Looks like all of the anti-christians have left this tribe. Good thing. I was going to kick the butts of any remaining ones:-)
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Re: Hating fundies
Sat, March 1, 2008 - 4:22 PMWell, we're still around. We just mostly post on the !Fun with Fundies! tribe.
We mostly keep this one around for the archives.
And we are not mostly anti-christians. We are mostly anti-fundamentalists. Not all Christians are Fundamentalist. Most aren't, actually. -
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Re: Hating fundies
Mon, March 3, 2008 - 7:38 AMHi Trouble. Yes, I have been on the other fun with fundies tribe. Krampus and I are old "friends".
"And we are not mostly anti-christians. We are mostly anti-fundamentalists. Not all Christians are Fundamentalist. Most aren't, actually. "
how do you define "fundamentalist". Isn't this roughly equivalent to evangelical believers? If so, according to Pewforum.org we represent 26% of christians in the U.S., the largest segment. It is likely that fundamentalists exist in other segments as well.
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Re: Hating fundies
Tue, March 11, 2008 - 10:53 PMI should add that I personally am rather anti-Christian.
I'd be quite content if your mythologies stayed in the fairy-tale books, rather than trying to beat us over the heads with your crap.
Christianity is basically the belief that a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master so he can remove an evil force in your soul because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree. yeah... That makes perfect sense... -
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Re: Hating fundies
Wed, March 12, 2008 - 6:50 AM"I should add that I personally am rather anti-Christian."
shock, horrors! I should add that I am anti anti-Christians.
"I'd be quite content if your mythologies stayed in the fairy-tale books, rather than trying to beat us over the heads with your crap."
Sorry, but were are not concerned about your "comfort". Nor do we beat anyone over the head with our beliefs. So you are just spouting your own ignorance, bigotry and prejudice.
"Christianity is basically the belief that a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master so he can remove an evil force in your soul because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree. yeah"
Very creative, a quick google search reveals this is the favorite straw man statement of atheist fools everywhere.
... That makes perfect sense...
Makes no sense at all, but keep trying, I need a pen pal. -
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Re: Hating fundies
Fri, March 14, 2008 - 9:00 PMCould be fun.
I have, in fact, been beaten over the head by Christians. Pretty much only by Christians. And pretty much because they were trying to "Help" me.
I'll admit that I don't hold the bad behaviors of some Christians against other Christians. I've friends who are Christians. I've family who are evangelicals. I don't love them any less than the rest of my family, and friends, but I try hard to avoid talking about certain subjects around them.
It's "The Favorite Straw Man"? I rather prefer the wicker man we set ablaze during our pagan weather festivals. How are your Ides of March treating you? (You can wait until tomorrow, when it actually IS the ides of march, to respond, if you like...) -
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Re: Hating fundies
Mon, March 17, 2008 - 6:41 AM"I have, in fact, been beaten over the head by Christians. Pretty much only by Christians. And pretty much because they were trying to "Help" me."
metaphorically of course.
"I'll admit that I don't hold the bad behaviors of some Christians against other Christians. I've friends who are Christians. I've family who are evangelicals. I don't love them any less than the rest of my family, and friends, but I try hard to avoid talking about certain subjects around them."
probably a good idea. You must be participating in a life style which is in conflict with christian morality, that's my guess.
"It's "The Favorite Straw Man"? I rather prefer the wicker man we set ablaze during our pagan weather festivals. How are your Ides of March treating you? (You can wait until tomorrow, when it actually IS the ides of march, to respond, if you like...)"
it is amusing to me that folks will turn from Christianity and embrace paganism and pagan rituals and consider themselves intellectually superior:-) -
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Re: Hating fundies
Mon, March 17, 2008 - 2:52 PM*Jump in*
I've been beat over the head, and NOT metaphorically. The Bible Belt is a scary and evil place to live.
And hey, we find ourselves intellectually superior, but at least we don't think we're so morally and religiously superior we rub it under others noses like a status symbol. -
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Re: Hating fundies
Tue, March 18, 2008 - 5:22 AMwho would beat you and why?
