As a newcomer here, I thought I would post a theory and see what others had to say about it.
Good evening all, I thought I would post a theory here and see what others had to say about it.
As you may recall from history, the Vikings were great explorers and adventurers. Having developed out of the earlier Goths (or GahTSK), these Norsemen traveled and migrated all over. As the Visigoths or Western Goths, they ransacked the Western Roman Empire and penetrated as far as North Africa. And, as the Ostrogoths or Eastern Goths they moved into the Balkans and then settled in Italy (attempting to reform the early Roman Church). Moreover, the less well known Yugogoths or Southern Goths migrated Eastward and settled along the Silk Road to China, where they eventually founded the Jewish State of Kazaria.
[Scandia Faith (Cross) Shield]However, most interesting of them all, were the Norigoths or as we say GahTSK (literally the Ancient Northern Peoples of God). During the so called Dark Ages, these Peoples came to dominate all of Scandanavia and the Baltic Region, as well as much of the rest of Northern Europe (especially in the Vidfadmi Era). But, as time passed, they split into two groups. The more holy descendants went Eastward, into Russia, where they became the Varangians. And from there, they went farther Eastward to China (and legends even hold that they showed up in Japan, perhaps among the Ainu). The less holy and more Pagan descendants went into Western Europe, as the Vikings, and from there arrived in the New World of America.
So, their track record for exploration, adventuring, and migration is well established. They were a Peoples on the move. And, always in search of greener pastures (or treasures around the next bend of the river). Moreover, the stories and legends of their exploits are still remembered today.
[Historical Literature (Scroll) Shield]However, among all their achievements and discoveries from their travels, the most important one is almost forgotten! Or, simply ignored by the modern sophisticates who scoff and say it could not be done. But then, accounts of other Viking exploits, which were held impossible, have, in fact, turned out to be true! (Witness the old Viking legends that they had discovered America, which we now know to be fact from archaeology.) So, just because it seems incredible, does not mean that it did not happen, for the Vikings accomplished many unbelievable things!
So, what are we talking about here? (You may ask.) Well, it is such a great discovery, that if it is true, then it is more than amazing. It is a fact that we all need to know about! And, I am speaking here of the obscure legend that the Vikings actually discovered a Route to Heaven! Now, at first glance, that may seem totally unbelievable, but let us examine the facts that we can gather, to see if there is any solid basis to this legend.
[Nordesel Unity Shield]Perhaps one of the major mysteries of the Norsemen is their original name of Goths. The word Goth comes from a more primitive term of GuDT, which means God. Thus, the Goths (or pre-Vikings) were the Northern Peoples of God (which is why we call them GahTSK). Now, if their name comes from God, is it possible that they had some knowledge of HIM? I'd say that was obvious! And, if they knew about God and HIS Realm in Heaven, is it really too much to think that they might have known how to get to Heaven to be with HIM? Again, I do not think it is beyond reason. Rather, it seems entirely possible that they could have had some such kind of knowlegde!
So in reading this, Asatru is an actual religion from a Gothic Culture.
What does every one else think?
In Frith;
Loki
Good evening all, I thought I would post a theory here and see what others had to say about it.
As you may recall from history, the Vikings were great explorers and adventurers. Having developed out of the earlier Goths (or GahTSK), these Norsemen traveled and migrated all over. As the Visigoths or Western Goths, they ransacked the Western Roman Empire and penetrated as far as North Africa. And, as the Ostrogoths or Eastern Goths they moved into the Balkans and then settled in Italy (attempting to reform the early Roman Church). Moreover, the less well known Yugogoths or Southern Goths migrated Eastward and settled along the Silk Road to China, where they eventually founded the Jewish State of Kazaria.
[Scandia Faith (Cross) Shield]However, most interesting of them all, were the Norigoths or as we say GahTSK (literally the Ancient Northern Peoples of God). During the so called Dark Ages, these Peoples came to dominate all of Scandanavia and the Baltic Region, as well as much of the rest of Northern Europe (especially in the Vidfadmi Era). But, as time passed, they split into two groups. The more holy descendants went Eastward, into Russia, where they became the Varangians. And from there, they went farther Eastward to China (and legends even hold that they showed up in Japan, perhaps among the Ainu). The less holy and more Pagan descendants went into Western Europe, as the Vikings, and from there arrived in the New World of America.
