I kind of fucked up

topic posted Tue, November 6, 2007 - 5:24 PM by  fishbowl
so, I'm more tired then I had figured - wrong mouse click and I . . . deleted everything! its no wonder, I've been working on this all day long and have had no progress . . . . . . . . . square one I guess
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fishbowl
Idaho
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    Tue, November 6, 2007 - 5:27 PM
    So here what I am thinking - work on the intro information front end. I can sift through LLB's mian blog and do some editing to get the majority of the content. . . i am thinking it would be good to get a good content page out there anyway so that we will start to be picked up by Google quicker . . . I can't believe I deleted everything!
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      Tue, November 6, 2007 - 5:35 PM
      i am so flat out and rushing to eat my lunch but i get 20 min break in a littel while so will read whats goin gon in more detail, but if i can help i will.

      did you delete the content?

      take a break bro
      rest up dont stress yourself hey.
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        Tue, November 6, 2007 - 6:11 PM
        yup - i deleted everything
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          Tue, November 6, 2007 - 6:15 PM
          ahh well we can start again, can i do anything ot help you out?
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            Tue, November 6, 2007 - 6:26 PM
            ahh did you delete joomla all together???

            so there is nothing installed???
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              Tue, November 6, 2007 - 6:57 PM
              thats what I've been saying I was doing some site maintenence on the hosts back end and I deleted every fucking thing - I am hard pressed to know how....! I'm cussing up a storm and mad at myself
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                Tue, November 6, 2007 - 7:10 PM
                ahh sorry i get it now :)
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                  Tue, November 6, 2007 - 7:21 PM
                  yeah - it sucks.

                  But on a whim I've been poking around with other CMS's and I have e107 installed in the root www.bioregionalanimism.org and I am poking around the modules and the ad min back end interface and I have to say I'm becoming impressed with it. The pre-included modules include a forum, chat, there is a blog module that can be downloaded, and I'm going to look at this some more.....
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                    Tue, November 6, 2007 - 7:23 PM
                    would htat still work with the template i made???
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                      Tue, November 6, 2007 - 7:36 PM
                      probably not - but it might be easer to make a template on it. Im not sold on it - but I am thinking it is worth looking into at the least.
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                        Tue, November 6, 2007 - 8:10 PM
                        yeah sure whatever is the best for the site.

                        i dont mind building awebsite based onthe old one for that site if you like as well
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                          Tue, November 6, 2007 - 8:13 PM
                          We'll see what we go with - I hate that you went to all the trouble to learn the joomla stuff and then becouse some kid got carried away with the chinise fireworks and blewup joomla to have to learn something else - there is not a lot of prefab templates for e107, but if the theme engine is as elegent and simplistic as the back end it might not be that hard to port what you have over....
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                            Wed, November 7, 2007 - 1:31 AM
                            LMFAO>>>>
                            the gods have spoken...
                            those really big nasty other then human persons like to throw lightening bolts from time to time.. trust me i know... i get tossed in all kinds of directions... lol
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                              Wed, November 7, 2007 - 1:55 AM
                              :) hehehehe

                              all is good hey it will get rebuilt and it will be the way it is meant to be when it gets done you have learnt alot from all the work you have done so doing it again will be easier second time round
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                                Wed, November 7, 2007 - 8:19 AM
                                well aready setting up e107 with the same feature level Joomla had before I blew it up took about 20 minutes to install the thing - and joomla took me about a Month!
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                              Wed, November 7, 2007 - 8:18 AM
                              "those really big nasty other then human persons like to throw lightening bolts from time to time.. trust me i know... i get tossed in all kinds of directions..."

                              That actually describes my life quite well too :)
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                                Wed, November 7, 2007 - 1:40 PM
                                well then maybe this new cms is better to work with? if it is easier and it can do all the things you want it to do then lets run with it. test it out.
                                is there any reason why we cant do this?