"And hey, we find ourselves intellectually superior"
superior to what? To Christians? Wouldn't that be a broad generalization?
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Re: Hating fundies
Tue, March 18, 2008 - 1:22 AMNOT metaphorically. I speak of physical beatings and from people who are actually thinking they are trying to help me.
Thanks, but, no thanks. I'll help myself.
My lifestyle was simple; Living with my deformities as best as I could. The bisexuality expressed itself much later. When the beatings were the norm, I was working very hard to live the good Christian lifestyle.
I think Christians simply think that my deformities are signs that Satan owns me. I can't think of other reasons for their treatment of me. All the "sins" of my "Lifestyle" are recent. There was no sign of them when I was gettig my lumps, and my beatings.
I never claimed my play with paganism was intellectually superior. You really like to create straw men of me, don't you? I merely said that Pagan wicker men were preferred to the argumentative sort of straw men. If you don't like the straw man I've constructed for you, please, by all means, constryuct your own. Are you saying that the Garden of Eden story is not one you believe is true? Is it simply the subtle differences of the different beliefs in original sin you object to seeing oversimplified in this manner? Which parts of that straw man bugs you so much?
I never claim that pagan ritual is intellectually superior to Christian ritual. Just that it was more fun. -
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Tue, March 18, 2008 - 5:36 AM"NOT metaphorically. I speak of physical beatings and from people who are actually thinking they are trying to help me."
why would anyone beat you for any reason?
"Thanks, but, no thanks. I'll help myself."
help yourself to what?
"My lifestyle was simple; Living with my deformities as best as I could. The bisexuality expressed itself much later. When the beatings were the norm, I was working very hard to live the good Christian lifestyle."
I know of no such "Christianity". No we arrive at the real rationale, you wish to pursue a dangerous lifestyle of lesbianism, one that will shorten your life and "Trouble" it more than the one you feel you are rejecting.
"I think Christians simply think that my deformities are signs that Satan owns me. I can't think of other reasons for their treatment of me. All the "sins" of my "Lifestyle" are recent. There was no sign of them when I was gettig my lumps, and my beatings."
Isn't it possible you are blaming an entire religious sect for the sins of a few abherrant Christians?
"I never claimed my play with paganism was intellectually superior."
thank you for this acknowledgement Trouble. Clearly paganism, whatever that is, is inferior to just about everything.
"Are you saying that the Garden of Eden story is not one you believe is true?"
Yes and in every way. It explains mans current state, why we are bent on evil, death, sickness, disease and redemption.
"Is it simply the subtle differences of the different beliefs in original sin you object to seeing oversimplified in this manner? Which parts of that straw man bugs you so much?"
Look Trouble, it doesn't take a psychiatrist to see you are filled with bitterness and are irrationally blaming Christianity for this bitterness when it is rightly placed upon the individuals who have hurt you. A lot of people get hurt in life, we live in a sinful fallen world.
"I never claim that pagan ritual is intellectually superior to Christian ritual. Just that it was more fun."
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Re: Hating fundies
Tue, March 18, 2008 - 8:00 AMlong enough for the only life we have.
There is no afterlife. There is no god.
It would require gender reassignment surgery for me to pursue a lifestyle of "lesbianism". But, that amuses me.
Why are you Christians so hung up on sexuality as the only conceivable reason for people to reject your mythology? I had left your deluded "flock" more than a decade before I started exploring anything remotely alternative as far as sexuality is concerned. And you really don't know anything about my sexuality. I drop hints, and see if you bite, and you do. You really think the only reason I'd leave your precious Christ is to pursue carnal pleasures. That is very funny. The lifestyle of a non-believer is less focused on sex than you imagine.
Sure I'm bitter. physical abuse does that to people. verbal abuse, likewise. You aren't so clever. Your argument approach appears to be to try to entrap me into converting. Your techniques include quoting me and altering the context. You complain about straw men arguments, while actively attempting to use them. Your understanding of paganism and atheism and agnosticism is weak enough that you can't tell them apart, and you can't tell when I shift my story from one branch to another.
