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Originally posted in Genetically Modified Food Watch tribe by Sean
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United States Representative Rosa DeLauro (D-CT) has proposed legislation, H.R. 875, which would literally prohibit Americans from raising food for themselves, their families, or even for their animals, without the uber alles national government's permission! Extreme statement? NOT! H.R. 875 makes Americans serfs on their own land! Read on; this one bill could wipe the United States, as a free nation, from the face of the Earth! We urgently need your help to kill this extremely dangerous bill!
H.R. 875, the so-called Food Safety Modernization Act of 2009 (FSMA) sounds innocent enough at first blush, with language purporting to "protect the public health by preventing food-borne illness, ensuring the safety of food, improving research on contaminants leading to food-borne illness, and improving security of food from intentional contamination, and for other purposes." In reality, the FSMA is an extensive and all-controlling abomination that must be stopped!
The FSMA mandates registration of every "food production facility," which the bill defines as "any farm, ranch, orchard, vineyard, aquaculture facility, or confined animal-feeding operation;" and every "food establishment," which the bill defines as "a slaughterhouse..., factory, warehouse, or facility owned or operated by a person located in any State that processes food or a facility that holds, stores, or transports food or food ingredients."
H.R. 875 makes NAIS look tame. This bill will not just sweep up commercial food operations. The fine print of the FSMA will subject hobby gardeners, home canners, anyone with a few chickens, or anyone who "holds, stores, or transports food" - including mushrooms or wild berries gathered in the wild - to registration, extensive management, and inspection by a huge new bureaucracy, the Food Safety Administration (FSA)- even if the food items will only be consumed personally. And registration must be via "an electronic portal," which will be costly and difficult for those without computers.
H.R. 875 exponentially advances the "Foodborne Disease Surveillance Systems" required of member states of the World Health Organization (WHO), which includes the United States. "Food establishments" will be required to adopt preventive process controls, including implementing recordkeeping and labeling of all food and food ingredients to facilitate their identification and traceability, including instructions for handling and preparation for consumption. This might sound rather reasonable... until you remember the definition of a "food establishment" above.
Immensely telling of how seriously this bill does not take "food safety," though, is Section 204(2)(C), which promises the Administrator will identify the "5 most significant (food) contaminants", and "not later than 3 years after a contaminant is so identified, the Administrator shall promulgate a performance standard..." Gee whiz, what's the rush?
Perhaps the Administrator's promulgation timetable has little to do with acting quickly and decisively to protect U.S. citizens (or even "all people in the United States" as required by the FSMA) and much, much more to do with the World Health Organization's stated desire in its 2004 report entitled "FOODBORNE DISEASE MONITORING AND SURVEILLANCE SYSTEMS" that "the objectives and strategies (of food borne disease surveillance systems) established by each country should be acceptable to all member countries (www.fao.org/docrep/meeting...81e.htm)," which doubtless would take time.
Perhaps it is because "studies linking pathogens in food to the disease in humans would help quantify the risk of food borne diseases." In other words, no entity, not the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), and not the WHO, can prove a significant problem exists in the United States.
The FSMA will not even quickly implement protections for Americans from contaminated foreign foodstuffs. The bill states, "(n)ot later than 2 years after the date of the enactment of this Act" imported food products shall be certified safe "by the accredited foreign government (think CHINA!) or by an accredited certifying agent..." Again, what's the rush?
Maddeningly, the FSMA expects Congress to again approve a far-reaching bill without knowing the details. In this case, Congress will find out much later:
what federal resources would be dedicated to foodborne illness and food safety research;
what transfer of agencies, personnel, assets, obligations, and consolidation, reorganization, or streamlining of agencies will be involved; and
the details of regulations the new Food Czar (Administrator of the FSA) will promulgate after enactment of the Act.
Among the statutory foundations the FSMA claims for guidance and authority is the National Animal Identification System, which HAS NEVER BEEN ENACTED INTO LAW BY CONGRESS!
But beyond the mandated violations of our civil liberties in the FSMA - registration, traceability, inspections, seizures, etc. (all without court orders or search warrants), - the truly chilling language lays out civil and criminal penalties of up to $1 million per day, per infraction, and imprisonment of five or ten years, or both, depending how serious the violation(s).
