Why the hate?

topic posted Wed, February 13, 2008 - 12:14 PM by  Eli-Jah
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Listing the term "Pastafarian" which claims to represent a parody religion amoung a list of otherwise genuine religions in everyones profiles on tribe.net is racial and religious discrimination and hate speech. The term "Pastafarian" is a tongue in cheek "pun" that perpetuates the bigoted discrimination and marginalization of Rastafarian people who are members of the serious Rastafarian religion by altering the name of the Rastafarians and the Rastafarian religion in a dimunative manner. Using a mockery of Rastafarian's in the context Tribe does contributes significant momentum to the serious and harmful idea that Rastafarianism is a false religion (not that it is a religion that is not true, But that it is not a religion at all) and contributes to the current persecution of Rastafarians. Something augmented by the fact that Rastafarianism is not listed even though a number of Tribe users are Rastafarians. This can be seen as racist because the common current of racial oppression endured by the people of the racial background of most Rastafarians is can be logically infered to be a contributing factor in the lack of consideration implicit in Tribe giving platform to a mockery of the religion as it did. In other words, Buddhists for example would not have been disrespected and discriminated in the way Rastafarians were because most Buddhist are Asian as opposed to the Rastafarians who are mostly African. Even without elements of racism, The terms listing in tribe profiles is an example of religious discrimination and poor taste. The term should be removed immediately, and Tribe.net should apologize to its users for the mistake.
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Eli-Jah
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  • Re: Why the hate?

    Wed, February 13, 2008 - 2:16 PM
    Lighten up, kiddo.

    All publicity is good publicity, they say.
    • Re: Why the hate?

      Wed, February 13, 2008 - 4:45 PM
      Would I do all this otherwise? Plus it still really is fucked up, And I'm still really am right. There will be beef until its gone, and probably into the indefinate future because of peoples reaction. I mean do you not see how its harmfull? And if you do, Why spend the energy telling me to lighten up instead of telling tribe you agree with me so they'll take it off? Why when the actual name for the religion is Flying Spaghetti Monsterism and its becomes obvious that the term Pastafarian in context is upsetting Rastafarians would people not offer to make the change if it really were all a good natured joke? Seems like sadism to me. And again racist attitudes of false privlege, and what seems like the common narcissism of atheists. I thought tribe was a place that cared about the rights of others and didnt support bigotry. Turns out, as if there was any question, your average Hippiecrite holier than thou new age "enlightened" "Progressive" one's the most backwards of all.
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        Re: Why the hate?

        Wed, February 13, 2008 - 7:43 PM
        US Constitution
        Amendment I
        Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


        Sorry Friend,
        I can't find anything in there about a freedom against being offended or (dare I suggest) freedom from being hated (not that I'm suggesting that anyone actually hates anyone here).

        To paraphrase another: "Thou protest too much, methinks..."
        • Re: Why the hate?

          Wed, February 13, 2008 - 9:20 PM
          >>>>>Sorry Friend,
          I can't find anything in there about a freedom against being offended or (dare I suggest) freedom from being hated (not that I'm suggesting that anyone actually hates anyone here).
          To paraphrase another: "Thou protest too much, methinks..." <<<<

          As for you Rutger(nice germainic or is it nordic name, cant help but notice the prevalence of in my dealings with the "pastafarians")
          It may be true that in America you can go around saying that "Jews drink little white kids blood and Niggers are animals" and stay out of jail. That doesnt make any of it right though. Your only questions seems to be is it legal, not if its "kosher". It would seem on a "social networking site" people would show a little more culture. But Hey what do I Know?
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            Re: Why the hate?