Do your techniques ever work? I mean, aside from when you are preaching to the choir, do you ever find people converting after you try to tangle them with words? Words are slippery things. They won't be enough to convert me.
You are welcome to your mythology. If it makes you happier to believe that the only reason people ever disagree with you is that they have been tempted away by orgies and talking snakes, by all means, believe that. It must be a fun way to see the world. Do you hunt these forums simply out of resentment that you didn't get the orgy invites all of us non-believers got? -
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Wed, March 19, 2008 - 9:17 AM"Long enough for the only life we have.
There is no afterlife. There is no god. "
So you say and apparently believe. But you are irrational in doing so. Even renowned atheist Antony Flew has now renounced atheism.
"Why are you Christians so hung up on sexuality as the only conceivable reason for people to reject your mythology?"
simply because it is offered so often as a reason and because it appears to be the only thing, besides Christian bashing, that atheists love to talk about.
"I had left your deluded "flock" more than a decade before I started exploring anything remotely alternative as far as sexuality is concerned. And you really don't know anything about my sexuality."
all I know is what you have stated, that you are a bisexual. Since I had your gender wrong you must be a homosexual.
"I drop hints, and see if you bite, and you do. You really think the only reason I'd leave your precious Christ is to pursue carnal pleasures. That is very funny. The lifestyle of a non-believer is less focused on sex than you imagine."
and apparently much less than the unbelievers let on by their conversation.
"Sure I'm bitter. physical abuse does that to people. verbal abuse, likewise."
No it doesn't. Many people have suffered incredible abuses without bitterness. Bitterness is a self destructive force of choice.
"You aren't so clever. Your argument approach appears to be to try to entrap me into converting."
you're silly, converting anyone is not my goal. If it were I should have left the tribe long ago as I have not converted a single soul here to my knowledge.
"Your techniques include quoting me and altering the context. You complain about straw men arguments, while actively attempting to use them. Your understanding of paganism and atheism and agnosticism is weak enough that you can't tell them apart, and you can't tell when I shift my story from one branch to another."
I understand atheism/agnosticism well enough. I don't have a clue as to what "paganism" is because there were so many pagan religions in the past. What are your pagan beliefs (in summary please).
"Do your techniques ever work? I mean, aside from when you are preaching to the choir, do you ever find people converting after you try to tangle them with words? Words are slippery things. They won't be enough to convert me."
I have no "techniques" Trouble. I simply write what I feel is true and combat what I feel is falsehood.
"You are welcome to your mythology."
thanks, but I have none.
"If it makes you happier to believe that the only reason people ever disagree with you is that they have been tempted away by orgies and talking snakes, by all means, believe that. It must be a fun way to see the world."
I don't believe immorality to be the only reason, just one reason. Even former pagan/atheist Mortimer Adler acknowledged moral reasons kept him from embracing Christian faith, before finally becoming a Catholic.
"Do you hunt these forums simply out of resentment that you didn't get the orgy invites all of us non-believers got?"
well, I haven't gotten any "orgy invites". I stumbled upon the "tribe" 2 years ago while researching a former church I was once involved with. From there I moved to various forums and spent a few months on Krampus' page.
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Re: Hating fundies
Wed, March 19, 2008 - 9:23 AMnow that I have looked more closely at your profile and pics, I realize that I have engaged you previously on the other fun with fundies....
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Re: Hating fundies
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 1:40 AMJust a reminder this tribe is called !having fun with fundies!
and in case you've forgotten we can't have much fun if no christians show up
and we can't have much fun if your to serious!
because when it comes down to it no religion gets dangerous when it's followers get to serious and obsessed with the fear instead of love. -
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Re: Hating fundies
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 11:10 AM"Just a reminder this tribe is called !having fun with fundies!"
yes, I am aware. The problem with the name is that it is clear that most hear do not know what a 'fundie' is or how they differ from evangelicals or catholics for example. Pretty much anyone who holds to faith beliefs are considered "fundies".