Additionally, "(a)n order assessing a civil penalty against a person... shall be a final order unless the person-- (A) not later than 30 days after the effective date of the order, files a petition for judicial review of the order in the United States court of appeals... (and) (t)he findings of the Administrator relating to the order shall be set aside only if found to be unsupported by substantial evidence on the record as a whole." The FSMA is so over-the-top in its overreach that the bill's language states, "(t)he validity and appropriateness of the order of the Administrator assessing the civil penalty shall not be subject to judicial review."
And if you're by now thinking this is about as outrageous as this bill can be, you'd be very wrong. Section 406 clearly states, "(i)n any action to enforce the requirements of the food safety law, the connection with interstate commerce required for jurisdiction SHALL BE PRESUMED TO EXIST."
Now, for those who noticed, and questioned, why "foodborne" is spelled as if we reside "on the Continent," and why the United States government is attempting to implement a "solution" wanting for a "problem" - you guessed it - "Foodborne Disease Monitoring and Surveillance Systems" are a priority with the World Health Organization, to which our national government has committed US through its membership.
The 53rd World Health Assembly (a branch of the WHO) in the year 2000 adopted a resolution to recognize food safety as an essential public health function and called for the development of a Global Strategy for reduction of the burden of food borne diseases. The resolution (WHA 53.15) encouraged member states "to implement and keep national, and when appropriate, regional mechanisms for food borne diseases surveillance." All this, despite the WHO admission in a 2004 report (www.fao.org/docrep/meeting/006/j2381e.htm) that "(t)he true dimension of the burden of food borne diseases is still unknown..."
The FSMA is a "government solution" in seek of a problem! In the year 1900 at least some cases in two of the ten leading causes of death might have been food related (diarrhea/enteritis, liver disease). But the twin leading causes were pneumonia, followed closely by tuberculosis.
In 2002, WHO listed the leading cause of death in the U.S. (www.who.int/whosis/mort/pr.../mort_amro_usa_
unitedstatesofamerica.pdf) as ischaemic heart disease, killing ~ 514,000 people. The second greatest cause was cerebrovascular disease (stroke), killing ~ 163,000. None of the top ten causes bore any relation to foodborne illness.
In apparent support of all this brazen, strong-arm command and control attempt, the CDC reports its estimate that every year in the United States sees approximately 76 million cases of foodborne illness (www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/fro...oodborne.html), with 325,000 hospitalizations and 5,000 deaths (which equates to one death out of every 15,200 who become ill). Admittedly those 5,000 deaths are significant, and devastating to all those involved, but this figure must be put in perspective. We must consider the larger picture long before we even consider such draconian measures as those mandated by the FSMA.
Perhaps too little is known of reports that "iatrogenic events" - medical errors - kill almost 800,000 in the U.S. each year (www.whale.to/a/null9.html#...enic_Events_). That's the equivalent of six jumbo jets falling out the sky each and every day. Those who track these events believe as few as 5% and no more than 20% of these deaths are ever reported.
Clearly deaths resulting from foodborne disease are exponentially lower than these other major causes, which begs an obvious question: If Congress is so very concerned about our health, why haven't they felt inclined to tackle the much more significant incidence of iatrogenic deaths in this nation? Hmmm?
One need only consider the "Healthy People 2010" goals (www.healthypeople.gov/About/goals.htm) to understand the true (A)genda behind this initiative.
ACTION TO TAKE
The FSMA is an extremely dangerous bill. We recommend a multi-prong attack, as the more salvos we throw at the FSMA the better chance we have of killing this abomination.
Contact House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, via phone: (202) 225-0100, or email: speaker.house.gov/contact/.
Contact the House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, via phone: 202.225.3130, or email: www.majorityleader.gov/email_an..._leader/.
Contact the House Republican Leader John Boehner, via phone: (202) 225-4000, fax: (202) 225-5117, or email: republicanleader.house.gov/Contact/.
On March 11th Congress will hold its first hearing in many years on the National Animal Identification System (NAIS), conducted by the Livestock, Dairy and Poultry Subcommittee. It is vitally important you contact all the committees below.
Contact the Livestock, Dairy and Poultry Subcommittee members listed below. If one of the Subcommittee members is from your state, call that member.