            Wed, February 13, 2008 - 9:37 PM
            I'd really like to see the rough draft of your legal argument.
            In fact, I'm not posting anything in response until I see an
            adequate formulation of these issues, either under the
            recognized constitutional law of USA, or under international
            definitions of hate speech as regards religion, the internet,
            the bill of rights, so on. I would highly recommend that no one
            else respond either, which would force Eli-Jah to create some of
            his own sockpuppets to talk to, in order to continue bringing
            this issue to light to the people of tribe at large. And since I am
            basically the last one to discuss this issue with you at any length,
            I have faith that I can look forward to some very awkward, uninteresting
            conversations between you and your future respondents here on tribe.

            Good Luck to you, Sir. If there is any further thing I can do for you, please
            feel free to contact me via PM.
            • Re: Why the hate?

              Wed, February 13, 2008 - 10:17 PM
              Like I said I dont think there's much of a legal case on Earth at present. I did not say that the term represents hate speech as defined by international courts. Again if your only concern is whether the listing is "legal" or not, then your a classless dustball. Some network of society you represent, Why not just rename tribe, "Juden raus"? It probably be "legal". Even still there are courts u know nothing about. I and I know justice will be served. I like the acknowledgment that u are a sockpuppet though. I figure if you just keep at it the truth comes out eventually.
            • Re: Why the hate?

              Thu, February 14, 2008 - 1:51 PM
              Just a follow up. You pretending to "wish me luck" and offer to help is so disgusting. You obviously don't want to help. Even though you did tell me your going to "work on it". Your "looking foward" to "awkward conversations" just like the rest of you sadist bullies. Of course that in all your "intelligence and wealth" you can't stop picking on people minding their own business is truly flattering.
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        Re: Why the hate?

        Wed, February 13, 2008 - 7:53 PM
        Why expect anyone to agree with you when you're so confrontational?
        Where to put the bandaid, for chrissakes! If you're right, why do people
        and ideas not bow to you?

        Questions(I don't want to create another alt to find out):

        How many options are available?
        How many religions exist in the world?
        Who created the pun? Who put it as an option?
        The guy creating the pun(outside tribe); did he mean disrespect?
        Ditto here.
        Is a pun, even if employed in a non-satirical manner, damaging to
        the object which it puns? Perhaps a better pun should be traded
        out for the one that affects you and your religion. I'll get to work on it.

        Lastly, aren't you more mad that, out of theist religions available,
        yours is the one that is being punned, almost haphazardly due
        to the nature of spontaneous humor generation, and not another
        specific religion, because it implicates your religion in mocking
        and not totally submiting to the god in question?

        Mega-Lastly, what if a pun could be found that didn't rely upon
        lambasting any known religion which could take offence. What
        would you do then? For it seems the fact remains, that punning
        god of any social circle treads on someone's, or some group's,
        right to tradmark, nay typecast, god.
        • Re: Why the hate?

