Hmmm...I was seriously considering submitting an article I'm writing about homophobia in contemporary Witchcraft to a "mainstream" Gay men's magazine. However, I'm having second thoughts, because even a cursory thumb-through shows that they are blantantly superficial, covering nothing in depth, I fear! Why, the only publication that I have found that publishes anything of substence is our own local GLBT newspaper, "ACCESSLine"--hell, even the GLBT rags from oither states that I've seen for free at, say, Borders are just as damned superficial! It all makes you wonder why they bother? (Although, the new Ed. in Chief for "Out" is really hot; as is the CEO for BRAVO!)
Anyone got any thoughts about this? I'd be shocked if the folks behind "Instinct" mag. didn't displace their current Editors the moment they turned 30! LOL...
Personally, I'd love to see every GLBT rag devote a collumn to Gay Spirituality in its many forms, at the very lears! But, have you guys heard that in the Oct. issue of Genre, they printed a cover story allegedly following around a sexy "Gay" couple who were, for all intents and purposes, "married", with skags of documentary photos? Well, apparently the two men were models that were hired to pose for staged photo--moreover, they were STRAIGHT! They couldn't even hire gay models? Though, I'm mostly offended by the fact that they actually inventd a non-existent cover story! Sadly, my main resource for GLBT News didn't cover this, so far as I know (I found out, recently, from a little-known site that I can't remember rght now; though I bookmarked it): http://365Gay.Com
So-called "mainstream" Gay men's magazines are actually like a 100-page commercial for clothes, cologne, jewelry and skin-care Product! I can remember about 5 years back reading a moving article in Genre, I believe it was, about kids who were in hiding for the authorities, their families, and osychiatric institutions--apparently, their families had forced them into Psychiatric Hospitals when they had found out that they were gay, and were putting them through all manner of proceedures to try and change them; so, now they are in safe houses! (I always wanted to know more about this issue, and am surprised that no one'swritten a book about it! Heck, I always wanted to read a follow-up.) But, Genre doesn't publish stories like this anymore--they haven't for a long time; just look at how superficial their site's even become!
Take Care,
Wade
http://MacMorrighan.CovenSpace.Com
Anyone got any thoughts about this? I'd be shocked if the folks behind "Instinct" mag. didn't displace their current Editors the moment they turned 30! LOL...
Personally, I'd love to see every GLBT rag devote a collumn to Gay Spirituality in its many forms, at the very lears! But, have you guys heard that in the Oct. issue of Genre, they printed a cover story allegedly following around a sexy "Gay" couple who were, for all intents and purposes, "married", with skags of documentary photos? Well, apparently the two men were models that were hired to pose for staged photo--moreover, they were STRAIGHT! They couldn't even hire gay models? Though, I'm mostly offended by the fact that they actually inventd a non-existent cover story! Sadly, my main resource for GLBT News didn't cover this, so far as I know (I found out, recently, from a little-known site that I can't remember rght now; though I bookmarked it): http://365Gay.Com
So-called "mainstream" Gay men's magazines are actually like a 100-page commercial for clothes, cologne, jewelry and skin-care Product! I can remember about 5 years back reading a moving article in Genre, I believe it was, about kids who were in hiding for the authorities, their families, and osychiatric institutions--apparently, their families had forced them into Psychiatric Hospitals when they had found out that they were gay, and were putting them through all manner of proceedures to try and change them; so, now they are in safe houses! (I always wanted to know more about this issue, and am surprised that no one'swritten a book about it! Heck, I always wanted to read a follow-up.) But, Genre doesn't publish stories like this anymore--they haven't for a long time; just look at how superficial their site's even become!
Take Care,
Wade
http://MacMorrighan.CovenSpace.Com
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Re: Superficial Gay Rags?!?!
Mon, December 17, 2007 - 2:44 PMIs it really necessary to write an article about homophobia in contemporary witchcraft??? Seems very ironic to me.....if you are involved in witchcraft or wicca then by the very nature of The Rede, homophobia should not be an issue at all. I mean, there is no central authority or anything like organized religion.....if your coven if anti-LBGT, there is always another coven somewhere.....or better yet, start your own?!?
Now......tackeling the subject of Gay "Rags" and Mags......they serve a purpose. Instead of being ingrateful, why not just be happy that they exsist at all? Remember when such resources where not so readily available??? I do! Not every 'straight' mag has a spirituality section or even a horoscope section, so why should LBGT ones??? It would be nice, but I am not going to make a big issue over it.......and definitely not losing sleep over it. Anyway, the purpose of those rags hit a target audience........and NEWSFLASH, you are part of that audience in fact you made a comment on an Ed. in Chief's and CEO's looks.
