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The Other Side Cafe has changed its name to Filter (this is as of Wednesday, April 16 - I just happened to pass by that night).
Looks the same. Is Gypsy Night still there? Or has it been moved to another place called 'Other Side Cafe'?
Looks the same. Is Gypsy Night still there? Or has it been moved to another place called 'Other Side Cafe'?
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Re: Other Side Cafe now known as Filter
Sun, April 20, 2008 - 7:15 PMYes. The new owner has some ideas. None of which I think I want to do.
As of now Gypsy Night is canceled. -
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Mon, April 21, 2008 - 2:19 PMfuck!
Just out of curiosity what were his new Ideas, perhaps they would interest other dancers. -
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Re: Other Side Cafe now known as Filter
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 1:09 PMAnyone is free to speak with the new owner. Laura and I and many other people have been nursing this event along for about five years now and its become more hassle than what its worth. I think there have been two maybe three nights that have made some money for the musicians and dancers. Middle Earth played there once and it was a financial disaster for them. While I dont dance for the money, and drummers/musicans dont play for the money, it would be nice have everyone be compensated for their time invested.
A deep heartfelt thank you to everyone who has supported Gypsy Night over the years. Its been a great run. Now on to bigger and better events and venues.
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Re: Other Side Cafe now known as Filter
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 10:37 PMWaah. We need a Cafe au Bellehdanseur ... where all the gigs are for pay and free wine. :-) Yummy drinks, yummy moves, yummy grooves. With nice people and clean bathrooms. Oh yeah, and a working sound system!
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Re: Other Side Cafe now known as Filter
Wed, April 23, 2008 - 9:53 AMIf only I lived closer, I take this one on, but alas, I don't. Good bye, Gypsy Night. It was fun!
But when am I going to get to see Genevieve again? Love you, girl! -
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Re: Other Side Cafe now known as Filter
Wed, April 23, 2008 - 11:44 AMI would hate to let Gypsy Night go without much more than a whimper. So I was thinking of possible alternate venues this morning. One that came to mind is the large patio outside the Starbucks in the Uptown Center (that’s the shopping center in Hillcrest on University Ave with the Ralphs and Trader Joe’s - the patio is directly across from those two stores). I understand that the patio is a “public area” even though the tables and chairs belong to Starbucks. But surely Starbucks wouldn’t object to having a large number of potential customers on the patio - having fun, making music, dancing and attracting other customers.
There is another group that meets there on the first Friday of every month so that day is probably not an option - but we weren’t locked in concrete for that day anyway, were we? As long as we don’t pick a Friday that conflicts with an ETR night. I guess the questions that would need to be resolved would be: Is it okay with the shopping center and is having entertainment okay?
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Wed, April 23, 2008 - 7:35 PMSome of us HATE Starschmucks, and won't do anything that can be construed as supporting them... -
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Thu, April 24, 2008 - 2:03 AM*raises hands*
It's true, I cannot fathom supporting the evil empire in any way.
Seriously, there has to be at least one other local independent business that's a good fit. -
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Fri, April 25, 2008 - 6:46 PMHey now don't knock success and remember starbucks employees are taken care of, and they are always nice. Not trying to start a fight or anything but seriously people hate starbucks because their success system works, they eat the little guy and that's sad but at least they don't change their name and kick the art out on their ass for lack of giving the artists a better option. All the little guys just need to stop bitchen pull together and eat starbucks and have a performance space for the belly dancer and drummers and whatever the hell else.
hehe.. Seriously when I stop getting a shitty attitude at small guy coffee houses then I will start supporting them more. (tone is soapbox) ;) I would absolutely support the Goddess caffina chain no matter how much she pissed off the smaller shops that she would eventually eat in order to be as successful. And if / when Goddess caffina gets as successful as Starbucks I would be happy to support it rather than destroy it by not supporting success. It's just that way it works, dog eat dog.
