I apologize if this has already been discussed, but I can't seem to find a thread on it (and I looked back several pages worth of threads!).

Not sure why, other than maybe I'm just working out more, but the balls of my feet, especially my right foot, are hurting! I'm not wearing new or different shoes. I am working out more... gym workouts (not necessarily dancing) and doing some extra walking. But this is just weird. Does anyone have any suggestions for dealing with this? I don't even want to walk around in my usual bare feet... I want cushy SLIPPERS on!

Any suggestions? Ideas? All will be greatly appreciated!
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~Sasha~
Phoenix
  • Re: Pain in balls of feet?!?!?

    Fri, March 21, 2008 - 9:17 PM
    I've been having the same problem this week. I've waited tables for far longer than I want to admit & sometimes the bottoms of my feet feel bruised. I don't really have an answer, but I'm interested to hear if others do!
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    Sat, March 22, 2008 - 2:28 PM
    One possible explanation - you may have a bunion. Is the knuckle where the big toe attaches to the rest of the foot protruding? Does the big toe appear to be either shorter than the one next to it, or twisted in some way? These are symptoms of a bunion.

    There is a thread about bunions here: tribes.tribe.net/healthybe...28f44b3212

    My symptom was that the sore spot would develop around where the knuckle of the 2nd toe (the one next to the big toe) joined the rest of the foot. It would become swollen when I walked on it a lot, and then a callous would form there, and then the callous would press painfully deep into my foot. Trimming the callous would provide some relief, but the problem would come back.

    Stuff I learned when trying to deal with this:

    1. There is a second arch in the foot known as the transverse arch. It spans from the big toe to the little toe, across the width of the foot.

    2. When you have a bunion, the transverse arch "falls", meaning it no longer holds the knuckles of the foot above the floor the way it should. This is because the protrusion of the big toe joint causes the foot to quit supporting the transverse arch, ie, no longer holding it up. It's like kicking one of the supports out from under a bridge.

    3. When the transverse arch falls, the knuckle where the second toe joins the rest of the foot (ie, where it connects to the 2nd metatarsil which is a foot bone) makes contact with the floor. If the transverse arch is healthy, this knuckle doesn't hit the floor directly - instead, the big toe knuckle absorbs the impact of your weight. But when the 2nd toe knuckle hits the floor, it's not supposed to do that, so the repeated impact causes the joint to swell. This hurts.

    If the above describes your situation, the bunion thread may help. If you indeed have a joint swollen from too much impact with the floor, try slathering that part of your foot in arnica ointment from the health food store. It may help with the swelling.
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      Sat, March 22, 2008 - 2:58 PM
      Shira,

      Thanks for the info. I've had bunions nearly my whole life. Thanks to genetics (my mother) and the fact that my first pair of pointe shoes were custom-made by Capezio since they weren't made small enough to fit my foot.... and I spent many years in pointe shoes! So, yes, I do have bunion issues. They don't usually bother me unless I foolishly buy a pair of shoes that are just cut too tightly in that area. But this is my first experience with ball-of-foot pain. I wonder if I might have that transverse arch issue you mention. I will bring it up with my doc during my next physical (which I am overdue for one).

      I appreciate your info and insight!

      ~S~
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    Sun, March 23, 2008 - 11:38 AM
    I had this problem and thought it was from too tight shoes. I bought a pair of shoes the same as always, same size, same shoe etc. and they were tight. I thought they'd stretch; they didn't. I went to the doctor after discarding the shoes and was told that I had arthritis in my foot. I started wearing sneakers as much as possible and my bunion has gone down and the pain has gone away. But I wear kind of clumpy, flexible, (i.e. shoes with give) comfortable shoes as much as possible. I cannot enjoy the well-heeled, professional look any longer (at least not on a daily basis). I'm re-reading your post and see that perhaps my situation is not the same as yours. My suggestion is 1) see a doctor and 2) follow your body's advice. In other words, wear your cushy slippers as much as possible. Pamper your feet. Good luck and keep us posted!
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    Sun, March 23, 2008 - 12:52 PM
    You might try a massage first and see if the tendons in your foot are tense/spasms. Take a golf ball and place on the floor. Put your foot on top of it and roll it back and forth and around getting as much of the sole of your foot as you can.
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    Sun, March 23, 2008 - 2:00 PM
    In January I was taking a month long Master Class series with Maria Jamal and she works alot on shimmies and were were doing alot of choo choos. The balls of my feet started to hurt really bad and I decided that I was not going back to that class until I got a pair of dance sneakers. I bought a pair of Capezio dance sneakers and have been hooked on them ever since! And I the best thing is I do not feel weird when I do dance barefoot. And I noticed that my calves are more defined. Probably because they put my feet in the proper alignment and provide amazing arch support. (Lol- No, I do not work for Capezio! lol)

    Maybe you should look into getting a pair for dance class. And try to go to one of those runners stores that sells running and cross training shoes to talk with someone about the sensitivity you feel when you work out. They might be able to give you some good advice and/or some tips to help.
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      Sun, March 23, 2008 - 2:25 PM
      I agree that the cushioning of dance sneakers is wonderful!

