I'd be interested to hear from other Floyd folks, particularly, but not only, if you lived here since pre-1999, on whether the extreme increase in population and the rise in costs for just about everything have affected you?
So many people pre 1999 seemed to have found Floyd as a most affordable place to live simply and without much pressure on them to make big bucks unless they wanted to.
I know a number of my older friends here who are struggling just to pay their new property taxes and fuel costs and then are dealing with an influx of new neighbors, most of whom don't share their "back to the land - living simply" philosophy.
Would like to hear if others are affected by these changes and if so how are you dealing with it?
So many people pre 1999 seemed to have found Floyd as a most affordable place to live simply and without much pressure on them to make big bucks unless they wanted to.
I know a number of my older friends here who are struggling just to pay their new property taxes and fuel costs and then are dealing with an influx of new neighbors, most of whom don't share their "back to the land - living simply" philosophy.
Would like to hear if others are affected by these changes and if so how are you dealing with it?
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Re: Living in Floyd
Sun, October 22, 2006 - 5:47 PMFreeman,
My grandparents owned property here in Floyd County where my father was born and actually my grandfather was born there too.
It was a fair piece of land, a few hundred acres.
A few years ago when the property valuations began to jack up the appraised value and the taxes in the county increased it was almost like a conspiracy to make it nearly impossible for my grandparents to hold on to the entire farm.
Then their savings began gaining less interest as the interest rates dropped.
During all of this time realtors were hovering around their place like vultures and kept leaving their business cards in the mailbox or sending them postcards asking if they wanted to sell.
Three years ago, they were forced to sell off a large portion of their farm to a local realtor who immediately bought it himself, sub divided it, and now they have houses built nearly in their front yard.
So, for people who had been here pre 1999 and were on a fixed income and living simply, they still lost just about everything in the way of their heritage as the realtor told them the value of the property he bought was worth less than he ended up selling it for.
So they didn' make that much at all.
Don't know if this is what you meant.
But here's what happened to people affected by the increases you asked about.
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Re: Living in Floyd
Tue, October 24, 2006 - 6:39 AMI remember as a kid in Floyd going down to Riverflow while my parents played volleyball..nearly everyone felt like an extended family and I really miss that now.
Nearly everyone was a hippie and shared whatever they had with one another and it was a wonderful experience to not just feel like, but be part of a village.
It's funny, I recall when some of the guys suddenly demanded that the women could no longer play in the volleyball games and my parents were so put off by these guys Steve and Luke that they stopped going to Riverflow altogether.
So what I think about in terms of living and surviving in a rural area and creating community is definitely related to how just two people could change the atmosphere of an place and a time by their own egos and how quickly and easily most everyone followed, like sheep.
So now I'm wary of intentional community as I believe the most dominant and out of control individual will steer the group.
I can't remember his name but my parents became very close with a hippie who cut his hair to work on Floyd's first radio station and then went on to work at NPR.
He and his wife were as disillusioned as we all were about the changes in Floyd's alternative community and we'd get together at their farm with a small group of other community oriented folks and everyone would sit around for hours reading poetry and playing music and talking, talking talking and sharing ideas and being very supportive.
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Re: Living in Floyd
Tue, October 24, 2006 - 12:18 PMjust wanted to say I was a kid when alot of that volleyball and solstice stuff was going on down there at Riverflow.
I always felt alittle like an outsider being from here and most of those people didn't look like any of my relatives.
But many of those folks either left or mellowed, I guess.
I was reading a lady's comments in another post here and she says gatherings like at Riverflow aren't really different from a crowd of strangers at a rock concert.
Just a bunch of people looking for something to do on a saturday night.
But there still are plenty of good folks around.
Maybe people like you will come here and make a difference. Who knows?
And by the way, if you do come here, please look me up. You are gosh darn beautiful.
(Hope that's okay to say in this tribe??)
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Re: Living in Floyd
Wed, October 25, 2006 - 6:00 AMI really don't think everyone at Riverflow that day just followed those two guys like sheep.
They were probably fed up always playing volleyball with people who weren't any good and so all of the better players together wanted to make the change.
If it was only the women, back then, maybe they were the worst players.
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Re: Living in Floyd
Wed, October 25, 2006 - 7:53 AMWell, you sound just like the guys that decided a joyous open gathering of many folks would become directed by a handful of guys who probably weren't capable of being athletic enough to play organized sports or make a team in High School or college.