                                i will look into how to create templates for it if that is possible and i can make it.
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                                  Wed, November 7, 2007 - 2:03 PM
                                  i would actually liek to see if i can edit the template so that it can go into e107 do yuou mind if i upload it to the site? i have not looked into it yet but i can if you like
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                                    Wed, November 7, 2007 - 3:20 PM
                                    Yeah, I blew it up again - i wanted to reninstal it a little cleaner when dealing with the database :) so it was intentional this time. I have also found a branch of Drupal called DrupalEd that has done almost exactly what I wanted to do with drupal in the first place - it is parked at kinship.bioregionalanimism.org

                                    i will repark e107 at alpha.bioregionalanimism.org

                                    Its an impressive little system I must say - its not as used, known, and renqowned as Joomla, Druapal, and wordpress, which I think is a shame - from my playing around with it it has the same capibilities and just needs some more module development - but there is a decent collections of modules out ther.
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                                      Wed, November 7, 2007 - 3:50 PM
                                      cool thanks fish

                                      well if you want me to tweak the template so it can work in any of those programs then let me know and i will do my best.

                                      surely they are all similar yeah? php and css?
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                                        Wed, November 7, 2007 - 4:34 PM
                                        Yeah, now that you have cut your teeth on PHP and CSS it is mostly the same concept. The different programs would probably use some different PHP tags, but other then that the basic idea is the same.
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                                          Thu, November 8, 2007 - 11:18 AM
                                          i like drupal is SOOOO user freindly!
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                                            Thu, November 8, 2007 - 11:36 AM
                                            Yeah I've been poking around the drupalEd myself and have been impressed. They basicly did what I was wanting to do with Drupal to begin with when I started, without me having to find and configure all the modules for it. Have you looked at the geyroups function yet.....I think it is a nice alternative to forums. When a user writes a blog they can link it to multiple groupfs at once and then users in any of those groups replies with a comment and it shows up in all the other linked groups. And I like the education angle it has with creating classes, I could see this very usefull in having them serve as invite only and having certin members with permisions to buildl them. for instance, You could do a Bio-Regional Animism 101 course, and Reene could do a course on interspecease communication, and desert spider on land dancing. We could apprach users if they would be willing to host a class about something, or have a place for people to submit requests - giving a little controle without a lot of hiarchy to just jently steer conversations in the proper places.

                                            Was that you that uploaded the image velve did - I was trying to change the themes and that image poped up hoging the whole screen and I didn't know where to disable it or where that change was made. The ED versions has a lot of modules in it and it is missing a PM but that can be installed seperatly - right now it uses email forums and I dont think many peo ple would care for that. Secondly siteground is going to reset all the server options to the defaults - which means the current data will be lost - so its going to disipeer for a short time and then whith all the defaults restored that i destroys I am thinking drupal Ed is the way to go? you think?
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                                              Thu, November 8, 2007 - 12:53 PM
                                              sorry i did that image as i was playing around with it but i prolly shouldnt have sorry i dont really understand drupal it seems confusing to me wheras joomla i understood, anyway sorry about hta image did you work it out i think i can put it back to default, i uploaded the image too see how one goes abotu customizing the look of it but i was short of time sorry.
                                              i wontplay around with it anymore.
                                              i will look into how to make themes for drupal but i am pretty busy these days at work.

                                              let me know if you still have troubles with the image and i will see if i can rvert what i did.

                                              once again sorry
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                                                Thu, November 8, 2007 - 1:06 PM
                                                i do like the educational aspect of it...
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                                                  Thu, November 8, 2007 - 1:56 PM
                                                  I thought you would - so whats the concenses? should we try something new or go back to joomla? what do you see the pros and cons. In some ways joomla is more user friendly to the end users and labeling things with icons, but publishing and module installation is a real pain. with DrupleED it pretty much hases all of the modules we would need already installed. I find drupal more elegent and sympleistic in its approach making it more functional but perhaps not as user friendly in the ways joomla is. and e107 has some promise but it lakes any group ware. The edu slant of DrupleED and all the included modules, really makes a lot less work. what are you thoughts.
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                                                    Thu, November 8, 2007 - 2:27 PM
                                                    i think drupal is really easy for people to work with.. thats what we use in class...
                                                    i like it... but i want it to look a bit more snazzy and i dont know how easy that would be to do that...
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                                                    Thu, November 8, 2007 - 7:22 PM
                                                    I am installing DrupalEd tomorrow on a couple of my boxes for testing purposes, so if you go ahead with that option I'll be happy to help debug anything. I would be willing to act as a mirror and archive on my various hosts as well, which may make upgrading and testing a bit less nerve wracking ;-}

                                                    Thanks for chugging through this alpha-phase testing of various packages... based on your recommendations and my own brief research, DrupalEd seems like a great choice for the beta test and production phases! One day there will be an army of geeks turning this project into a massively collaborative self-creating Person, but in the meantime I think you are the pivotal geek fishbowl ;-}
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                                                      Fri, November 9, 2007 - 12:23 AM
                                                      yeah this has been alot of hard though i am sure fun at times work fish thanks...