Mike Rogers (R-AL)
Phone: 202-225-3261
Fax: 202-226-8485
Dennis Cardoza (D-CA)
Phone: 202-225-6131
Fax: 202-225-0819
Jim Costa (D-CA)
Phone: 202-225-3341
Fax: 202-225-9308
Joe Baca (D-CA)
Phone: 202-225-6161
Fax: 202-225-8671
Betsy Markey (D-CO)
Phone: 202-225-4676
Fax: 202-225-5870
David Scott (Chair), (D-GA)
Phone: 202-225-2939
Fax: 202-225-4628
Leonard Boswell (D-IA)
Phone: 202-225-3806
Fax: 202-225-5608
Steve King (R-IA)
Phone: 202-225-4426
Fax: 202-225-3193
Walt Minnick (D-ID)
Phone: 202-225-6611
Fax: 202-225-3029
Frank Kratovil, Jr. (D-MD)
Phone: 202-225-5311
Fax: 202-225-0254
Adrian Smith (R-NE)
Phone: 202-225-6435
Fax: 202-225-0207
Tim Holden (D-PA)
Phone: 202-225-5546
Fax: 202-226-0996
David P. Roe (R-TN)
Phone: 202-225-6356
Fax: 202-225-5714
K. Michael Conaway (R-TX)
Phone: 202-225-3605 or 866-882-381
Fax: 202-225-1783
Randy Neugebauer, Ranking Minority Member (R-TX)
Phone: 202-225-4005 or 888-763-1611
Fax: 202-225-9615
Bob Goodlatte (R-VA)
Phone: 202-225-5431
Fax: 202-225-9681
Steve Kagen (D-WI)
Phone: 202-225-5665
Fax: 202-225-5729
Contact your own Representative and ask him or her to approach the Subcommittee member to urge them to oppose NAIS.
If you're not sure who represents you, click here: www.congress.org/.
We strongly recommend that you make at least your initial contact by telephone.
Additionally, H.R. 875 has been assigned to the committees on Energy and Commerce, and Agriculture.
Contact members of the Energy and Commerce Committee via phone: (202) 225-2927, or email: energycommerce.house.gov/index.php
content&task=view&id=1313&Itemid=1.
Contact members of the Agriculture Committee via phone: 202-225-2171, fax: 202-225-8510, or email: agriculture@mail.house.gov. Committee members are listed here: agriculture.house.gov/inside/...rs.html.
Make as many contacts as possible. Be polite, but firm.
Tell them Americans will not stand for this unwarranted and unconstitutional abrogation of our liberty!
Tell them THIS BILL NEEDS TO DIE IN COMMITTEE!!!
Visit the American Policy Center website
SEND THIS MESSAGE TO AT LEAST TEN MORE PEOPLE! APC is now offering you a quick and easy way to multiply your efforts and help win more battles! Simply click here to send this APC Action Alert to up to TEN of your friends! It’s fast, it’s easy and most of all, it’s extremely effective in KILLING OPPRESSIVE POLICIES!
thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z
www.americanpolicy.org/sledge...ies.htm
United States Representative Rosa DeLauro (D-CT) has proposed legislation, H.R. 875, which would literally prohibit Americans from raising food for themselves, their families, or even for their animals, without the uber alles national government's permission! Extreme statement? NOT! H.R. 875 makes Americans serfs on their own land! Read on; this one bill could wipe the United States, as a free nation, from the face of the Earth! We urgently need your help to kill this extremely dangerous bill!
H.R. 875, the so-called Food Safety Modernization Act of 2009 (FSMA) sounds innocent enough at first blush, with language purporting to "protect the public health by preventing food-borne illness, ensuring the safety of food, improving research on contaminants leading to food-borne illness, and improving security of food from intentional contamination, and for other purposes." In reality, the FSMA is an extensive and all-controlling abomination that must be stopped!
The FSMA mandates registration of every "food production facility," which the bill defines as "any farm, ranch, orchard, vineyard, aquaculture facility, or confined animal-feeding operation;" and every "food establishment," which the bill defines as "a slaughterhouse..., factory, warehouse, or facility owned or operated by a person located in any State that processes food or a facility that holds, stores, or transports food or food ingredients."