And no..that one experience alone didn't shape my attitude about community.
It did open my young eyes, though.
It showed me how a large group of people could be manipulated by a few.
I was really young but I recall hearing the adults talk about the incident and I remember how it became a topic at pot lucks and other gatherings.
The atmosphere of open extended community among the alternatives in Floyd then was becoming very cliquish.
Someone had said it was the dope dealers versus the back to landers and of course the dope dealers had the money to hire the back to lander people who had carpentry skills to build their homes for them.
Maybe the women had been the worst at volleyball.
But I doubt any of the women made the men go without suppers because the men couldn't cook very well.
What has shaped my views of community since then includes our moving to The Farm in Tennessee for awhile.
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Re: Living in Floyd
Wed, October 25, 2006 - 10:12 AMActually River flow is my neighborhood (I’m there now) and I was there for every one of those Volley Ball tournaments, I miss them too. However our friend was wrong when she said that solstice gatherings and similar gatherings are the same as any Rock concert. I have to say that they are quite different. There are some of us who are here sharing the Family love and spiritual vibration; I didn’t feel that at any big Rock concerts. -
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Re: Living in Floyd
Wed, October 25, 2006 - 2:40 PMHi Aaron.
Please allow me to explain from my perspective:
Human beings "love" or have a drive to be part of something that allows them to feel included into something larger or greater than themselves; such as any group sharing the same or most of the same ideas, feelings, beliefs.
We all have a need to feel more secure in our beliefs and often find it easier when others are in agreement with us. So we search out groups where agreement or a commonality is found.
Whether it is a pagan festival celebrating something no more miraculous than each moment of life nor the sun's rise (or the earth's rotation, actually) each morning, human beings search to feel inclusive within a group, within the universe. Perhaps this inclusiveness provides such comfort we relax our natural defenses and allow "love" to flow.
Individually we learn to want the sum to be greater than the parts.
Most beings, such a one as I perceive you to be, who are deeply rooted into mytsical spiritualism/religion in which one yearns to lose one's own identity into the singular "whole", may experience or emanate your own love for the experience so fully that others may ride along on your energy.
Maybe if you didn't feel it at rock concerts you weren't looking for it. and weren't prepared to express it..
Please remember I am just expressing my opinion which has no more value nor rings more true than yours or than anyone elses.
I am very glad you have found that Family love and spiritual vibration at the solstice gatherings.
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Re: Living in Floyd
Wed, October 25, 2006 - 5:44 PMYes, true, you are right, actually I have the same experience as you, I can relate to what you are saying.
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Re: Living in Floyd
Thu, January 24, 2008 - 5:02 AMRetreatism is the active word, That was the main draw for people who came here in the 70s. Thye really thought that they could hole up back in some hollow and just let the world pass them by.
I liked this quote :"The atmosphere of open extended community among the alternatives in Floyd then was becoming very cliquish.
Someone had said it was the dope dealers versus the back to landers and of course the dope dealers had the money to hire the back to lander people who had carpentry skills to build their homes for them. "
I am not sure it was this polarized or black and white, many of the carpenters were not building for drug dealers,or were themselves users.But why would you divide the community along those lines? I would divide it along the fissure of "those who worship Jerry Garcia" and those who think he was "just another heroin addict". I never wear tiedye, and do not have nasty unwashed patchouli scented locks,I cannot help but be prejudiced against those who do,lol.Most of the extreme hippy types are more worried about being hip and staying fucked up on drugs to contribute much to the community.We see them all the time, they drift into Floyd and stay until they realize they will have to work and support themselves,( then they move on to Asheville), the Hippy Mecca of the East.
The harvest moon is a great example of Floyd marketing , It has become a tourist stop, but many locals are priced out of the expensive products they sell.Sad to say that I liked it better when it was a funky little coop with warped floors and crowded shelves. Now it is like a giant glitzy starbucks format, affordability is no longer a concern.There must be a higher ideal behind what you do than "getting rich".
The fashion and drugs of the 60s have been carried out to the present, The radical politics have been left behind.It is a sort of selective nostalgia for the 60s, In fact being TOO radical or leftist will put you at odds with the hippies who are basically capitalists, trying to market Floyd as the new Haight Ashbury district. I had friends who refused to let their kids ride the school bus, lest they interact with "rednecks", this is pretty typical of the Floyd APARTHEID system.