          Wed, February 13, 2008 - 9:03 PM
          First of all I dont think that my demeanor in objection should really be a factor as to whether its appropriate for tribe to list pastafarian in profiles. Of course I recognized that if I had approched the issue in a more let say "submissive" manner that we likely wouldn't still be talking about. I however felt since it was tribe to begin with that clearly publically insulted my very small and already marginalized religion and perpetrated discriminatory persection and hate speech against my people that I was entitled to be outraged and to display it. Why even though I am right do people not conceed it, is not something thats very hard to imagine and I would think that you would be more intelligent than to ask such a question, but my answer would be because most people are so loath to admit in their much boasted of "respect for equality" and other such human rights they have persecuted people likely out of unconscious racism and an aversion to the recognition of the existence of Rastafarianism itself. You dont have to create another alt to investigate if you just try to edit your existing profile. My primary concern is Rastafarianism vulnerablity due to its small and already belittled status as a recognized religion to begin with. Yes I believe that a pun even if employed and perhaps especially if employed in a non satrical manner can be harmfull to the object punned. Who created it and who put it as an option is to me inconsequntial. I have heard that it was a matter of public decision but object nonetheless, and also that the former owners of tribe were closely involved in the FSM people. There is evidence to demonstrate the existence of the term pastafarian and its relation to Rastafarians well before the "invention" of the FSM and I really feel as though the term is indefensable, So asking How many religions in the world there are seem like an immature way to avoid taking responsiblity for the mistake that was made. Yes perhaps a better pun that doesnt discriminate against people and promote unjust hatred should be traded in indeed. Too bad you hadn't started working on that sooner instead of trying to insult me with your pettiness. I am not mad about any of this. If for example it had been Chrisitanity that was singularly punned beside otherwise authentic identifications (and though it would not have been becasue of the recognition it recieves and the reaction is would have created) I would still feel it inappropriate but would perhaps not have mentioned it becasue of the size of Christianity in comparison to the disciminatory reality of a bigoted mockery on tribe.net profiles. Rastafarian's however as I've said are posed a serious enough threat by the listing for me to object. My objection however would still as currently have no theistic implication. Whether or not a religion "took offense" is not really the question that I am asking myself but rather, would or could the listing cause actual harm to an indvidual becasue of their religious affilation. So that if you do decide to pun Buddhists but I feel that the listing is signifiacntly harmful enough to Buddhists then I might perhaps say something though I am not Budhist per say. I would want you to more closely define "take offense" because I certainly dont "take offense" to any of this in any emotional sense, But that the listing is an offense of the human rights and dignity that I defend Yes it is an offense, Do I "take it" personally other than knowing that imitation can be the highest honor? Don't flatter yourselves.
      • Re: Why the hate?

        Thu, October 1, 2009 - 1:09 PM
        Well you're wrong because most of us are sophisticated enough to distinguish between ridiculing religion and ridiculing a people. If we make fun of Judaism it doesn' t make us antisemitic. If we ridicule Catholicism we aren't' hating Italians either. I'm sure the other religions feel the same as the Rastafarians but can't get no sympathy. Don't buy this one either. It is their religion we're lampooning not them.
        • Re: Why the hate?

          Fri, October 2, 2009 - 4:06 PM
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          • Re: Why the hate?

            Sat, October 3, 2009 - 4:11 AM
            <<It is their religion we're lampooning not them. >>

            Thats a pathetic attempt to dismiss the damage you cause to individuals in the name of your ignorance pretending to humor.
            • Re: Why the hate?

              Fri, October 9, 2009 - 7:26 PM
              It isn't pathetic, it is accurate. I'm not responsible for them or their problem of being incapable of separating their religion from their racial or cultural identity. It is their belief system that is pathetic.
              • Re: Why the hate?

                Tue, October 13, 2009 - 8:48 AM
                incapable of separating their religion from their racial or cultural identity.


                Were that the problem or were it relevant it would still be less pathetic than someone who is incapable of seperating someones religious sensabilities from racial and cultural discrimination. Of course as I said, patheticness like the FSMists defamation of Rastafarians is viewed on a personal level amounst the community as nothing more than low order flattery which only just grows with assumptions that it would ever be regarded as more.
                • Re: Why the hate?

                  Tue, October 13, 2009 - 1:18 PM
                  Eli-Jah, you're just wrong and calling people pathetic doesn't make your case. There is no racial or cultural discrimination, only a pun on a word, used in the context of satirizing religion. It is nothing more. Again I say, why not rile against those who DO defile Rastafarians, the people making fun of them for smoking ganja.


                  >> someone who is incapable of seperating someones religious sensabilities from racial and cultural discrimination <<

                  First, I'm not engaging in racial or cultural discrimination, you have failed to make that case. Second, I am capable of separating religion from culture and race. I think you are not.


                  BTW "patheticness" is not a word.
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                    Re: Why the hate?