H.R. 875 makes NAIS look tame. This bill will not just sweep up commercial food operations. The fine print of the FSMA will subject hobby gardeners, home canners, anyone with a few chickens, or anyone who "holds, stores, or transports food" - including mushrooms or wild berries gathered in the wild - to registration, extensive management, and inspection by a huge new bureaucracy, the Food Safety Administration (FSA)- even if the food items will only be consumed personally. And registration must be via "an electronic portal," which will be costly and difficult for those without computers.
H.R. 875 exponentially advances the "Foodborne Disease Surveillance Systems" required of member states of the World Health Organization (WHO), which includes the United States. "Food establishments" will be required to adopt preventive process controls, including implementing recordkeeping and labeling of all food and food ingredients to facilitate their identification and traceability, including instructions for handling and preparation for consumption. This might sound rather reasonable... until you remember the definition of a "food establishment" above.
Immensely telling of how seriously this bill does not take "food safety," though, is Section 204(2)(C), which promises the Administrator will identify the "5 most significant (food) contaminants", and "not later than 3 years after a contaminant is so identified, the Administrator shall promulgate a performance standard..." Gee whiz, what's the rush?
Perhaps the Administrator's promulgation timetable has little to do with acting quickly and decisively to protect U.S. citizens (or even "all people in the United States" as required by the FSMA) and much, much more to do with the World Health Organization's stated desire in its 2004 report entitled "FOODBORNE DISEASE MONITORING AND SURVEILLANCE SYSTEMS" that "the objectives and strategies (of food borne disease surveillance systems) established by each country should be acceptable to all member countries (www.fao.org/docrep/meeting...81e.htm)," which doubtless would take time.
Perhaps it is because "studies linking pathogens in food to the disease in humans would help quantify the risk of food borne diseases." In other words, no entity, not the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), and not the WHO, can prove a significant problem exists in the United States.
The FSMA will not even quickly implement protections for Americans from contaminated foreign foodstuffs. The bill states, "(n)ot later than 2 years after the date of the enactment of this Act" imported food products shall be certified safe "by the accredited foreign government (think CHINA!) or by an accredited certifying agent..." Again, what's the rush?
Maddeningly, the FSMA expects Congress to again approve a far-reaching bill without knowing the details. In this case, Congress will find out much later:
what federal resources would be dedicated to foodborne illness and food safety research;
what transfer of agencies, personnel, assets, obligations, and consolidation, reorganization, or streamlining of agencies will be involved; and
the details of regulations the new Food Czar (Administrator of the FSA) will promulgate after enactment of the Act.
Among the statutory foundations the FSMA claims for guidance and authority is the National Animal Identification System, which HAS NEVER BEEN ENACTED INTO LAW BY CONGRESS!
But beyond the mandated violations of our civil liberties in the FSMA - registration, traceability, inspections, seizures, etc. (all without court orders or search warrants), - the truly chilling language lays out civil and criminal penalties of up to $1 million per day, per infraction, and imprisonment of five or ten years, or both, depending how serious the violation(s).
Additionally, "(a)n order assessing a civil penalty against a person... shall be a final order unless the person-- (A) not later than 30 days after the effective date of the order, files a petition for judicial review of the order in the United States court of appeals... (and) (t)he findings of the Administrator relating to the order shall be set aside only if found to be unsupported by substantial evidence on the record as a whole." The FSMA is so over-the-top in its overreach that the bill's language states, "(t)he validity and appropriateness of the order of the Administrator assessing the civil penalty shall not be subject to judicial review."
And if you're by now thinking this is about as outrageous as this bill can be, you'd be very wrong. Section 406 clearly states, "(i)n any action to enforce the requirements of the food safety law, the connection with interstate commerce required for jurisdiction SHALL BE PRESUMED TO EXIST."
Now, for those who noticed, and questioned, why "foodborne" is spelled as if we reside "on the Continent," and why the United States government is attempting to implement a "solution" wanting for a "problem" - you guessed it - "Foodborne Disease Monitoring and Surveillance Systems" are a priority with the World Health Organization, to which our national government has committed US through its membership.