So the hippies have marginalized and ghettoized themselves, I was never even drawn to Riverflow or it's neo-suburban layout, Why move to these beautiful mountains and create a slum of substandard hippy hovels and poor refugees from the Northeast? There is little reverence for the Appalachian culture that existed here, "Floyd fest" is the pinnacle of marketing Floyd as some sort of Hippy Mecca.
Let us celebrate the natural environment that makes Floyd a nice place to live,
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Re: Living in Floyd
Thu, January 24, 2008 - 7:54 PMI don't know any one who "worshiped Sparky" and his unfortunate end is a testament to where that sort of path leads, may he rest in peace. There is still some of the Appalachian reverence as seen at the Friday night jamboree's and the contra dances. -
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Re: Living in Floyd
Sun, February 3, 2008 - 6:37 AMI grew up in Pulaski county,When I moved to Illinois at age 10, I got beat up a lot for having a southern accent.I don't think many of you have ever been physically attacked for being from the south, you might feel a little different if you had.Locals are quickly becoming second class citizens in their own region.
Most Floydians assume that "locals" are rednecks,Whatever you say, You have certainly not adapted their speech or taken much from that culture.
It is still very much "us and them" along linguistic, residential and cultural lines.
Woody could not care less about Appalachia, He saw a chance to make a buck by marketing the music. Your proof of "alternative reverence for local culture" is pretty weak.How come even the hippies that have been here since 74 will never say "yall"? It just sounds bad to your ear, like ebonics or some other dialect of the lower class.
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Re: Living in Floyd
Sat, January 26, 2008 - 6:09 AMhey lou-
Sparky was not a con man, he was someone with enough gumption to get off his ass and try to explain and share what he believed with others, instead of sniping and griping like you you. now, whether he was on the right track may be indeed debatable, but Sparky believed in love, family, and community. you threw Sparky in at the end of your post as though he somehow triggered the corruption of the entire county. what a crock of shit. i doubt you could count on one hand the number of people that moved here after 1999 that even heard of him. i guess it is easy for some people to blame a dead man for their issues. i feel sorry for you lou.
and while ananda may be right - people might not have worshipped sparky - there are certainly people who loved him.
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Re: Living in Floyd
Sat, January 26, 2008 - 6:23 AMSparky had a good heart, and many good ideas. Root is a great person. -
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Re: Living in Floyd
Sun, February 3, 2008 - 7:00 AMTwo years ago you said the same thing about Jerrid,lol. (The latest version of Sparky.)
Now I can give you long lists of people that were ripped off or abused by this cat you soooo trusted.Ask around....
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Re: Living in Floyd; Running through the temple of hedonism smashing idols...
Sun, February 3, 2008 - 6:18 AMYeah, Old "sparks" quickly shifted from Mayan priest to UFO expert. Any uninformed souls can see the footage I have of him, I am willing to share.He went to Roswell and appeared in a documentary billing himself as a "UFO expert" I guess smoking a lot of grass and tripping gave him his "credentials",But most of Floyd has not seen this footage, They don't want to hear or see anything that challenges the gods they have invested their whole lives in.
I form my own opinions, if that is "griping" to you than so be it. Everyone told me how great this guy was and I was entirely unimpressed, and don't make me start with the evidence either. I respect those who were friends with him , but I am not convinced that he was any sort of god.Do you have the courage to admit when your loyalties have been misplaced? or do you cling desperately to the past?I have never been shown the " Love, Family or community " that accepted me as I am, Or accepted my gifts. It has always been the top-down patriarchy with some self styled "priest" at the top.Nothing novel or revolutionary there, It's the same model that Charles Manson used to control his followers.And Sparky wanted that so badly, wanted to be worshiped; and -lo and behold the weak minds fell to their knees.Certainly if I was sporting dreads to my ass and loaded with bud, I would be instantly accepted into this "family". But I am cynical and not inclined to follow anyone or anything, Sparky's keen eye for subordinates quickly assessed that I was a "low probability follower" and thus I held little interest for him, he wanted lost souls to mold into followers.
I am glad for all the positive minded folks who layed the groundwork in Floyd, Long before I ever moved here. Sparky was not one of the "positive" people though, Please convince me otherwise, I am open minded and willing to admit when I have been shown to be wrong.
