Today all Moderators of "Mature Tribes" recieved an e-mail from "Wade" VP of Marketing for Tribe. He was informing all users that there would no longer be a Mature designation for tribes.
In addition users with profiles marked as "Mature" were informed that their accounts were being modified.
In addition they are deleting all users under the age of 18, which seems pointless if you are removing all mature content.
Rather than Tribe going the route of City Lights bookstore in San Francisco (which fought a landmark first amendment case to be able to publish Allen Ginsberg's then deemed obscene poem "Howl") they are going the route of the cowardly Ford which caved to the American Family Association (AFA.)
Hi,
We wanted to drop a note to everybody who currently moderates a “Mature” tribe, because of these important changes coming up on December 20th:
1) We’re implementing Community Flagging. To ensure that all posts are respectful, and to respond to concerns from our users about some of the content on the site being offensive, we’re going to allow members to flag content (photos and listings) for removal. In our judgment, it’s likely that at least some of the photos in the Mature tribe(s) you currently moderate will be flagged for removal by other tribe.net members.
2) We’re updating our Terms of Use (“TOU”). This update is to reflect changes in the legal environment facing us and our members. In particular, posting content that portrays obscenity, pornography, or sexually explicit conduct is for practical purposes illegal for members like ours under U.S. federal law. So it will be prohibited in our TOU, and we will drop the “Mature” designation from your tribe and sitewide.
3) If your tribe currently has “public” status, we’ll be switching it to “private” status on 12/20. This means that only invited members will be able to see any content in it, and any links to content inside the tribe will only work if the user is already a member of your tribe. It also means your tribe will not appear in search results. We’re making the switch for you to give you time to remove all the content that’s in violation of the new TOU. (As a moderator, you will always have the option down the road of switching the status back to public).
What to do now: we suggest you remove all photos that you think are likely to be considered in violation of the new TOU. When you’re done with that, and only then, go to the Manage Tribe page and change the Mature category for your tribe from Mature to whatever seems most appropriate. Doing this now may save you a lot of work down the road, but it is only an option to you before 12/20.
Tribe will always depend on great moderators for remaining a great service, and so we’re grateful for your help as we all go through these changes. If you have questions, we’ll be discussing this online at moderators.tribe.net and tribeideas.tribe.net
Thanks,
Wade Lagrone
VP Marketing, Tribe.net
www.tribe.net/template/pub%2CAbout.vm
P.S. If you have so many photos to remove that it’s a big chore, let us know and we’ll figure out a way to help.
In addition users with profiles marked as "Mature" were informed that their accounts were being modified.
In addition they are deleting all users under the age of 18, which seems pointless if you are removing all mature content.
Rather than Tribe going the route of City Lights bookstore in San Francisco (which fought a landmark first amendment case to be able to publish Allen Ginsberg's then deemed obscene poem "Howl") they are going the route of the cowardly Ford which caved to the American Family Association (AFA.)
Hi,
We wanted to drop a note to everybody who currently moderates a “Mature” tribe, because of these important changes coming up on December 20th:
1) We’re implementing Community Flagging. To ensure that all posts are respectful, and to respond to concerns from our users about some of the content on the site being offensive, we’re going to allow members to flag content (photos and listings) for removal. In our judgment, it’s likely that at least some of the photos in the Mature tribe(s) you currently moderate will be flagged for removal by other tribe.net members.
2) We’re updating our Terms of Use (“TOU”). This update is to reflect changes in the legal environment facing us and our members. In particular, posting content that portrays obscenity, pornography, or sexually explicit conduct is for practical purposes illegal for members like ours under U.S. federal law. So it will be prohibited in our TOU, and we will drop the “Mature” designation from your tribe and sitewide.
3) If your tribe currently has “public” status, we’ll be switching it to “private” status on 12/20. This means that only invited members will be able to see any content in it, and any links to content inside the tribe will only work if the user is already a member of your tribe. It also means your tribe will not appear in search results. We’re making the switch for you to give you time to remove all the content that’s in violation of the new TOU. (As a moderator, you will always have the option down the road of switching the status back to public).
What to do now: we suggest you remove all photos that you think are likely to be considered in violation of the new TOU. When you’re done with that, and only then, go to the Manage Tribe page and change the Mature category for your tribe from Mature to whatever seems most appropriate. Doing this now may save you a lot of work down the road, but it is only an option to you before 12/20.
Tribe will always depend on great moderators for remaining a great service, and so we’re grateful for your help as we all go through these changes. If you have questions, we’ll be discussing this online at moderators.tribe.net and tribeideas.tribe.net
Thanks,
Wade Lagrone
VP Marketing, Tribe.net
www.tribe.net/template/pub%2CAbout.vm
P.S. If you have so many photos to remove that it’s a big chore, let us know and we’ll figure out a way to help.
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12/07So...any ideas where we can take this party to? -
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12/07no idea where we can move this to, yahoo maybe they seem to be easing back on their censorship.
They (Tribe) are idiots, they are cutting their own throats, if they really censor as heavily as they are suggesting no one will bother staying here. -
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12/07Exactly! There are a lot of pissed off people right now, including myself. I've been cutting and pasting that email just about everywhere I possibly can. I suggest you guys do the same! -
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12/07I feel like I am living in a virtual police state already. Maybe its time I just delete myself from tribe. Now it's become too much work too to figure what is considered pornographic or not. I got that email too about my profile. I thought it was, uh, "art". -
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12/07Do you still have that email? Copy and paste it all over the place. Blog it. I did. Check out the Burning Man tribe thread on it. It's fucking funny! -
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12/07They sent it to everyone. They're also concerned about pictures, I don't think there is anything in this tribe that they can object to.
I suspect it won't be as bad as we are assuming. There have been some legal liability issues they've been dealing with, I'm sure they are just covering their asses. -
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12/07Here's to the attempt at optimism toward the Bush Administration. Lol.
Hey, Shawn.
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12/07Simon,
I agree with you -- they're acting like idiots. I've been learning about Tribe for the last few weeks and IMO one of the greatest advantages it has over Yahoo is the nice way they've integrated photos and graphic images into the natural flow of things. In Yahoo it's always clicks and clicks away, poorly organized, and a general hassle to deal with. So I thought this was great. Add to that the freedom to post whatever you want and geez, this is a rockin' place.
So censoring the photos is about the worst single thing they could do. I don't understand -- but I guess that's why I'm not making the big bucks.
So where WILL this group go? Simon -- I see you in most of the groups I belong to. Is Yahoo really an option?
Regards to all,
Fred
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12/08Please, let's all try not to panic and just see what happens.
First of all, there are no photos in this tribes album that qualify as 'obscene' or 'mature'. I've changed the category from 'mature' to 'health and wellness'.
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12/08Our hero.
BTW, all of the bitching I was doing on the Burning Man tribe yesterday got deleted overnight...
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