As for your Genre scandal.......I lived in LA for the past 15 years before recently moving back East and I have temped at Genre and personally know staff there and lived with one of their regular models. I also am good friends with some of their contributors and writers, so again, maybe you should write more about what you know before shooting off at the mouth...........and even who cares if there are straight models on gay magazines? There are tons of gay models on straight mags........and let's not even forget to mention all the 'straight' porn stars that appear all over the 'gay' porn industry magazines.....
Genre and Out have evolved as magazines......they have to in order succeed in a fickle business, so cut them some slack. You know, running a magazine is very expensive so unless you can find a better way, just be grateful they we have a voice and are visible.
Lastly, if you are so distraught over the lack of quality magazines out there, why not start your own? You can always have an e-zine? Personally I think this is more of an issue of where you live more than anything else.....I mean Iowa's 'bustling cities' aren't exactly known for either their LBGT atmosphere nor their religious pluralism and tolerance. -
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Re: Superficial Gay Rags?!?!
Mon, December 17, 2007 - 9:04 PMNeil, you have asked an aweful lot of questions. Though, I must admit that the answers to the vast majority should be obvious, I feel.
>>>Is it really necessary to write an article about homophobia in contemporary witchcraft??? Seems very ironic to me.....if you are involved in witchcraft or wicca then by the very nature of The Rede, homophobia should not be an issue at all. I mean, there is no central authority or anything like organized religion.....if your coven if anti-LBGT, there is always another coven somewhere.....or better yet, start your own?!?<<<
Well, as long as unquestioned homophobia is so rampant within the Craft, yes, such an article really is necessary. Sadly, no one has taken to addressing this issue before (which is really a disservice to the broader comm.); and, as a Gay man I am the perfect candidate for discussing this topic! As a freelance scholar, I argue that the concept of homophobia within the Craft is, in itself, an irony! And, while one may argue that the Craft is "unorganized", this cannot excuse the presence of homophobia within the Craft. However, this also hinges upon how one defines "organized", because on certain levels, the Craft really *is* organized in many ways!
And, as far a Covens, I do not worship within one; as a consecrated Priest of An Morrighan I prefer my solitary Path as I continue to preserve Her Mysteries. At this point I may found my own Tradition!
>>>Now......tackeling the subject of Gay "Rags" and Mags......they serve a purpose. Instead of being ingrateful, why not just be happy that they exsist at all? Remember when such resources where not so readily available??? I do! Not every 'straight' mag has a spirituality section or even a horoscope section, so why should LBGT ones??? It would be nice, but I am not going to make a big issue over it.......and definitely not losing sleep over it. Anyway, the purpose of those rags hit a target audience........and NEWSFLASH, you are part of that audience in fact you made a comment on an Ed. in Chief's and CEO's looks.<<<
But, you apparently do not understand what I am talking about; these magazines often served a purpose a while back, but now they no longer do; now, they are merely Capitalist diatribes with nothing of real substance to offer!
No, I do not demand that every rag ought to have a spirituality section; just that they contain articles of substance! Who the hell cares about the latest gadgets and fashion trends (you can find out about these on-line, anyway). I don't know about you, but *I* hold print media to a higher standard.
Also, I argue that making a comment about how someone looks does not engender me as a part of one's target audience; that is rather specious, don't you think? After all, how attractive the Ed. may be is purely incidental! After all, I am hardly a part of their target audience, because I have no interest in their magazines, as a result of their lack of any real substence. Whom their target audience seems to be are superficial socialites, of which I am not a member.
>>>As for your Genre scandal.......I lived in LA for the past 15 years before recently moving back East and I have temped at Genre and personally know staff there and lived with one of their regular models. I also am good friends with some of their contributors and writers, so again, maybe you should write more about what you know before shooting off at the mouth...........and even who cares if there are straight models on gay magazines? There are tons of gay models on straight mags........and let's not even forget to mention all the 'straight' porn stars that appear all over the 'gay' porn industry magazines..... <<<
All I have ever asked anyine in my life is to not side-step an issue with a peripheral argument, which is offensive to my intellect, and a form of blatant obscurrantist behaviour, I must admitt. My charge against Genre is a quite valid one, according to a relatively well respected source for GLBT news: www.queerty.com/news/no-tr...r-20071211/
Please do not take what I say as a personal attack on the people with whom you are personally acquainted, my friend! I would never lower myself to such vilead hominem arguments in order to justify a polemic I may have.
Now, as for the issues with models; their sexual orientation is not objectionable to me, in itself, but it is the fact that they were used to sell Gay remationships and, in fact, misrepresented a cover story--their readership was fed a story that turned to be entirely fictitious! This is intelelctually dishonest, and *that* is what I have a problem with. I don;t care if they use straight models, as longs as it's not bandied as photographic documentary evidence of two Gay men in a loving relationship in order to buttrice a fictitional story; although, being that it's a Gay men's magazine,a dn the corpus of Gay models available, it should not have been hard fr them to have found a pair to employ! In fact, they should make it a rule to look for Gay models to fulfill their needs, and only then to straight models, IMHO.