                    Wed, October 14, 2009 - 3:32 AM
                    Tell yourself what you need to to mask your racial and religious insecurities. Your hatred is Rastafarians supreme justification and a definitive revelation as to the fundamentally flawed, ignorant, foundation of virulent atheism. Lest the groundwork for the tribe.net and new age american spiritualist culture not be seen for the white supremacist nazism it is. Somethings indeed never change. Everywhere Rasta Go Them a Follow with the same jealous spirit, Slandering and mocking with their fingers in their ears. Yet for this I and I remain grateful. Light never shines like against the darkness of denial. JAH! Ras Tafari!
                    • Re: Why the hate?

                      Wed, October 14, 2009 - 12:44 PM
                      >> Your hatred is Rastafarians supreme justification and a definitive revelation as to the fundamentally flawed, ignorant, foundation of virulent atheism. <<

                      Well more name calling with no content or justification. Another accusation of hatred where there is none.
                      Calgon are you active? I suggest we pull the plug on this troll.

                      The only hate in this thread is coming from Eli-Jah.

                      It is ironic that most Pastafarians have high regard for Rastafarians and only dislike their religion, not other aspects of their culture, but Eli-Jah can't see that.
                      • Re: Why the hate?

                        Wed, October 14, 2009 - 7:33 PM
                        It's interesting that my original posts of
                        July 25th and 29th remain exactly valid
                        now, I could write them today and they would
                        be just as relevant -
                        posts, BTW; to which EJ never directly responded
                        to in any sensical manner.
                        My advice to EJ remains identical from july 25:
                        Develop a callous or two
                        Lighten Up
                        Notify Tribe corporate
                        Drop the issue
                        EJ seems reluctant to do even one of these,
                        which brings up my post of july 29th.
                        • Re: Why the hate?

                          Thu, October 15, 2009 - 12:43 PM
                          "most Pastafarians have high regard for Rastafarians"

                          Only EXTREME STUPIDITY does not see the contradiction in that statement.
                          • Re: Why the hate?

                            Thu, October 15, 2009 - 10:12 PM
                            Yeah, you look very intelligent by making meaningless insults using all caps. It isn't a contradiction. You can't speak for Pastafarians or what they believe, you can't know if they hold Rastafarians in high regard or not. Quit wasting bandwidth, you're not impressing anyone, much less convincing anyone of your opinion.
                            • Re: Why the hate?

                              Fri, October 16, 2009 - 12:01 AM
                              People irreversibly identify themselves as ****Racist and Defamatory to Rastafarians**** by adopting the title "Pastafarian" alone!
                              • Re: Why the hate?

                                Fri, October 16, 2009 - 7:49 AM
                                For the last time it is not racist, it is just a simple pun. You taking it as racist doesn't make it so. There is no hate involved. You ignore our arguments that undermine your foolish idea. For example, we make puns and jokes about other religions, Rastafarians are not singled out. The context is religion, not race or culture. I think you're hyper-sensitive about Rastafarians and not rational much less reasonable.

                                I'm done wasting time with this.

                                Good day Sir.
                                • Re: Why the hate?

                                  Fri, October 16, 2009 - 12:37 PM
                                  Just as you not intending for it to be or understanding how it is racist make it not so. Ignorance of the inseperable intricacies of religion, race, and culture based on someones decision to lead the southpark variety of the examined life simply isn't my responsibility.
                                  • Re: Why the hate?

                                    Fri, October 16, 2009 - 1:18 PM
                                    No, in fact Rastafarians are not a race. It is a culture based in part on a religion. One cannot be racist by ridiculing a religion. You can be as upset as you like an shout insults in all caps, but it still isn't racism. It is just a pun on the name of a religion. No different than saying "Kristians" instead of Christians. That you feel so strongly that it is more, only displays your emotional hang ups. Maybe you should look into why that simple pun bothers you so much.
                                    • Re: Why the hate?

                                      Fri, October 16, 2009 - 1:40 PM
                                      You are simply incapable of adressing the inseperability of certain religions from the concept of race. Or course I need only prove that Rastafarian Religion carries with it **a perception of race**, which for those not suffering from EXTREME STUPIDITY is not so hard a task.
                                      • Re: Why the hate?