I would like to discuss the issues with you ; Your opinions are interesting but you fail to support your position with any evidence. The "community" that Sparky formed was a bunch of drug addled luddites living in nasty old school buses, I never got the impression that he was trying to help anyone, Not without some return.So pick your battles carefully, I don't think that all the dirty laundry of that era needs to be aired for me to make my point. I am just as adamant when people attempt to tell me how their "personal relationship with Jesus has made them whole".It is the same crap with a different hub at the center.
But I have never been one to respect "authority", Not Jesus, George Bush or even Sparky, Ya'll have to show me something first....I am a confirmed Atheist, and so "believing" to me requires proof, not the testimonials of the born followers.But I see how it is, the old gods of Floyd will be furiously defended to the death. I mean seriously, If I was to configure a list of Floyd's most outstanding individuals,He would not even place.You have too much invested in this for your own good, and what has it earned you?Show me any thing to justify your devotion, The concept of the "sacred Mayan trailer park" is not doing it for me.
Lets see was it the trailer park of old school buses that made Sparky so great or the Drugs and phony Mayan Shamanism?. We see now that the Mayans destroyed themselves through a two tiered hierarchical society that clear cut the rain forest to constantly expand it's population. They enslaved and conquered neighboring groups, demeaned women...blah blah blah. Mormonism, Mayanism,Judaism, Sparkyism, None of these are offering the solutions that we need if we are to continue as a species. We need to throw all the old gods and outmoded ideals into the garbage and take a hard look at ourselves.I don't worship John Smith just because he claimed to have been given gold tablets from God, and I sure as shit don't worship Sparky because a bunch of eggheaded burnouts believe in his divinity,lol.
I feel like Jesus running through the temple, smashing idols and the commerce which has replaced idealism...If the peasants burn me at the stake it only means I am on the right path.The monoliths of Floyd culture are as stifling and backwards as the mainstream religions, you might as well be "preaching Allah" at me..I would like to seperate the wheat from the chaff, Put all the good and superior things about Floyd on one side of the table and on the other side let's put the hedonism, heavy drugs and patriarchy, Floyd will be much better without them.
So let's talk honestly, I am constantly battling the "old gods" in an effort to get beyond this disgusting nostalgia for the 60s.The 60s are over, Fuck free-love orgies,Being whacked out on "recreational hallucinogens" and nasty old boring ass tye dye, What was once "anti-establishment" has come full circle to become the enforced norm.Would your Gods ever admit that drugs could be a problem?Would they support drug treatment for people who need help? Probably not; As that would require an admission that drugs can be harmful if not used carefully.I think that drugs have done Floyd more harm than good, and they certainly were Steven Brick's downfall. For all the good he might have done, he undermined it with greed and a slf destructive lifestyle that caught up with him.
You don't even use the word "ya'll", Such is your contempt for local culture and dialect,There is no evidence at all that you ever attempted to "assimilate" into Appalachian culture at all,In fact you have ghettoized and marginalised yourselves right out of the picture.. You surround yourself with other white, middle class suburban reugees and tell me how superior Sparky was,LOL. bitch, please....
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Sweetwater and the super theory of everything..
Sun, February 3, 2008 - 7:21 AMI guess if you are coming to Floyd county to buid a ponzi-pyramid scheme, There are only a few commodities with which to start. So far we have seen the ponzis built on
1)organic foods
2)Drugs
3) phony spirituality
Start with a charismatic "leader" espousing a good idea. Add naive and loyal followers and mix gently. Walla!! it's the "high sweet flowin' river",.Allow to chill and extract money and sex from followers. serves 6-8 dirt hippies,lol.
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Re: Sweetwater and the super theory of everything..
Sun, February 3, 2008 - 8:08 AMbro, your concept of communities in Floyd is quite far from the truth, and definitely missing the point. -
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Re: Sweetwater and the super theory of everything..
Sun, February 3, 2008 - 9:19 AMWith all respect my friend,I don't think so. Floyd's communities are based on the "apartheid" system. Blue mountain school is analagous to the "Rivendell" home schoolers in the wish to separate themselves from the indigenous population.It is an invasion of outsiders who stick together in their own socio-economic groups.