The 53rd World Health Assembly (a branch of the WHO) in the year 2000 adopted a resolution to recognize food safety as an essential public health function and called for the development of a Global Strategy for reduction of the burden of food borne diseases. The resolution (WHA 53.15) encouraged member states "to implement and keep national, and when appropriate, regional mechanisms for food borne diseases surveillance." All this, despite the WHO admission in a 2004 report (www.fao.org/docrep/meeting/006/j2381e.htm) that "(t)he true dimension of the burden of food borne diseases is still unknown..."
The FSMA is a "government solution" in seek of a problem! In the year 1900 at least some cases in two of the ten leading causes of death might have been food related (diarrhea/enteritis, liver disease). But the twin leading causes were pneumonia, followed closely by tuberculosis.
In 2002, WHO listed the leading cause of death in the U.S. (www.who.int/whosis/mort/pr.../mort_amro_usa_
unitedstatesofamerica.pdf) as ischaemic heart disease, killing ~ 514,000 people. The second greatest cause was cerebrovascular disease (stroke), killing ~ 163,000. None of the top ten causes bore any relation to foodborne illness.
In apparent support of all this brazen, strong-arm command and control attempt, the CDC reports its estimate that every year in the United States sees approximately 76 million cases of foodborne illness (www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/fro...oodborne.html), with 325,000 hospitalizations and 5,000 deaths (which equates to one death out of every 15,200 who become ill). Admittedly those 5,000 deaths are significant, and devastating to all those involved, but this figure must be put in perspective. We must consider the larger picture long before we even consider such draconian measures as those mandated by the FSMA.
Perhaps too little is known of reports that "iatrogenic events" - medical errors - kill almost 800,000 in the U.S. each year (www.whale.to/a/null9.html#...enic_Events_). That's the equivalent of six jumbo jets falling out the sky each and every day. Those who track these events believe as few as 5% and no more than 20% of these deaths are ever reported.
Clearly deaths resulting from foodborne disease are exponentially lower than these other major causes, which begs an obvious question: If Congress is so very concerned about our health, why haven't they felt inclined to tackle the much more significant incidence of iatrogenic deaths in this nation? Hmmm?
One need only consider the "Healthy People 2010" goals (www.healthypeople.gov/About/goals.htm) to understand the true (A)genda behind this initiative.
ACTION TO TAKE
The FSMA is an extremely dangerous bill. We recommend a multi-prong attack, as the more salvos we throw at the FSMA the better chance we have of killing this abomination.
Contact House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, via phone: (202) 225-0100, or email: speaker.house.gov/contact/.
Contact the House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, via phone: 202.225.3130, or email: www.majorityleader.gov/email_an..._leader/.
Contact the House Republican Leader John Boehner, via phone: (202) 225-4000, fax: (202) 225-5117, or email: republicanleader.house.gov/Contact/.
On March 11th Congress will hold its first hearing in many years on the National Animal Identification System (NAIS), conducted by the Livestock, Dairy and Poultry Subcommittee. It is vitally important you contact all the committees below.
Contact the Livestock, Dairy and Poultry Subcommittee members listed below. If one of the Subcommittee members is from your state, call that member.
Mike Rogers (R-AL)
Phone: 202-225-3261
Fax: 202-226-8485
Dennis Cardoza (D-CA)
Phone: 202-225-6131
Fax: 202-225-0819
Jim Costa (D-CA)
Phone: 202-225-3341
Fax: 202-225-9308
Joe Baca (D-CA)
Phone: 202-225-6161
Fax: 202-225-8671
Betsy Markey (D-CO)
Phone: 202-225-4676
Fax: 202-225-5870
David Scott (Chair), (D-GA)
Phone: 202-225-2939
Fax: 202-225-4628
Leonard Boswell (D-IA)
Phone: 202-225-3806
Fax: 202-225-5608
Steve King (R-IA)
Phone: 202-225-4426
Fax: 202-225-3193
Walt Minnick (D-ID)
Phone: 202-225-6611
Fax: 202-225-3029
Frank Kratovil, Jr. (D-MD)
Phone: 202-225-5311
Fax: 202-225-0254
Adrian Smith (R-NE)
Phone: 202-225-6435
Fax: 202-225-0207
Tim Holden (D-PA)
Phone: 202-225-5546
Fax: 202-226-0996
David P. Roe (R-TN)
Phone: 202-225-6356
Fax: 202-225-5714
K. Michael Conaway (R-TX)
Phone: 202-225-3605 or 866-882-381
Fax: 202-225-1783
Randy Neugebauer, Ranking Minority Member (R-TX)
Phone: 202-225-4005 or 888-763-1611
Fax: 202-225-9615
Bob Goodlatte (R-VA)
Phone: 202-225-5431
Fax: 202-225-9681
Steve Kagen (D-WI)
Phone: 202-225-5665
Fax: 202-225-5729
Contact your own Representative and ask him or her to approach the Subcommittee member to urge them to oppose NAIS.