                                        Fri, October 16, 2009 - 1:52 PM
                                        Because they are separate, you are the one that is incapable of understanding. Race is a biological phenomenon. Religion is a system of belief. They not only are separate, they can't be mixed. Calling me stupid does not make your case.
                                        • Re: Why the hate?

                                          Fri, October 16, 2009 - 2:12 PM
                                          Some Religious Beliefs are based on Biological Phenomenon and are therefore inseperable from them. Regardless, As I said, My case doesn't rest upon Rastafarians incorporation of this phenomenon though it could. The only person in this exchange who is "calling people" something is you when you refer to me as a "troll" in your escapist effort to avoid your complicity in the racist bigotry born of your inferiority complex.
                                          • Re: Why the hate?

                                            Fri, October 16, 2009 - 6:22 PM
                                            >>Some Religious Beliefs are based on Biological Phenomenon and are therefore inseperable from them.

                                            That is bullshit. The biology is completely separate from crazy religious beliefs. It is quite common for people to believe their group or race are the "chosen ones," but those are religious beliefs and not biology, they are just religious delusions based on race. Someone could believe that their race is preferred by god (many people do believe that) but they can't all be the chosen ones. It must be a delusion. That the religious belief involves a belief about race does not make it inseparable from biology. The biology remains after the belief changes, because belief is a phenomenon of the mind, the biology is a phenomenon of genetics. The whole point of biology based discrimination being reviled as racism is because people can't change their genetics, but they can change their beliefs. And beliefs of all sort, political and religious, must be open to discussion and must be subject to change. That is why it is fair, in deed important, to ridicule beliefs when they are wrong.

                                            >> The only person in this exchange who is "calling people" something is you when you refer to me as a "troll" in your escapist effort to avoid your complicity in the racist bigotry born of your inferiority complex. <<

                                            Again, bullshit. You have repeatedly called me stupid, ignorant, a hater, and a racist because I disagree with you. This is in spite of the fact that you cannot counter my arguments. The term "Pastafarian" is nothing more than a friendly joke, a play on words, a pun expressed in the context of ridiculing religion. You have failed to make the case that is is "hate" or that anyone is ignorant. Rastafarians are not a race, they are a group of people with a set of political and religious beliefs, and a rich cultural heritage. It is not their race or culture being ridiculed, only the religion. You can't accept that, but it is true.
                                            • Re: Why the hate?

                                              Sat, October 17, 2009 - 2:37 AM
                                              What ever your view of the particular religious beliefs are, that they are based on biology can give your attack on them a racist capacity. Of course the fact that the Pastafarian puns racism rely's only on the implication of race the term Rastafarian carries is beyond your understanding and thus goes unadressed in favor of an issue thats both irrelevant and engaged as an intentional distraction from the reality of FSMists and tribe.net's racist bigotry and malice in the slander of Rastafarians.
                                              "You have repeatedly called me ...." Give one example.
                                              • Re: Why the hate?

                                                Sat, October 17, 2009 - 2:49 AM
                                                This "mockery" is just the weakness and pain your consciences feel in the face of religion trying to hurt someone else so as to not feel alone in your agony.
                                                • Re: Why the hate?

                                                  Sat, October 17, 2009 - 5:37 AM
                                                  That the souless would envy the capability for true experience and lash out in its limited way is quite understandable.
                                                  • Re: Why the hate?

                                                    Sat, October 17, 2009 - 10:58 AM
                                                    >> That the souless would envy the capability for true experience and lash out in its limited way is quite understandable. <<

                                                    A good example of the absurd beliefs of religious people and why religion needs to be satirized. You delude yourself that you have "true experience" and other do not. You can't possible know that. You project thoughts and feelings onto others simply on the basis that they do not believe your religion. You say they are "soulless" and have envy. All wrong. All people are pretty much the same and experience life with true experience without regard to religious beliefs.
                                                • Re: Why the hate?