"and in case you've forgotten we can't have much fun if no christians show up
and we can't have much fun if your to serious!"
Oh, so we all need to lighten up then, is that is? The bigotry and ignorance expressed by so many "fundie" haters is not really that much "fun". I teach my kids that "if it is not fun for all, it is not fun at all". Perhaps that is something to think about for members of this tribe.
"because when it comes down to it no religion gets dangerous when it's followers get to serious and obsessed with the fear instead of love. "
I don't understand this sentence.
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Re: Hating fundies
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 8:48 PMPlease understand that if I could I would be posting on the fun with fundies tribe. However they kicked me out because they could not cope with the concept of tolerance.
I never once mentioned the Bible or even what they should believe, it was all about tolerance, which they could not accept. -
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Re: Hating fundies
Sun, May 11, 2008 - 3:33 PMIsn't interesting Ricky that those who are often most identified as promoters of "tolerance" are in fact the most intollerant of all. My strong Christian presence was not wanted by the atheist moderator of the "Crossroads of Religion". The "brave" atheists of the "atheists tribe" could not tolerate me either. Here is a tribe that you will not likely be booted from: tribes.tribe.net/religiousdiscusion. I created it and turned it over to Josh to moderate. -
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Re: Hating fundies
Sun, May 11, 2008 - 5:37 PMYou may want to think harder than the fact they're intolerant. Which of course, they are. But there's more to it. How have they been treated that causes them to automatically distrust you?
I, for crappy example, have been kicked out, repressed, molested, screamed at, "exorcised" and most other standard abuses in the name of the Lord. Because Christians were trying to help, because they were forcing their thoughts and beliefs like the Bible says you shouldn't. I have a really heavy gilt King James I like to drop on certain people's heads and scream "thou shalt not judge" ; )
It is really hard to meet Christians anymore who don't on some level do this. I have met . . . .2. Ever. Living in the Bible Belt, I have met 2 nice proper Christians who don't judge and try to sneak God into the conversation and etc. So tribes like Fun with Fundies are mostly made of people who are tired of this treatment and behavior and really just want an excuse to poke at anyone with religion. New Agers and Pagans included too. You have to be a minority or married to one or have a retarded child in order to get along in that tribe. -
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Re: Hating fundies
Mon, May 12, 2008 - 10:59 AMOctavia, it sounds like what you are saying is that personal, possibly psycological, issues are involved with some of these folks. It is irrational to strike out a whole group of people for abuses received from a few. And what do you mean by "molested" , do you mean harassed verbally?
Witnessing the "good news" (gospel) of salvation is the Christians responsibility. It is impossible to "force it" on anyone and as you pointed out Jesus does not ask the believe to do this. Forcing ones religion on others is an Islamic practice, not a Christian one.
"It is really hard to meet Christians anymore who don't on some level do this."
The price of religious freedom is that we will be challenged to consider the faith of others at times. I don't particularly like JW's or Mormons coming to my door, but I tolerate them and politely let them know that I am not interested in stricking up a conversation with them.
What seems to me to be at issue with the "fun with fundies" crowd is that they don't like people who are sure of themselves; people who believe in absolute truth and a fixed moral code make these folks angry. They wrongfully assume that those who disagree with them are ignorant of "science" etc..
If they want to form a social club where they can bitch to one another and say nasty things about their neighbor that is one thing, but they should do this where it is a closed club not visible to others. What they do is attack what they improperly call "fundies", villifying them etc.. As such, they are just bringing more abuse to themselves. The atheist crowd in American and GB seems to want a fight, and I think this is an extremely unwise approach. -
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Re: Hating fundies
Wed, May 21, 2008 - 12:44 AMI've heard the "Good News". I'm aware of the offer. Your duty is done, sir. Congratulations. Now leave me alone.
If God is anything like the scriptures describe, I'll happily side with the opposition.
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