If you're not sure who represents you, click here: www.congress.org/.
We strongly recommend that you make at least your initial contact by telephone.
Additionally, H.R. 875 has been assigned to the committees on Energy and Commerce, and Agriculture.
Contact members of the Energy and Commerce Committee via phone: (202) 225-2927, or email: energycommerce.house.gov/index.php
content&task=view&id=1313&Itemid=1.
Contact members of the Agriculture Committee via phone: 202-225-2171, fax: 202-225-8510, or email: agriculture@mail.house.gov. Committee members are listed here: agriculture.house.gov/inside/...rs.html.
Make as many contacts as possible. Be polite, but firm.
Tell them Americans will not stand for this unwarranted and unconstitutional abrogation of our liberty!
Tell them THIS BILL NEEDS TO DIE IN COMMITTEE!!!
Visit the American Policy Center website
SEND THIS MESSAGE TO AT LEAST TEN MORE PEOPLE! APC is now offering you a quick and easy way to multiply your efforts and help win more battles! Simply click here to send this APC Action Alert to up to TEN of your friends! It’s fast, it’s easy and most of all, it’s extremely effective in KILLING OPPRESSIVE POLICIES!
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Re: H.R. 857: Globalists claim dominion over US food supply
Thu, March 12, 2009 - 1:11 PMJoy this is complete nonsense.
The Department of Agriculture is very much involved in communities all over the US promoting Master Gardener Programs that teach individuals who in return teach children how to grow food in their own backyards.
It is highly encouraged. Espiecally the use of heirloom seeds by small growers to preserve them for further generations. Seed foundations have been formed at public Universities like the Legacy Foundation at the University of Georgia.
If I were you I would get in touch with your local cooperative extension office and discuss this matter with them.
In a world of possible biological terrorism one should know where there food is coming from, who is processing it, and whether it is safe or not. It may put heavier controls on Farmers Markets and vegetable stands.
This bill in no way shape or form discourages back yard gardeners. -
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Re: H.R. 857: Globalists claim dominion over US food supply
Wed, April 1, 2009 - 11:07 PMI highly disagree. Before responding to this post with your opinion on the matter, read the bill. Go past the colorful text justifying why they want to do this as "protection" and truly read the implications.
H.R. 875:
frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-b...oc.cgi
S. 425:
www.govtrack.us/data/us/bi.../s425is.pdf
Monsanto is behind this, and they previously tried to more or less own a patent on pigs. I know it is hard to believe that there are corporations, politicians and other entities that don't have our best interest in mind, but you need to do your own research on the matter before stating your opinion. -
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Re: H.R. 857: Globalists claim dominion over US food supply
Thu, April 2, 2009 - 8:21 AMGo to "Raw wisdom Tribe" for an on going series of threads on this. A lot of good thoughts, and research.
The consensus on this is that there is NO WAY the government can, will, or ever will be able to control home gardens.
Guns, drugs, crime, unemoloyment, rising cost, wars going on, wars looming, healthcare ,(or non-care I should say), lousy educational system, SSI on the brink, $$$ issues that are crippling the country, on and on and on..........
What in the world could make anyone think the Gov. is going to start up the, " Garden police" ?
In these economic times , gardening will become an extremely important factor in many peoples lives. NO ONE is going to step up and say " you can't get a job, or collect enough $$ from the gov. to survive on, oh and by the way, you can't grow food either !"
Think for yourself , use common sence. I mean , can you realy see cops pulling Corn, or Tomatos out of somebody's back yard on the 6:00 news, like it was a bunch of pot ?