                                                  Sat, October 17, 2009 - 10:52 AM

                                                  >> This "mockery" is just the weakness and pain your consciences feel in the face of religion trying to hurt someone else so as to not feel alone in your agony. <<

                                                  I have no agony. Don't project onto others. I'm not trying to hurt anyone either, but when something is stupid (and we believe all religion is stupid, including yours) it should be satirized. No apologies necessary.
                                                  Grow up.
                                              • Re: Why the hate?

                                                Sat, October 17, 2009 - 10:42 AM
                                                >>that they are based on biology can give your attack on them a racist capacity. <<

                                                Oh, so now it only "can" possibly give it a "capacity," rather than as you said before, in rather absolute terms, that to make a simple pun on the name of your religion is hateful racism. Maybe you're starting to recognize that you've been wrong? That criticizing a religious belief is not criticizing a race, even if the religion has ideas about race as part of its beliefs. You know, there are many millions of persons of African decent who do not believe in your religion either. Are they racist too?

                                                You're just wrong dude. Making a pun on the name of your religion is not racist. You can't play the race card to deflect criticism of your religion. As I said before, we make fun of all religions. We criticize Judaism, but do not hate Jews and are not anti-Semitic. I think the Pope is just another person, but don't hate Italians. (Is the Pope Italian... who cares, that's the point).

                                                >> "You have repeatedly called me ...." Give one example. <<

                                                Sat, October 3, 2009 - 4:11 AM
                                                "your ignorance "

                                                Thu, October 15, 2009 - 12:43 PM
                                                "Only EXTREME STUPIDITY does not see the contradiction in that statement." (response to me)

                                                Fri, October 16, 12:01 AM
                                                "People irreversibly identify themselves as ****Racist and Defamatory to Rastafarians**** by adopting the title "Pastafarian" alone! "
                                                • Re: Why the hate?

                                                  Sun, October 18, 2009 - 12:00 AM
                                                  "You project thoughts and feelings onto others ..."

                                                  I'm just defending myself from the projections of Pastafarianism.

                                                  "All people experience life with true experience"

                                                  Yet according to your logic this is something that can't be known.

                                                  "we believe all religion is stupid...Grow up"

                                                  Somethings need no auxiliary satire.

                                                  "criticizing a religious belief is not criticizing a race"

                                                  Not necessarliy, as we see, its often both.











                                                  • Re: Why the hate?

                                                    Sun, October 18, 2009 - 1:12 AM
                                                    >> "You project thoughts and feelings onto others ..."
                                                    I'm just defending myself from the projections of Pastafarianism. <<

                                                    You didn't defend anything, you just called people names out of anger, and made a big deal out of a simple pun.

                                                    >> Yet according to your logic this is something that can't be known.

                                                    Thanks for repeating my point. You were the one to claim otherwise. I believe that if there is such a thing as "true experience," then all people have true experience. You can believe your religion gives you the only "true experience" if you have some need to feel special. But don't expect others to buy into your religion being special, or that it is the way to "true experience."

                                                    >> "criticizing a religious belief is not criticizing a race"
                                                    Not necessarliy, as we see, its often both. <<

                                                    No it is not. You still have failed to support the idea that ridiculing your religion is criticizing your race. Religion does need satire because it makes people irrational, and I think you've made my point for me.
                                                    • Re: Why the hate?

                                                      Sun, October 18, 2009 - 5:06 AM
                                                      "You didn't defend anything"
                                                      I'll suffice with the judges ruling thanks.
                                                      "you just called people names"
                                                      Just because a hat fits doesnt mean it has your name stitched in.
                                                      "But don't expect others to buy into your religion "
                                                      Jah Forbid! Where then would my feet rest?
                                                      "You still have failed to support the idea that ridiculing your religion is criticizing your race."
                                                      Show where I have expounded the idea and I will conceed that. Otherwise have it stand as additional slander.
                                                    • Re: Why the hate?