Besides I really like their Honey Lattes. -
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Fri, April 25, 2008 - 6:48 PMKaffeina..sorry, I cannot spell as it is and then it gets a fancy on me. -
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Fri, April 25, 2008 - 9:06 PMGeorge Bush and McDonald's are pretty popular, too. Doesn't mean I hate success, I assure you! -
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Re: Other Side Cafe now known as Filter
Sun, April 27, 2008 - 4:59 PMNo, you just hate evil double tailed mermaids ;)
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Re: Other Side Cafe now known as Filter
Sat, May 3, 2008 - 12:54 PMThey do take care of their employees to a certain extent. Not amny part time jobs offer such good health insurance. But the way they are so very stingy with hours and pay raises has stirred a bit of anger within the starbucks community. My man's been employed there 2 years and he is a little *raar* when it come to those two points. Actually got himself a second job cause of all that.
But otherwise, can't really beat the part timer benefits you get there.
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Re: Other Side Cafe now known as Filter
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 10:14 AMPerhaps I should have apologized in advance to all those who break out in hives whenever they encounter the "S" word.
As I mentioned, my understanding is that the patio is "public area" - it just happens to be next to "that place". I suppose those who want could wear signs that say, "I'm here to support the dancers, not the evil empire".
And the patio would only be a temporary solution during the warm summer months - it certainly wouldn't work in December unless you like to watch your dancers covered in gooseflesh.
~~ R
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Sat, April 26, 2008 - 9:07 AMAfter talking with a few working dancers and muscians this is what was discussed.
We need less gigs that pay hardly anything or nothing at all. These events usually take a lot of work for a couple of people. They are randomly attended and become a burden very quickly.
We need just a few gigs that are well attended, well publicized, at a good location, with cooperation from many, good sound system, good conditions for the dancers and best of all - opportunity to be paid for your ART.
While monthly events are fun to go out and play, they saturate the market and no one gets anywhere. The musicians and dancers in SF, LA and on the East Coast understand this and more carefully craft these events. They plan with the general bellydance world calendar in mind so as not to overlap if possible, resulting in better attendence.
So perthaps the path to walk is to work smarter not harder - just to fill a void, just because there is one. -
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Sun, April 27, 2008 - 5:08 PMThat's True Laura, Perhaps then we could limit a monthly performance to and for eachother, not so public access for the reasons you mentioned. However, for those curious about belly dancers and drummers and possibly having them for hire it is great to direct them to a come as you are location where they can see us perform, especially if we advertise ourselves as being there to future prospects. I understand that is the intention here, to find a place that also offers a little back to the artists, but then you have the limit to who may show up to dance if payment is involved like LuLu talk about a fucking nightmare to keep everything happy and give everyone a chance to dance. Hence the reason I absolutely don't miss it.
I know getting paid is always nice I have been going back and fourth over the perform or not to perform for free thing for a while I am finding it can suck either way becuse there is always an undercutter on the paid route, and there is always the obligation for no-$ bummer that comes up every now and then when you agree to dance for free. Hopefully that perfect place will be available to us all soon.
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Sun, April 27, 2008 - 11:35 PMAnd I kind of thought one of the purposes of Gypsy Night was to provide a venue for dancers who didn't have that much experience to get an opportunity to perform in front of a live audience. I didn't think it was all about the money. I've danced there a couple of times - and I certainly wasn't expecting to be able to retire on the proceeds from my efforts (I was able to buy a cup of coffee one night! Wooo-hooo!!) But hey! I don't care how good a dancer you are, you are not going to make a fortune dancing in front of 30 people in a coffee house, even if it's in Kensington or La Jolla - you will probable be lucky to cover your gas money (provided you don't live too far away). If it's a paid gig, then they want the 'professionals' dancing, not the wanna-be's like me. So where do the wanna-be's get to dance in front of a live audience? I know, Egyptian Tea Room.
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Mon, April 28, 2008 - 6:27 AM"get an opportunity to perform in front of a live audience."
Because playing for a dead one is lame. -
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Mon, April 28, 2008 - 8:05 AM<LOL> Yes, but they don't throw over-ripe fruit.
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Sun, May 4, 2008 - 3:21 PMEgyptian Tea Room is still going, second saturdays - Juliet has been busy and we've all had a lot going on, so there's been sporadic support and last month was cancelled, but starting this month (may) we plan to be back in full swing! If you plan to dance just post on tribes.tribe.net/modernsaraswati so we don't end up with too many or too few performers. ;-) If you think maybe you might dance, just post it so we know to maybe expect you! -
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Wed, May 14, 2008 - 7:54 AMMay I add- my perspective to this? I have doing the ETR for many years- Some Months are slow and some months are amazingly Jam packed. We have amazing dancers perform and we have students perform. Anyone can perform there. Yes- it is small. And while we don't get paid- we get free appetizers and all dancers get free coffee drinks. It's not much, i know. But to me I look at it as our own belly dance party- we get together and talk about stuff and share ideas and enjoy each others growth and development as artists. It's an Ohana thing.