Get real, this is alarmist bull shit.
there has to be a way to quickly back track and locate the source of contaminated food. If you're selling any quantity of produce, be it from your back yard or not, and it gets contaminated, wouldn't you WANT to know about it ? With out a system in place, how would you/anyone know the source of the problem ?
Not enough $$ for the " real" police, and you think, the gov. is going to fund the Garden Guards ???? Even if they wanted to, it would not be possible, hell they can only put a dent in the pot growers ! Add several million illegal Tomato growers to that...duhhhh. -
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Re: H.R. 857: Globalists claim dominion over US food supply
Thu, April 2, 2009 - 1:58 PMThank you for your mention of the post in Raw Wisdom Tribe, I should check it out. Though I highly believe a consensus is not really possible to create in a Forum of any sort (I am a grassroots organizer and we try and use consensus... Trust me, it is nearly impossible and takes a very long time).
>>>>The consensus on this is that there is NO WAY the government can, will, or ever will be able to control home gardens.
Guns, drugs, crime, unemployment, rising cost, wars going on, wars looming, healthcare ,(or non-care I should say), lousy educational system, SSI on the brink, $$$ issues that are crippling the country, on and on and on...
You are right, costly right? Well that never stopped our government from spending money we don't have in the History of the U.S. Our country has been in severe deficit for hundreds of years (look into it before responding).You should look into how "money" is created. If there isn't any to be had, it is created out of debt. That's right, money=debt (look into it before responding). Thus we have and always will have plenty of "money" to do anything the Government sees fit. Not to mention the Investment bankers that are involved in most any political process of this scale. I have read the documents myself, and I can assure you a lot of money will be funneled up to the government and other safe-guarded/beneficiary entities such as Monsanto, Agro-business and their marketers, and food standardizing industries.
>>What in the world could make anyone think the Gov. is going to start up the, " Garden police" ?
Same reason the Government in this and other countries oppress and control basic rights. Money (See points above)
>>In these economic times , gardening will become an extremely important factor in many peoples lives.
Exactly why it is profitable to capitalize on it. Why do you think anyone capitalized on anything? Safe investment. Speaking of which, have you looked into Monsanto and their attempt at patenting (controlling) the rights to a strain of DNA? Conveniently enough that strain of DNA they hoped to stake claim to was on pigs (Look into it before responding). That's right, own pigs. Why? Bankroll.
>>Think for yourself , use common sence.
I do. Constantly. Though what separates me from you is the years and years of research and personal experience on this and similar topics. I NEVER state my opinion as "fact" "common sense" or "consensus" unless I have done my own independent research. Again, I have read the documents, and would be happy to take a picture of myself holding the documents for you to see I did the research. Very soon I hope to post a blog with point by point responses to both of the documents (stay tuned). I could provide links to the documents in question, but you are encouraged to find them yourself.
>>can you realy see cops pulling Corn, or Tomatos out of somebody's back yard on the 6:00 news, like it was a bunch of pot ?
No, that wouldn't make them much money. Two suggestions for you; 1.) look into Media Consolidation (look it up before responding) and what is defined as marketable "News" 2.) Look into the "War on Drugs" and who truly benefits from it and who is truly harmed by it (Look into it before responding).
>>Get real, this is alarmist bull shit
I would get into "get real" and what is reality, but this is a topic for another time. You call it alarmist, and I am sure many other "theories" or "conspiracies" I view as fact can also be dubbed as such. Again I state that what separates me (alarmist) from you (common sense thinker) is that I have done the research. Here is your opportunity to prove yourself wrong (also something I am always open to) and do the research or let my words effect you emotionally and strike back before doing said research.
>>there has to be a way to quickly back track and locate the source of contaminated food.
Even better then tracking contaminated food, why not prevent contamination? There are many techniques to do this that will not be as invasive and costly to us tax payers. Such as crop rotation, organic gardening, preventing ground water and soil contamination, and using ethical (as well as safe) practices when working with living, thinking, feeling creatures such as animals. Salmonella and E.Coli didn't exist until Monsanto and Agro-business, nor did alarming rates of heart-disease, genetic mutations, malnourishment and genetically engineered organisms. If there is one thing you do research on, let it be this. How did the recent peanut contamination happen? Going back a little, how did the Spinach and Lettuce from a few years ago get contaminated? How about Iams and the pet food contamination? What about Odwalla? How are all these incidences connected? What about Enron, did they truly make a fortune? How might that be related to the current state of the economy and you and your loved ones? (Seriously give it a try. You can even use the internet and type "(__name of company or incident__ & Lawsuit; or Class Action, or Settlement, or Caution, or Contamination).