                                                      Sun, October 18, 2009 - 7:16 AM
                                                      "out of anger"?

                                                      G-d smiles upon the destruction of the diseased mind that would trespass His Sovereignty. Should we not join H.I.M?
  • Re: Why the hate?

    Sat, July 25, 2009 - 10:56 AM
    i find it obvious that the term <<pastafarian>> has targetted a certain group
    i also percieve or rather <<grok>> as an active CAW member that those being joked at
    are those who least reflect the deeper inner sincere goals of the rastas

    and who rather reflect...a sertain superphishial way of pretending at jah+ras sincerity


    also }trustafarian} but that must have been percieved by the original poster


    i was banned from godlikeproductions. if you also were banned from that once effective site i{d chat with you about aliens, "Bob" or the conspiracy robert anton wilson will never be forgotten.

    the FAKE rastas were being mocked
    and prolly by those who respect and admire the TRUE rastas.

    but as imitation is the sincerest form of flattery
    i accept the feedback (slight>) in pisces and doktor howll hour of slack competition}


    i begrudge them neither pasta nor frop. extra salt! a voice in the electronic cyberstorm seems to whale.







    ....and the <whalers>
    • Re: Why the hate?

      Sat, July 25, 2009 - 11:28 PM
      Eli-jah;
      First off, I think it's important to separate facts from
      assumptions.
      "Pastafarian" was NOT created at tribe - it goes along with
      the whole schtick of FSM.
      So, AT WORST, the people on tribe involved with FSM
      did no more than transfer the word to tribe. They did NOT
      invent it here.
      In all of your posts you portray Rastas as victims -
      that may, in fact, be the case in some parts of the world -
      you claim to be from panama - that may in fact, be the case.
      Here, the Rastas that I have met, worked with and dealt with here -
      they do not behave as an oppressed minority - they allow their
      true brilliance to show in all of it's varied flavors.
      Sure, they may get grief from the C-O-P-PIGS; but that's not new, and here,
      even a college degree white male can be abused and harrassed by the
      police. I KNOW, It's happened to me more than once, and I have the
      PTSD and destroyed property to prove it.
      Something else about Rastas I know here - they tend to be loving,
      layed-back, open-minded people- people who can appreciate a good laugh.

      Are Rastas so insecure that they cannot take a single, not even
      specifically aimed at them - joke?
      If they are, then it will not be a single joke that brings the Rastas down,
      nor even the PIGS - it will be their own insecurity and lack of backbone.

      I'm trying to be compassionate towards you - maybe where you are,
      things ARE as you portray them. But that's where YOU are.
      Tribe has about 50,000 current users, and of those, probably
      about 3,000 who actually log in a couple times a week.
      Tribe is a diverse place. When I first got here, I signed up for
      alot of tribes that sounded intreguing or interesting...
      I've left over a dozen tribes because I'm not a toddler, and I don't
      need to deal with grown men who act like 5th grade boys,
      constantly swearing and trying to abuse one another
      in an endless quest for dominance. I'm not a gorilla anymore,
      I don't hang out with the apes.
      you have a valid point, but the passion and fire you exhibit
      about it is disproportionate.
      You say that you "do not take it personally"...
      but you've written like 8 LONG, passionate posts,
      that discount this claim.
      Either this is something that has "stuck in your craw"
      for some reason, and you feel the need to fight about it
      passionately, or you're a troll who is trying to insight ...
      well, to do what trolls do. If you want to troll, there
      are specific tribes for that, and you should go there instead
      (or maybe that's why you're here, you can't take it
      in the tribes with the big boys)

      I will close with what my counselor once told me:
      (paraphrased)
      in a free society, people "bump up against one another",
      and this is not always a pleasent experience,
      but maintaining oneself after such an experience is important,
      because if you always over-react to every bump and slight,
      you'll be a hyper-active pinball, and you will never know peace.
      People offend each other, (often unintentionally) ALL the time -
      gang members have not learned how to act maturely when this happens,
      that's why they shoot people who have offended them.
      When someone offends you, keep things in perspective,
      remember you have value as a person, even if the other does not see that
      in you; try to consider they may have not intended disrespect;
      and focus on more important things.