Yet I don't see many of you there. You have this resource- yet you don't take advantage of it. I know that there are conflicts with other events on the second saturday- but you can reset your bellydance clock and come early- then go to the other event. If you don't like the way things are run at ETR- take some initiative. I won't bite.
RE the money thing- we did that for a long time at ETR. It was easy to get tips with just one group dancing. But we felt it was a bit much to hit the audience up after each new dancer.
But if ETR is not within your artist vision- then you will have to create a new event. Looking forward to seeing you manifest this intention! -
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Wed, May 14, 2008 - 8:44 PMHey Juliet - that is a great point. Why reinvent the wheel when a perfectly good opportunity is there.
Thank you for all you do!
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Re: Other Side Cafe now known as Filter
Sat, May 3, 2008 - 9:33 AMOk let me explain.
It's not that we were doing Gypsy Night to make money.
In the begining, the band made between $5-$25 each and the dancers made $30 each in tips. The last year or 3, the drummers that have showed up have got zero dollars and most dancers as well. The rare occasion the tips were offered I think on a big night, one dancer went home with $10.
My point was that IF there were less gigs in the first place, people would be more likely to be WILLING to pay the band and tip the dancers. It costs money to put together costuming, pay for classes, ect. It would be nice to recoup some of that outlay of cash, right? And the opportunity to get better musicians to show up is greater if there is payment possible. You have to buy your instrument, pay for classes, ect. And then there is the cost of advertising to get people to come to events. It takes time, copying cost, and gas money to take flyers around town to get people to events to make it worth while.
There is cost involved for those putting these shows together. Really. Even if you are a student just showing up to dance in front of an audience for the first time, someone had to put that event together for you to be there. Really.
The cafe doesn't put any money into it. They benefit by having customer there buying product. That's why they want us there. The fact that there are now obligations, rules, and restrictions on top of the already drain to my time, money and effort to put this event on - I am willing to let it go. I for one can't afford it any longer.
If we had fewer events per year, at better locations, with better advertising, with a better crowd draw - we might be able to at least break even, we might actualy go home with a few extra $$ in our pockets. I really don't know why being prosperous is a bad thing. -
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Mon, May 5, 2008 - 8:26 AMBeing prosperous is a beautiful thing. Lets just charge people a few bucks to attend and perform then at the end of the night split it up between those that sweat to perform. And for those that feel it is not worth it don't show up and make room for those that would like to even if that means one dancer with a CD. I have not gone to Gypsy night on several occations because I just could not get it together I was tired.
But for the most part what is more important to me is just a place to dance and offer my students the same exp without prejudiced of their gender or exp because it is a paid gig. This may not happen to musicians but it really happens to dancers size, age, sex, gender do not factor in at a free gig. and if it does it is super rare I care more about that than 10.00.
Hopefully one of the new scouted out places will reopen the chance to dance no matter who you are. If anyone has scouted Twiggs already let me know because I will be going there next week. -
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Re: Other Side Cafe now known as Filter
Mon, May 5, 2008 - 9:00 AMI want to plant a tribal flag at Claire de Lune. -
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Thu, May 8, 2008 - 2:51 PMIza Moon Dance Collective also has a regular gig at Kadan bar (Adams & 30th) on first Fridays at 11pm. I've never been or seen them perform, I just know they have members in common with Urban Tribal.
The furniture at Claire's eats you alive. But I guess that's only an issue if there's a place to sit... :-)
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Re: Other Side Cafe now known as Filter
Mon, January 19, 2009 - 1:26 PMwell if there is ever an event settled on I would love to be involved, and I have a sweet little fender amp. that I can bring to help wit sound You just plug in your Ipod and dance. I an more then willing to help get something going. -
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Sun, April 19, 2009 - 5:11 PMugh everything is a BAR!!!!!!
Im still too young =[ -
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Re: Other Side Cafe now known as Filter
Mon, April 20, 2009 - 10:46 PMGirl, I hear ya, I don't drink so I don't want to dance at bars anyway!
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