HAARP and the New World Order

topic posted Sun, October 23, 2005 - 10:20 PM by  =selph:made=
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The closest thing I've found to my own perspective. I like this guy.

www.jerryesmith.com/books/haarp_nwo.php

(yes I had posted this before but decided to keep my ranting out of it. The lecture should speak for itself and you should, of course, use your own discernment)
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=selph:made=
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  • Re: HAARP and the New World Order

    Mon, October 24, 2005 - 12:57 AM
    That really puts it in a nutshell. This is a perfect link for when people ask "what is haarp,what can it do,why is it bad"
    • Re: HAARP and the New World Order

      Mon, October 24, 2005 - 12:48 PM
      I found this link pretty typical of NWO alarmists before 2000. The truth is much more subtle. While some of the key issues are presented, the tone of presentation is biased, so it will turn off many who might be genuinely concerned.

      There are easier ways, such as media to mass-control minds, and they are even more insidious. That is why I also study media ecology. Your brains have been massaged for decades by corporate interests. Apathy and fear are the real enemies. Think for yourself; don't be a robot for EITHER side.

      Iona
      biophysics.50megs.com
      • Re: HAARP and the New World Order

        Mon, October 24, 2005 - 10:34 PM
        I actually agree with you here. I should have mentioned at least that I don't share Smith's attitude. I am not afraid and I don't take sides. I did, however, perhaps from my own bias, think he did a pretty good job of presenting the ideas, other than the imminent NWO, as possiblities rather than determined outcomes.

        I do indeed think for myself. Actually I had come to most of the same conclusions of my own accord and was surprised to find someone who summed it up so well.

        Then the question is, "were those conclusions massaged into my mind over time" so as to make me believe I came to them myself? This is an interesting question which I am seeking the answer to. ;) I am well aware of subliminal messaging as well as some of the newer technologies, which I am now exploring (and which are exploring me ;).

        I am open to being wrong.
      • Re: HAARP and the New World Order

        Tue, October 25, 2005 - 12:08 AM
        i'd agree with Iona on that last one: some good facts but easily plopped into the far-out multi-issue conspiratorial box.

        i'm curious, iona, what you think of Michel Chossudovsky's work on the HAARP project. He's much more difficult, it seems, to stigmatize negatively off the bat...

        Jerome


        www.earthpulse.com/src/subcategory.asp
        www.mindfully.org/Air/Clima...eapons.htm
        www.globalresearch.ca/article...09F.html

        (bio from Wikipedia)

        Michel Chossudovsky is a Canadian economist. He is a professor of economics at the University of Ottawa.

        Chossudovsky has taught as visiting professor at academic institutions in Western Europe, Latin America and Southeast Asia, has acted as economic adviser to governments of developing countries and has worked as a consultant for international organizations including the United Nations Development Programme (UNDP), the African Development Bank, the United Nations African Institute for Economic Development and Planning (AIEDEP), the United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA), the International Labour Organization (ILO), the World Health Organisation (WHO), the United Nations Economic Commission for Latin America and the Caribbean (ECLAC). In 1999, Chossudovsky joined the Transnational Foundation for Peace and Future Research as an adviser.

        Chossudovsky is past president of the Canadian Association of Latin American and Caribbean Studies. He is a member of research organisations that include the Committee on Monetary and Economic Reform (COMER), the Geopolitical Drug Watch (OGD) (Paris)and the International People's Health Council (IPHC).

        He is an active member of the anti-war movement in Canada, has written extensively on the war in Yugoslavia, and has been involved in the propagation of alternate theories regarding the September 11 terrorist attacks. He is a frequent contributor to Le Monde diplomatique, Third World Resurgence and Covert Action Quarterly. His publications have been translated into more than twenty languages. His forthcoming book is entitled War and Globalisation, the Balkans and Beyond.

        He is editor for the Centre for Research on Globalization, which operates a website at globalresearch.ca. The Centre for Research on Globalization states to be "committed to curbing the tide of "globalisation" and "disarming" the New World Order".
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  • Re: HAARP and the New World Order

    Sun, January 8, 2006 - 4:03 PM
    Perhaps the clearest explanation of HAARP I have read but I do have issues with the tone it is written in. The open-minded pragmatist says I disapprove of the following sentence quote - "Some would try to convince you that fear of the government is irrational. I will be offering evidence to the contrary. Of course, it is not the government that I fear, but a few of the people who run it."

    Now I am preaching to the converted in this tribe but fear is not a very useful energy for the afraid. It is only useful for individuals that like to use fear to gain power to control others. The open-minded pragmatist says I disapprove, the militant warrior for light says beware of fear mongers because they could be working for either side.