>>With out a system in place, how would you/anyone know the source of the problem ?
There wouldn't be a problem. I KNOW the people that grow my food. Just last night my Love and I ate an entire meal made of vegetables, most of which came from a near and dear friend's garden. We didn't cook any of it either! Much to many peoples surprise we are quite alive and well. Most any single doctor would likely define us as extremely healthy. It’s simple, I know the source of the problem. I stay away from contaminates by not consuming Agro-business "food".
>>Not enough $$ for the " real" police, and you think, the gov. is going to fund the Garden Guards ????
Not enough money huh? Sort of like Wal-Mart being understaffed and paying low wages? Is there really a lack of money concern or a reason for the understaffing and underpay (look it up before responding)?
>>Even if they wanted to, it would not be possible, hell they can only put a dent in the pot growers !
Note above recommendations regarding "war on drugs". Also look into the Patriot Act while you are at it (look into it before responding).
>>Add several million illegal Tomato growers to that...duhhhh.
It's called bait and switch. Create a problem, and then offer the solution (at a high price I might add).
I very much so value your points of view Dan, and am sincerely enjoying this discussion. I respect and value you as a person, and the differences we may have are minor. I am not providing links because I could "seed" any data I want you to read. Instead I notated points where you should do your own independent research on stated topics. Cross-check references, find the fine-print. But by all means DO NOT respond with your own opinion or other groups "consensus" without researching. That is what got this country in this position in the first place.
I look forward to your responses and insight.
~X
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Re: H.R. 857: Globalists claim dominion over US food supply
Sat, April 4, 2009 - 6:41 AMThe biggest thing you're missing is that this applies to " facilities" , that is a commercial designation, not applied to home gardeners.
This bill makes no mention of private consumer growing or sales. It is ment and directed toward commercail food producers , Organic or not, NOT the consumer grower.
With the 1st family growing organic on the white house lawn, it would be rather touchy for the Prez. to sign a law forbidding it , ....wouldn't it ??
If there is something in this bill that address the consumer grower, please site it. Again, this bill is directed to the commercial grower ONLY, and should be passed to safe guard the food chain.
As to the Raw wisdom tribe, you should have already checked it out. my and others points have been well covered there. Your logic is based on supposition, guilt by association, rather than what the bill at hand would do. It provides a means to back track contaminated food quickly, something we can not now do.
And AGAIN, it would be IMPOSABLE to enforce these rules on the home grower.
Rather than hop on board the Knee Jerk express, and say " no, no, don't pass this". perhaps you should be saying, " Put wording in there making it clear to all, that this bill is directed to commercial food growers, and handlers ONLY"
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Re: H.R. 857: Globalists claim dominion over US food supply
Mon, May 18, 2009 - 10:26 PMWhen you have enough of the population in such an abject state as many areas of the U.S. are RIGHT NOW, you have a population ripe for mandatory conscription into the legions, these naive barbarians will have no qualms with enforcing such measures without question in exchange for a chance at a "better" life and millitary honors. The spirit of the republic dried up and darkness covered the face of learning. Don't be a fool, that couldn't happen again... -
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Re: H.R. 857: Globalists claim dominion over US food supply
Mon, May 18, 2009 - 10:50 PMYeah there isn't any language separating the big boys from the little ones in the definitions section of the bill. What's the difference between Purdue chicken and the neighboring farm? They are both "establishments" they both exchange food for money, ie are businesses.
On a neighboring island,
This another chip in the dyke. Someone's trying to wipe us off the face of the earth! And all you so-called "successful" people have merrily been led down a figurative dead end, selling out in three generations the land and arts of your forefathers. Your Life is a Symptom of evil magic that you have allowed to dominate your life.
Back to communicating with yall, This bill DOES seem dangerous.
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