Transplants from the suburbs of the northeast want to be surrounded by the same, Thus we see the same "development model" over and over again. An alternative suburbia of white middle class yankees. No minorities,or people with southern accents..Hunting ,fishing and the general consumption of animal protein is shunned.I admire the advances towards a greener way of life that ya'll have pioneered, I never wanted to disrespect that. But the 60s revolutionaries sold out a long time ago, just look at how lame the Floyd county tribe site is,haha. I am the only one generating any meaningful discussions here, like it or not.
I lived in Boone for years, Where rich Floridiots were buying up whole mountains to clear cut, put in a golf course and a Florida style gated community. There is no crime to speak of, and yet they will have a 24 hour security guard posted to keep the locals out.Drive down to Grandfather mountain and look into the biocentric future of Floyd, It might send a chill up your spine; or at least it should.
I furiously resist development along those lines, Our community should be inclusive to allow dissenting opinions and ideas from the old ones.How much would have been collectively accomplished in the 60s if the activists were listening to the music of the 20s and not hoping to make advances upon their parent's gains? so no, fuck steven, the Grateful Dead and all that tired old bullshit.I do not agree upon the preconditions that your clique sets to join.
Floyd pretty much focuses on the 60s trying to market itself as the new Haight Ashbury. But just like there, in no time the shysters and biker gangs took control.With a lack of organization, purpose and commitment, Floyd will soon be indistinguishable from the tacky vinyl French colonials of Riner.
The counter-revolution has begun against the same old crap we have been seeing for years. No one has posted anything on this site in months, Lets liven this place up.I thought Floyd was all about grass roots activism, and yet not one political opinion, permaculture article or meaningful post. Are you gonna make the one punk rocker on this whole site post the first bit on Bill Mollison?
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Re: Sweetwater and the super theory of everything..
Sun, February 3, 2008 - 1:53 PMFortunatley you nor any one else can stop the change that happens in Floyd or any where else with regards to alternative ways of living or thinking. Your fears and rants just make me laugh. People aren't responding on these posts because they have better things to do then respond to BS. -
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Re: Sweetwater and the super theory of everything..
Sun, February 3, 2008 - 4:26 PMHey you are the one defending drug dealers.. not me. I wanted to talk about living in Floyd and having conflicts with the "drug dealers".
Sparky was the quintessential drug dealer, sorry if that is letting the cat out of the bag..lol He even dressed like some kind of 70s b movie character. And yes he was totally immersed in the drug subculture, Can't Floyd move beyond glorifying drugs and drug dealers?
When I first met him I thought he was a talented and friendly artisan. Then as he descended into self destruction, I wished he could have just stayed a craftsmen. The drugs did him in. You know that is the truth. -
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Re: Sweetwater and the super theory of everything..
Sun, February 3, 2008 - 8:10 PMI agree with you, sad but true, yet he had a good heart. But I don't think many of the "alternative" people in Floyd reflect this type of situation, nor did any one ever worship him. I hear what your saying about the Appalachian culture yet one most remember that every one comes from a significant culture and has just as much history and a story to tell as any local around here, we are all equal and all have different gifts and values. -
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Re: Sweetwater and the super theory of everything..
Mon, February 4, 2008 - 12:13 PMYeah, that is one of the things I cherish about Floyd, the variety of gifts and values. But I’d guess that more of those values are shared in Floyd than Lou (er… “unsubscribed”) suggests as he rants against the supposed apartheid in Floyd. He goes on to say that hunting, fishing, and eating meat are generally shunned by the transplants… and worse they fail to use “y’all” in their speech.
Well, all I can say is, hogwash: Last night we had 20 of our friends over (yes, we are what you might call ‘alternatives’) watching the super bowl, commercials and all, and we ate a bunch of mighty fine food, much of it containing actual meat, including good ol’ Floydian venison meatballs. Y’all should have tried the chili! Yum, yum!
The point is, Lou, focusing on differences between people in a negative way, especially when you stoop to making personal attacks against a dead guy and his family, brings about suspicion and distrust, reinforcing a climate of apartheid. Your negative speeches about how different some of us are from others can only help to reinforce the very apartheid you bemoan. Repeating old, worn out stereotypes is certainly not going to help erase these boundaries you claim to resent. If you would take the time to befriend people who are different from yourself, I think you would find that we are, all of us, not so different from each other after all.
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Re: Sweetwater and the super theory of everything..
Mon, February 4, 2008 - 12:28 PMyeah, it sounded so delusional to me that I felt sorry for our bro Lou
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