      But I need to offer one caution - they're great if you're doing high impact stuff like a lot of traveling steps, but terrible if you're doing a lot of pivoting (half turns, full turns, etc.) Their sole is intended to grip the floor. If you try to do a full or half turn while wearing them, the shoe will stick the floor as you go around and torque the knee.

      I wore a pair for a Mahmoud Reda workshop, and my knees hurt for a week afterward because his style has so many half-turns in it. Ouch!
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        Sun, March 23, 2008 - 3:47 PM
        Actually a true dance shoe should NOT stick to the floor during turns. Many of the dance sneakers have a turn spot to help ease rotation. If they stick, you'll place all the torque on the knee and are absolutely NOT the kind of shoes to wear while dancing.
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    Sun, March 23, 2008 - 2:37 PM
    I'm sorry to hear of your problem. No one thinks about foot pain until they have it, then realize what an inconvenient situation it really is.
    I have pain in the balls of my feet and have had that problem for about a year. (I've also had Morton's Neuroma problems.) Dancing on releve is not fun. I'm glad my teacher is so understanding.
    I told my doctor that it feels as though the padding (the tissue, muscle) on the bottom of my feet has thinned out and there just isn't enough protective padding left over the bones to navigate comfortably.
    He said that I was probably right---as we age, the tissues, etc., on the bottom of the foot do thin out.
    I'm almost 62 and have always worked out. I have noticed that even with my expensive running shoes, walking on a treadmill at the gym makes my feet hurt. Some treadmills are less cushiony that others, so you may want to think about the possiblity of varying your workout time or intensity or changing treadmills. Use the best athletic shoes possible, ones that are fit by physical therapists or a trained company-certified technician. Use them if you have to walk to work after getting off the bus, taxi or train. Anytime you need to walk any distance, use the athletic shoes.
    You may have to ice after workouts or dancing.
    Don't overlook the benefit of self foot massage.

    Of course, wearing fashionably high heels is out, at least for the moment. With bunions, you already know that you must find more suitable shoes. And wearing shoes that compress your feet laterally is also bad for your situation.
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    Sun, March 23, 2008 - 7:06 PM
    Do you wear heels a lot or shoes without good padding and support? I know this happened to me before I switched to wearing sneakers and put inserts in my boots (saving the heeled boots for only special occasions). You may not need a full dance sneaker, toe undies may be enough for you if you don't like how the sneakers feel when you dance. I've found that by wearing the supportive shoes most of the time, then my feet are fine for what I ask of them in dance class.

    Also, I never checked this out, but a co-worker told me what I had sounded like what she had and that I should ask my doctor about something called "planter's foot" (or some word like that). She never goes around barefoot, even at home. She comes home, takes off her work shoes and slips on her Crocs.
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      Mon, March 24, 2008 - 6:00 AM
      I think you are referring to this:
      www.heel-that-pain.com/planta...tis.php
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        Mon, March 24, 2008 - 8:27 AM
        I've had plantar fascitis and it's no fun. It finally subsided and when I stopped wearing regular shoes except on special occasions and wear athletic shoes nearly all the time.
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          Mon, March 24, 2008 - 8:39 AM
          My mom has this thing where the fat pads in her feet are shrinking, which makes it very uncomfortable and painful for her to walk around in poor quality footwear. Her doctor told her to get some sandals, like birkenstocks, that have that separation foot pad for toes (like a toe speedbump), and that seems to help her.
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        Tue, March 25, 2008 - 6:20 AM
        Ah, thanks for the info. No, that doesn't sound quite like my foot's issue. I think this is yet another case of this coworker thinking she can diagnose any medical problem (she seems to generally be of the opinion that if you have X pain or symptom, it can only be caused by one thing) even though she's a geologist. ^_^
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          Tue, March 25, 2008 - 7:23 AM
          I would say she thinks X pain can only be caused by one thing BECAUSE she's a geologist – hasn't studied much medicine, probably. :P
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            Tue, March 25, 2008 - 6:29 PM
            Sorry, I worded that oddly. I was trying to say that even though she's a geologist, she thinks she can diagnose medical problems. She also tried to tell me exactly what caused my menstrual cramps each month and told me I was wrong when I said certain things made them worse. As if I haven't had 20 years to notice what makes them flare up.
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              Fri, March 28, 2008 - 10:03 PM
              Back to the ball of foot pain thing, it may sound crazy, but I have a pair of Sketchers flip flops that have really thick soles. They are sorta platform-like. They are CUSHY to the max. It's the one shoe I can wear that doesn't hurt my feet. Looks like I'll be wearing them to work for a while. Good thing I live in Phoenix where it's been in the mid to upper 80's lately!

              I think I may have found the cause as well. I think it might be my latest pair of cross-trainers. I'm going to pick up some ball of foot cushions... maybe the gel type... and try those. Since I workout so much it might explain the pain since I've been wearing these new shoes. They have great arch supports (which is why I bought them) but I'm wondering if they just lack ball of foot cushioning and has caused my pain. Hmmmmm.....
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                Sun, May 4, 2008 - 11:30 PM
                I'm so glad I started this thread because it gives me an idea as to how long I've had this weird pain.

