A reoccuring injury...as well as a new student in class has brought up some interesting new questions for me that I am hoping someone can help me with.

I have personally noticed since starting Belly Dance and developing the proper muscles to do certain movements, I now have limitations in my shoulder and back muscles. Way back in the stone age, I was a softball catcher for several years and was able to throw a ball quite far overhand. My son is a baseball player and always wants me to play catch with him. If I even attempt it now, I throw my shoulder out. Just the motion is awkward and I no longer have the range I once had. I don't believe it is from lack of use but more likely 6 years of Tribal arms. LOL

Recently a new student started to come to class and she is a professional body builder. She seems to be picking things up well but I can't help but wonder if she will have certain limitations due to her highly (and speciifically) developed physique. It's hard to tell at this point because she is so new.

I confess to knowing practically nothing about muscle development so I am curious if others have experienced such limitations and if anyone has ever worked with a body builder or is one and could enlighten me.
  • As a former "gym bunny" and professional horse trainer for over 15 years, I do know the frustrations of retraining your muscles for a new sport/activity. When I began to get seriously into Yoga and then Belly Dance, I had the darndest time with my overdeveloped and extremely tight hamstrings, quads and upper back muscles. It took YEARS to build those muscles in a certain fashion and it took a long time to "rebuild" them for these new physical movements that required more stretching and flexing than contracting and holding.

    Some things were super easy, because they used muscles groups in a way that had become second nature; from the start I could do lower abdominal contractions like a demon! But other things were near impossible or even painful because they asked my muscles to work in the polar opposite of what I had always done (such as straighten my arms gracefully above my head or do decent layback). It was feast or famine for almost the first two years! I am just NOW beginning to feel more balanced in my power/flexibility ratios.

    The other factor to consider is that when you ask muscles to "de-evolve" and reshape themselves, it's easy to overdo it and you can injure yourself without realizing you are doing so, until it's too late. I learned that the hard way by pushing too fast to lengthen and stretch my hammies, and ended up tearing them. Six months of recoup and lower back issues from that little mistake. NO FUN!

    From personal experience, my advice is to work on creating balance in your body, but not to push it. Just because we once excelled at one sport, doesn't mean we are going to immediately be superstars in another. Our bodies take time to rewire, rebuild and adjust, especially as we get "older".

    And I've learned the advantages and wonders of a really good massage therapist, too. They should be lauded as gods/goddesses! LOL
    • LOL...we are blessed to have a new student member who is indeed a massage therapist. She constantly grabs a hold of me because my neck and shoulders are in such bad shape. In fact, I can't take a workshop anymore without the instructor stopping and running over to rub my shoulders. A little fatigue and my shoulders are in my ears.

      Thank you La Phox...truly informative and what you wrote really sheds some light on my questions and concerns. Now...how would I proceed though with instruction with a body builder, especially of her caliber? I am more concerned about injury with her then I am with students who have little flexibility and muscle development.
      • If she isn't already, I'd suggest to her to get involved in some form of Yoga that suits her nature. I found "hot" Yoga helped with relaxation of those muscles I was retraining and had the intensity I was accustomed to from gym work to keep me interested and motivated.

        I think also it's important to reaffirm with her that it's OKAY if she hits a point where she ISN'T getting a move down as she assumed she would. People in highly conditioned physical form often feel that they can do ANYTHING, because they are "fit". But fit is relative to the activity you are trained in. I know I was often frustrated when I discovered I couldn't do a move that other beginners found easy. If you stress that everyone learns this dance at a different pace, regardless of fitness level, it will help her to have a realistic notion of how much she can accomplish and how to avoid pushing herself to the point of injury.

        It's going to be a fine balancing act between keeping it interesting enough for her and not letting her abilities trick you or her into thinking she can progress faster than is wise.

        Good luck to you both!
        • " If you stress that everyone learns this dance at a different pace"
          not just a different pace, but sometimes in a different order. my friend and I seem to be good at all the opposite moves. she's great a Egyptian (small and big) shimmies, i have been working on them forever-it seems- and they are still uneven. but she can't do a shoulder shimmy to save her life, and i could do one for 10minutes if the music kept going. ^_^ we joke that if you put us together, you would have one dancer who was great at everything- then another dancer who couldn't do jack ^_^ it's great though that everyone learns in a different order- not just in dance, but in life- (and im my opinion, over lifetimes) because that way we can all teach each other. if we learned in the same order, no one would attain Buddha-hood!.. i mean, learn to dance ^_~
          • I so wish teachers would take that into consideration. Most dance teachers that I have had (not just bellhydancers) are completely self-centered in their ideas on what is easy and what needs to be trained. As a student I have even received ridicule (in tango) for not being able to do things easily right away that were supposed to be no problem in the eyes of the teacher (think pivoting in stilettos for a small short legged dancer vs a tall long legged dancer while keeping perfect balance ).
            When I watched Russian videos one day with a friend who had been trained in classical ballet since the age of four, it was a real eye opener: she would comment on the ballet dancers' different strenghts and weaknesses: this one is really good at high, long jumps/ grand jetes (whatever the proper terminology is) because he has such and such body, that one cannot do them so well because his body is liike such and such but he is really good at the other move- and so on.
            Ballet dancers study anatomy, it seems. While in other genres there are sometimes no proper criteria for who can call themselves a professional teacher, and what knowledge a good teacher should have.
            But a conscientious teacher should still spend time acquiring knowledge, self taught or otherwise, on various styles and various individual qualities of dancers, and not simply generalise from their own personal experience, IMO. This would be a basic requirement in any other field of research.
  • i'm wondering, does stretching help to prevent uuber specialization in the muscles or is it more or less inevitable after enough training in a certain activity?
    • As professional horse trainer/instructor, I stretched all the time. I was very flexible. BUT, I was concentrating mostly on the muscles and body areas that were critical to that activity. In fact, my calf muscles were SO stretched (for flexible heels-down positioning) that I couldn't walk in high heels without excruciating pain! My lower back was so flexible, that when I first tried to do backbends, I over-compressed my lumbar area. I had all the muscles perfectly trained to work in a way that benefited controlling 1200 lb animals with the slightest weight shift or seat bone pressure point, but I couldn't hold my own upper body correctly to keep from damaging my spine in layback!

      Which is why I say it's so important to work on BALANCE; once I started practicing Yoga in earnest, I finally got on the path to that sort of Balance. And, while it's good to concentrate on a certain discipline to become really good at it, it's also an excellent idea to have some diverse activities to offset that primary discipline.

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