                                                      i am with VS fully though... on the snazzy... and i am still down with getting say dan or silver birch to make it work out... did daneil ever email you fish he was down with working on the site... and hes an amazing net and art guy...
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                                                        Fri, November 9, 2007 - 8:36 AM
                                                        I did speak to dan a little bit, haven't spoken with him for a while I will have to look back in my messege history and remind myself what we had spoken about. I have seen some really snazzy drupal powered sites. I don't know how complicated the templates are to create, and wondering if maybe we might want to higher a porfecional drupal developer to do the template.
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                                                Thu, November 8, 2007 - 1:51 PM
                                                No worries Velve, just wondering what was going on. the entire site is going to be wiped clean sometime today and be put back to defaults. . . so don't worry about it for now.
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                                                  Thu, November 8, 2007 - 6:23 PM
                                                  cool

                                                  well i am willing to learn how to make a theme for drupal but to be honest i havent looked into drupal drupalEd or e107 a great deal.
                                                  i know joomla better thatn the others but that does not mean it is better or not. i am willing to give drupal or drupalEd a go but i agree with LLB it has to be able to be customozed to the way we want it to look i feel its gotta look good and snazzy.
                                                  i liked the template i did for the joomla one is people were happy with that i will reproduce that for drupal
                                                  and then begin workgin on pictures to create a folder of images that we use for the website i say give it a go as it has features you want to have and then see how it goes we can always go back to joomla if drupal doesnt work out.

                                                  i will leave the decision up to you fullas as you will be doing the most amount of work in there building the content and stuff i am happy ot do any graphic stuff that is needed, as i feel that is what i am good at.
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                                                    Fri, November 9, 2007 - 2:12 PM
                                                    Here is what I have in mind. There are pro templates that can be bough for 50-75USD and then additional charges for what ever customization we want. This would be the most economical if we can find one of these templates that comes the closest to matching our needs and then have it customized to a minimal, because each customization coast money. SO if we found a pro template for 70USD and it had a general look and feel that we liked, we could include the electric totem image with a logo or such for an additional 20-30usd. So roughly speaking we could get one of these themes with minimal customizations for around 100USD. Now if we had a developer designed on specificity to a specifications and fully customized a unique template just for us that could run anywhere from 300usd to 500usd. Many of these pro download able themes are also flash powered.

                                                    I have and idea for a basic elegant white on black design that we might be able to do ourselves. Me and Velve could look at the tutorials for drupal theming and word together. Because, if we are using drupalEd that lessens my work tweaking the core with additional modules. Back to the idea I had....take the electric totem image with the text that velve did and align it to the far left with a contrast boarder and then aligned to the right side would we a listed menu for the groups, classes, faq, info and so forth. The color scheme would be like the one Velve has currently worked into joomla, using the moon template we found at siteground. If need be we could find a free durpal template that has this rough table format already implemented and then hack it.

                                                    What do you think?
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                                                      Fri, November 9, 2007 - 3:00 PM
                                                      soudns good to me which ever option you choose
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                                                        Fri, November 9, 2007 - 3:23 PM
                                                        I'm thinking it is worth a shot if we tried something ourselves first, to see just how deep we are getting ourselves, and then deside if we would be better off shelling out the bucks for a pro template. I'm also thinking since Tribes likes to crash a lot we might want a temporary forum setup at the new site so that we are not restricted to tribes occasional pickups and can still be productive when tribes is down. Or maefybe an email list? Velve I really liked the text effects you did on the header image, Could you do something like that which is the same size, but without the fade on the edges, and a thick white (or gray) border on the sides, excluding the top and left? and then try the same thing but replace the border with a fade. I want to play around with design layout a little bit to get a vissual of what I am thinking about, and then we can tweak it with all the css and php stuff.

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