    Duality is an illusion created by the mind that is unaware of the Oneness of all and the omnipresence of God, so there really are no sides. I'm not saying that Jerry Smith is deliberately doing the work of Intel Agencies by informing us of their weapons and making sure that we are scared. But I am saying that he may be unwittingly, accidentally, playing into their hands. The nuclear weapon is no secret and the widespread knowledge of it's power is one of the reasons it is so feared.

    My point is being scared won't help anyone, including ourselves.

    I disapprove of the sentence "A little righteous anger really brings out the best in the American personality." No, no, no - a little 'righteous anger' is what got the American population to back a war in Iraq after the 911 tragedy, despite no ties whatsoever between Bin Laden and Saddam (more to the point despite no ties whatsoever between Bin Laden and 911.)

    Then, at the end of the whole thing he says "Now it's up to you, this is, after all, your planet." Like, what are we supposed to do about it?! Well for a start we can start informing each other about it, as much as I disapprove of the scare tactics it is still contains possibly the most straight-forward scientific explanation of HARRP that I have read so far.

    By the way I wholeheartedly approve of the following quote "George Bernard Shaw exactly captured my view when he described patriotism as the belief that your country is the best place on earth simply because you happened to have been born there." Genius.
    • Re: HAARP and the New World Order

      Mon, January 9, 2006 - 2:41 AM
      Yes, Kev. I agree with all points you stated. Smith is fearful, and the truth is that most people who know as much about HAARP (or really anything about it) are fearful and I don't blame them. As you know, I advocate a fearless approach.

      My belief is that the more information people have about HAARP and its true capabilities, the less it's operators will be able to get away with executing. I do wish I knew how to soften the blow to people who this frightens to tears. I don't want anybody to be afraid. I want us to be aware!! This is why I do both tribes... 'haarp' and 'notafraid'... eh...

      • Re: HAARP and the New World Order

        Wed, January 25, 2006 - 12:40 PM
        Just got to reading this...
        >The government's documents on HAARP are so obviously full of lies and misdirection that one is forced to conclude that the government is trying to hide something

        That brings up a question I am curious about. What do the gov't say HAARP is?

        ~peace~
        nicole
        • Re: HAARP and the New World Order

          Fri, January 27, 2006 - 12:18 AM
          Hi Nicole.

          Despite at least a half century of actively researching and manipulating the ionosphere, our gov't claims the purpose of HAARP is merely to "characterize" the ionosphere so we can understand it better. In other words, they claim it is purely a civilian scientific research project who's purpose is to study the ionosphere.

          Here's the official site: www.haarp.alaska.edu
          • Re: HAARP and the New World Order

            Sat, February 11, 2006 - 6:32 PM
            Thanx, Selph, for your never-ending quest for the truth.

            I like it when some people like to philosophize and dissect those that have radical views..when it comes to something that no one has a definite answer to. Keeps everyone on their toes. I digested the text that you provided a link to with an open mind. Much of the presented info coincides with what others are talking about and makes much sense. The beauty of information is that it can be researched, thought about, compared, and studied. "Sleeping" is a wonderful, care-free state. No wonder people are resistant to opening their minds, eyes, and hearts. Why am I even writing this....I am missing my Desperate Housewives episode, got a delivery guy ringin the doorbell and a 6-pack in the fridge;) Aliens...MJ-12....HAARP....WHAT?! soundz like FAART, know what I'm sayin? Brain waves...I missed the day they wuz talkin bout dat in sKool.

            "They say that I'm a dreamer, buyt I'm not the only one..." U know this one.

            Much love,
            • Re: HAARP and the New World Order

              Mon, February 27, 2006 - 12:35 PM
              I have known the Begich's for a couple of years now, and find them very level-headed and spiritual in a Native American way through direct mentorship of Alaskan natives and others, and not prone to alarmism or manipulation of what Nick's wants to say, though interviewers try to phrase his statements differently. I think this is a good strategy...to not sound like Chicken Little. I would say of all those I've met on the speaking circuit, Nick is among the most open-spirited and least egotistical; I would say I see no signs of egotism in his public or private demeanor - a real server.

              I don't know Prof C's work and rely on my pipelines more than books, due to time constraints.

              My own HAARP articles, for those of you who don't know, are at
              www.nexusmagazine.com/article...ann.html
              www.nwbotanicals.org/oak/ newphysics/HAARP-Resonance.1004.pdf
              and elsewhere if you google it.

