatever it is that you are doing, and of course your party can get raided by the military at any moment....and if your in a country like Guatamala or Russia...and the mafia comes to your house with guns....there is nothing that you can do....because at that point, the cops are paid off, the judges are paid off, your neighbors are paid off to say you hung yourself....ect ect....
so...I guess my point is, this project needs a legal division. lawyers. and if its abroad...you need foreign lawyers. preferably people that can work pro bono....(i have 2 years to go until i finish law school so...i would help but uhh....a little early for me....