>>>Genre and Out have evolved as magazines......they have to in order succeed in a fickle business, so cut them some slack. You know, running a magazine is very expensive so unless you can find a better way, just be grateful they we have a voice and are visible.<<<
"A voice" and "evolved"? Please forgive me, but I simply must argue with both of those points: their "voice" is so damned superficial that it's like a 100-page commercial ad! If they want to succeed they ought to try and write something of real value and interest; something engaging, rather than a survey or lube, o what clothes are hot and popular! Fuck *that* shit!
And, "evolved"? I say that they have drastically devolved from what they *used* to be, when I actually bbought them to to the quality of their articles. They simply need to publish more articles like the one I related re: safe-houses.
Now, I hate to be the one to point it out, but...they are sending the new generation of Gay men a horrible message, (and I don't give a damn about how hard it is fr magazines to succeed--it's their job to do just that without comprimising the integgrety of their publication; they owe us MUCh more than what they are giving us now).
>>>Lastly, if you are so distraught over the lack of quality magazines out there, why not start your own?<<<
You misunderstand me, I fear. They used to be magazines of high quality; but they are not anymore--that is what I object to so staunchly.
>>>Personally I think this is more of an issue of where you live more than anything else.....I mean Iowa's 'bustling cities' aren't exactly known for either their LBGT atmosphere nor their religious pluralism and tolerance. <<<
Well, you should move here for a time--Iowa's very progressive! Out capitol cities are, in fact, well known for their GLBT atmosphere, etc.! In fact, our own local publication (which is free, by the way, and published at a local major US University) is filled with substantial material of high repute! If local papers can do that, than national (so-called "mainstream") publications can maintain these standards too, damn it! ;o)
Take Care,
Wade@MacMorrighan.Net
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Re: Superficial Gay Rags?!?!
Tue, December 18, 2007 - 4:40 AMHmmmm, me thinks thee doth protest too much!
Maybe if you didn't do the solitary thing, ooops, I mean 'path'......you might actually be an activist of sorts instead of just complaining on the internet about homophobia instead of actually doing something productive about it. If it exsists in your community and where you worship then attend gatherings and be present.......be seen.......but by all means don't become more reclusive and invisible! Words are great, but being an actual person is soooooooo much better! Trust me, people might be more likely to change their attitutudes about you and their views/perspectives regarding homosexuality and the craft after they get to know you personally versus just reading your words spread across some pages..........or is this more about just being published???
Now, you attacked the "Capitalist diatribes" as you called them saying that they no longer offer or serve any purpose.....yet you still pick them up and read them.........hmmmm.....yet again.......purpose served! You hold print to a higher standard, not everyone else in the world does.......now, on this point, I DO agree with you......but again, the world doesn't work that way......get used to it. You've also made it a point to exclaim that you are not superficial, but you have made quite a few superficial comments in prior posts and in this thread.........care to rethink this statement??? (I know how to do my homework and research a topic well.....)
OK, back to the world of magazine's putting things on their covers and stories.........let me tell you......nothing you see on TV, in the newpaper, or in the movies are exactly what they seem..........I mean c'mon........I have friend's who are Food Stylists for commercial photographers who tell me that they paint strawberries with Chanel Lipstick..........what???? Are you going to protest that now too? The outrage! Furniture polish used on apples to make them shiny? GASP! The horror! My point is.......who cares! It is an image portraying a story and if it is fictional or non-fictional does it DIRECTLY affect your life? EVERY magazine does it, and EVERY magazine makes mistakes........so again, whatever!
LoL.......I'm laughing because that voice unfortunely is all too true.......and although I also don't care about clothes, shoes, lube, etc.......many guys do! Again, I would have to say, this is also a location thing.......when you live in a big city, you want to know where the hip places are and what's going on......maybe if I lived in boring Iowa I would care more about politics, sports, or agriculture because there really isn't much else too care about.......I mean, I'm just saying.
See, 'Integrity' is a fine line.......WHO's integity are we talking about........As an independent person, I can make my own decisions and if I choose to pick up and read one of those 'rags' (as you call them) then I will- If I think it is too trashy, I won't- but at least I am happy to have that option.
Oh, BTW, I know that Iowa is very progressive in terms of LBGT standards.........I never said that you weren't.......I said ATMOSPHERE. I can't imagine there is a section of Des Moines similar to South Beach, West Hollywood, San Francisco, or Greenwich Village.......can you? I'm sure that your 'quality' publication is free as are many LOCAL publications in many cities.......I can think of at least 3 such free LBGT publications in Montreal in English, French, and/or Bilingual - at least 2 in NYC - and about 5 really good quality magazines FREE magazines coming out of greater Los Angeles.
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