      If you feel so strongly, report it to tribe corporate, and drop the issue.
      Otherwise, realize it's a joke - not even specifcally aimed at Rastas,
      and develop a callous or two like the rest of the people in the world.
      If it offends you *SO* strongly, then leave this tribe. That's what I have
      done in more than one instance where I felt the abuse to intelligent discourse
      ratio was skewed.
      • Re: Why the hate?

        Wed, July 29, 2009 - 3:36 AM
        Yes this "calling out" of the "fake rastas" with the term Pastafarian, if that were the logic, would only further perpetuate Racial segregation due to its roots as a slur of light skinned Rastafarians. In fact one reason the term has been so adopted by this "white" community is actually based on the insecurity they feel at this "white rastafarian" phenomenon which was the source of any impetus to check "disingenous rastas" and providing even more reasons why the listing is not a joke.
        • Re: Why the hate?

          Wed, July 29, 2009 - 8:17 AM
          The goal of the FSM movement to limit the civil power of genuine religious belief contradicts this idea that the term is being used to 'satire people superficially pretended to Rasta'. Ironically, the assumed capability to effectively execute such a parody is a function of the exact pretension it claims to observe.
          • Re: Why the hate?

            Wed, July 29, 2009 - 8:35 AM
            Both of how Civil society and Religion coexist, And of who is Rastafari. Hypocrites!
            • Re: Why the hate?

              Wed, July 29, 2009 - 6:27 PM
              • Re: Why the hate?

                Thu, July 30, 2009 - 1:48 AM
                Add this is by far a small joke. Luckily most respectable flying spagetti monsterists have had sense enough not to represent themselves with such mean spirited slurring.
                • Re: Why the incitement?

                  Thu, July 30, 2009 - 9:05 AM
                  Incite? Thats what Pastafarians are about.
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.

                    Re: Why the incitement?

                    Thu, September 17, 2009 - 3:42 PM
                    Yes, The reason why it has not been removed and was even added in the first place is ANTI RELIGIOUS SADISTIC FACISM. *The primary intention was to malign and marginalize Rastafarian and other Religious People!* This happens because of resentment and the same old oppressive force that used to hide under religion. The reaction to my request for its removal is a clear cut case of how hate uses strength in numbers to simply divert the exposition of the truth to vampire another moment of existance off the blood of human ignorance. But I guess when ones already burning in a g-dless hell theres nothing to lose.
                    • Re: Why the incitement?

                      Fri, September 18, 2009 - 12:48 AM
                      you have a valid point, but the passion and fire you exhibit
                      about it is disproportionate



                      And here is the essense of white privilage. Even though it knows its actions are wrong, in order to tarry its demise, it insists on an immaterial respect for its cultural boundaries the likes of which in others it literally murdered to have the power to ask such a thing. Think your in Heaven but your living in Hell!
  • Re: Why the hate?

    Thu, October 1, 2009 - 1:17 PM
    Also, it is nothing more than a pun on the word pasta. Nobody sees it as more than that except some hypersensitive religious nuts. Sorry, but that's what it is, and it only ridicules the religion not the people. There are lots of jokes made about Rastafarians and their use of ganja, maybe you should focus on that ridicule because that IS aimed at the people and not their beliefs.
  • Re: Why the hate?

    Sat, October 10, 2009 - 10:45 AM
    I dont hate anyone ,but I pray that all will find a realationship with yeshua(jesus).sin and the work of the evil one and those that
    are decieved by him.but I am sure his love will change this whole picture.doc

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