So, their track record for exploration, adventuring, and migration is well established. They were a Peoples on the move. And, always in search of greener pastures (or treasures around the next bend of the river). Moreover, the stories and legends of their exploits are still remembered today.
[Historical Literature (Scroll) Shield]However, among all their achievements and discoveries from their travels, the most important one is almost forgotten! Or, simply ignored by the modern sophisticates who scoff and say it could not be done. But then, accounts of other Viking exploits, which were held impossible, have, in fact, turned out to be true! (Witness the old Viking legends that they had discovered America, which we now know to be fact from archaeology.) So, just because it seems incredible, does not mean that it did not happen, for the Vikings accomplished many unbelievable things!
So, what are we talking about here? (You may ask.) Well, it is such a great discovery, that if it is true, then it is more than amazing. It is a fact that we all need to know about! And, I am speaking here of the obscure legend that the Vikings actually discovered a Route to Heaven! Now, at first glance, that may seem totally unbelievable, but let us examine the facts that we can gather, to see if there is any solid basis to this legend.
[Nordesel Unity Shield]Perhaps one of the major mysteries of the Norsemen is their original name of Goths. The word Goth comes from a more primitive term of GuDT, which means God. Thus, the Goths (or pre-Vikings) were the Northern Peoples of God (which is why we call them GahTSK). Now, if their name comes from God, is it possible that they had some knowledge of HIM? I'd say that was obvious! And, if they knew about God and HIS Realm in Heaven, is it really too much to think that they might have known how to get to Heaven to be with HIM? Again, I do not think it is beyond reason. Rather, it seems entirely possible that they could have had some such kind of knowlegde!
So in reading this, Asatru is an actual religion from a Gothic Culture.
What does every one else think?
In Frith;
Loki
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Re: Hailsa Fellow Kinsman...
Wed, October 3, 2007 - 3:49 AMYour post has very little to do with Heathenry, right? Heaven? God? Which God? Or are you talking about the Christian God? The Generalist Pagan God (as in God and Goddess)? Just curious where you are coming from, religiously....
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Re: Hailsa Fellow Kinsman...
Wed, October 3, 2007 - 9:49 AMI agree, Ludwig, I'm a little confused too. Loki, could you clarify a bit more?
PS- I believe that alot of cultures have discovered a "route to Heaven", but that also depends on what you mean by Heaven. Do you mean the sky, outer space, or a spiritual realm (where gods, the deceased, and/or other spirits dwell), etc.?
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Re: Hailsa Fellow Kinsman...
Thu, October 4, 2007 - 3:53 AMWell, in Heathenry, I do talk more about Asatru. But, In this post, I tend to mean more about the vikings themselves. Not the religious belief, but the actual tribes.
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Re: Hailsa Fellow Kinsman...
Fri, October 5, 2007 - 6:12 AMBut you post the question of whether the Vikings found a route to "Heaven" and whether they found "God" there? Its an interesting question, but since Heathenry, Asatru, and our unconverted Norse ancestors did not believe in "Heaven" nor a single "God," I'm trying to figure out where you are coming from with your question. Sorry...I'm just unclear and asking for more.
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Re: Hailsa Fellow Kinsman...
Sun, October 14, 2007 - 3:37 PMAfter rereading my original post, I agree with you. I am going to have to look at this again.
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Re: Hailsa Fellow Kinsman...
Sun, October 14, 2007 - 6:47 PMYou are welcome to re-post after you think over what you meant to get across. Sometimes what we mean to say doesn't always get across to other people the way it is intended ;-)
DW
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Re: Hailsa Fellow Kinsman...
Sun, October 14, 2007 - 2:20 AMto just look from the name goths i would say is to simplify a bit too much.
i live near a lake called gusjön in sweden, a translation to that would be "god's lake" and the lake has been know for being a sacrifical lake. in that lake there are findings/offerings from the mesolitic era and up to the viking age, but that hasn't led anyone to think that they would have found one true god (or whichever words one wants to use).
even from an experimental archaeological perspective where sometimes very spaced out theories can pop up very few can trust the names of things and places, it is required to use more sources to support the theories.
and by the way.
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Re: Hailsa Fellow Kinsman...
Sun, October 14, 2007 - 7:14 AMWelcome, Namzu!
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