              Iona
              digitaluniverse.50megs.com
            • Re: HAARP and the New World Order

              Fri, March 10, 2006 - 2:08 AM
              SIXTH: thanks for yours.

              yeah, man, it's good to be kept on the toes. I do have to remind myself sometimes to challenge even my core beliefs. When it comes to stuff like HAARP and anything generally concealed from the public I always expect a lot of disinfo, so I try to stay sharp. I'm still learning and have probably been misled a few times. Gotta question everything, yeah?

              >Brain waves...I missed the day they wuz talkin bout dat in sKool.<

              Ha! Yeah, in my opinion brain-waves and the effects of electromagnetics on them should be common knowledge. Everybody should know their brain can and will entrain to strong ELF signals, and about sympathetic resonance in the body; the extensive mapping of resonant frequencies. These things have been established for a long, long time. Anybody call for a heart-attack? Stomach cramp? Sexual excitation? Disorientation?

              I had a dream once where I was a low-ranking military officer at a table with about seven other officers and a superior. The superior was demonstrating a new toy for us. It looked like one of those old fasioned radios, a smallish wooden box with a metallic mesh and only one knob. It was a model designed purely for demonstration, so we could become familiar with the new technology at our disposal. The machine was an ELF generator and each notch on the knob was tuned to precise frequencies and modulations. The superior told us we would experience drastic and rapid alterations in our mood and general sense of being. We naive young officers looked around at each other smirkingly, not expecting much. I was skeptical, but open-minded. The machine was switched on and I was impressed by the catatonic state demonstrated first. We all felt and looked very heavy and dopey, heads and bodies drooping. It was comfortable and numb, though a bit scary underneath. Then the nob was turned and we were kicked up to an aware and alert state, wide-eyed, now amazed and a little freaked out. The knob was turned again and I began experiencing an intense pain in my stomach and nausea. We all shrunk into our stomachs, looking at each other to confirm it was the effect of the machine. The sensation left with the turn of the knob back to a pleasant setting (proably around 8 hz). I was impressed but still skeptical when he told us we were going to feel angry as he turned the knob again. This I remember most vividly. I sat with my hands on the table. Looking around the room at my peers I started to notice sort of a buzzing in my inner ear, started to feel a deep dislike for them all, my jaw clenched, chest tightened up. Fingers wanted to curl into fists, arms flexing, lips upcurling, breath becoming huffy and growly around the room. I almost felt ready stand up and throw my neighbor out of his chair, insite a brawl at best, when he switched us directly to JOY, and the huffing breaths turned to releases of that anxiety and a light laughter, everything was rising as we got high and happy. WOO-HOO. Then back to anger, building rapidly, back to joy. We got the point. I had that dream at a time when I felt very psychic, making lots of connections.

              That would certainly be quite a weapon if HAARP can do that. There's a Humvy mounted weapon that can do it to crowds. I tend to think the microwave towers now practically everywhere you go in the city are capable of these kind of effects as well. If it's so, it seems the difference in application would be whether the effect is supposed to be localized or over a large region. All you need is a strong enough carrier wave and another to modulate it... A little extra electrosensitivity added with aerosolized barium...

              Sixth have you seen "They Live"? Dude, if you haven't you gotta! The lamp-posts broadcast a signal that says, "SLEEP. SLEEP. SLEEP." Heeh. That movie is right up your alley, my man.


              "...and the world will live as one." Yup.

  • Re: HAARP and the New World Order

    Thu, March 2, 2006 - 11:36 AM
    Here's an interesting little tid bit. Isaac Bonewits was the first person to recieve a degree in magic. He developed a thesis and proved it at Berkley. In his thesis, which is now called, Real Magic, he considers a magic machine. He says that when we can build an attenna array large enough and have a translation device we could build a machine that reads thoughts and sends out thoughts of its own. This was 25 years before the creation of HAARP. Most people don't know that the USA Today reported that Milosevic accused the US of using HAARP technologies to create earthquakes and floods in the middle east. It was right there on the front page back in '98. I have a TV show in Austin and created a documentary on HAARP that won me the ACTV awards. If you would like to know more goto thefreemanperspective.blogspot.com/
    I hope to hear from a bunch of you
    • Re: HAARP and the New World Order

      Fri, March 10, 2006 - 1:15 AM
      Hey Freeman. Cool. Looks like you've got some good info to share with us. I look forward to getting into it deeper. I haven't had much time to explore your blogs yet. Can I download your HAARP documentary somewhere on your site...didn't find it...

      What paper was the Milosevic thing printed in in '98? I'm very interested in the earthquaking capabilities, but thus far have only been able to "responsibly" call it theoretical (makes sense to me though).

      Please feel free to post about anything HAARP related on the tribe. Start new threads. We can always use fresh perspectives.

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