                Here's the latest.

                Last Sat. night, I danced 2 energetic sets at my fave place. Sunday morning I couldn't walk normally on my right foot. I can put pressure on the heel, but not on the ball of my foot. I already made an appt. with my doc, had an Xray taken...nada. He put me on anti-inflams and sait to try to rest it and give it 2 weeks. Well, this is the 2nd week and I've already made an appt. with a podiatrist. It's not until 5/12 but I'm going to see if they can possibly put me on a cancellation list (give me the appt. if someone else cancels). Looks like I won't be doing any dancing for a while! Walking comes first!

                GRRRNESSSSSSS!!!!

                (PS) I picked up a 2nd pair of those Sketcher flip-flops... just in case the pair I've been wearing every day breaks!
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      Tue, March 25, 2008 - 8:08 AM
      Planter's foot? I think, your doctor probably said plantar fascitis. I have read about that among tango dancer's discussions. It is some kind of inflammation of the bone in the heel of the foot.
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        Tue, March 25, 2008 - 8:11 AM
        Oh, sorry, missed some of those postings above.
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          Tue, May 6, 2008 - 10:48 AM
          Pain in the ball of the foot makes me think of what is called a morton neuroma
          The ball of your foot is the bottom part just behind your toes. Bands of tissue (ligaments) connect the bones in the ball of your foot. Nerves run between the bones and underneath the ligaments. When a nerve becomes pinched, this causes it to swell and become painful. The painful, swollen nerve is called a neuroma.
          What Causes a Neuroma?
          Wearing tight or high-heeled shoes can cause a neuroma. Shoes that are too narrow or too pointed squeeze the bones in the ball of the foot. Shoes with high heels put extra pressure on the ends of the bones. When the bones are squeezed together, they pinch the nerve that runs between them.
          Symptoms
          The most common symptom of a neuroma is pain in the ball of the foot between two toes. The pain may be dull or sharp. It may feel as if you have a stone in your shoe. You may also have tingling or numbness in one or both of the toes. Symptoms may occur after you have been walking or standing for a while. Taking off your shoes and rubbing the ball of your foot may relieve the pain.
          Preventing Future Problems
          To prevent a future neuroma, buy shoes with plenty of room across the ball of the foot and in the toes. This keeps the bones from being squeezed together. Wearing low-heeled shoes also puts less pressure on the bones and nerves in the ball of the foot.




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            Tue, May 6, 2008 - 12:05 PM
            Interesting about the neuroma... I had a severe one of those when I was about fourteen. The other ones, whenever I would have that burning in the ball of my foot, I would call a "hotfoot." Never got treated for it...

            But my feet are a disaster, they have always been flat. I have worn orthotics for about ten years, but now my main focus is gluing big hard rubber arch supports in my shoes where my arch should have been. When I was taking dance class and was much heavier, I had trouble with the traveling steps on the balls of my feet. Now my feet are rolling toward the inside because I have no arch, and my ankle hurts a lot. This all came on a year ago when I switched from driving a standard shift to an automatic! I'd always driven a stick, and the clutching kept it limbered up. within a month of giving up the clutch, I started hobbling around.

            It may be, although your problems are much different, that your barefoot days are over. You may find that your feet need support all the time. The only time I'm barefoot now is in the shower. I wear dance sneakers to work out, but I don't know what I'll do when I start classes again.
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              Wed, May 7, 2008 - 10:33 PM
              Interesting that your feet would go bad after you stop using the clutch. It probably means they appreciate a certain kind of exercise they are not getting now. In Japan you can buy a piece of a large bamboo stalk, split down the middle and made into a foot stepping board. I also read, ballet dancers "roll" their feet on a bottle to get them into shape for dancing. Some tango dancers I know "roll" their feet on a bottle of frozen water after they come back from a tango evening, to soothe the pain.
              I have noticed, the more my arches sink, the stiffer my feet get, and when I press with my thumbs I find all these really sore and tingling spots. Terrible. Maybe time to buy some of these really thick curvily molded health sandals they sell here, too, to achieve the same effect like that botlle etc.
              If anyone has any more suggestions for exercises to get the arches into shape, I would appreciate it.
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                Fri, May 9, 2008 - 8:16 PM
                I blogged this.

                I'm gonna need surgery. The pain in the ball of my foot (and the accompanying swollen, slightly purple 2nd toe) was caused by..... <drum roll please> ...... bunions! I was lucky enough to inherit my mother's feet (thanks Mom...couldn't you have given me your gorgeous hazel eyes instead?). I was told 20 years ago that I should have that surgery then. I'm kicking myself now for not doing it way back in the day.

                My podiatrist had several X-rays taken and he took the time to explain everything he saw. The fact that my metarasal bone that connects to my big toe is angling outward (causing aforementioned bunion), it's prohibiting the "natural" rolling motion during walking. It's forcing my foot to shift the pressure to the neighboring metatarsal (the ones leading to the 2nd and middle toes). That additional pressure has caused calcifications to grow on that 2nd metatarsal bone, plus do some damage to the 2nd toe bone as well. Add to that the extra strain has torn some tissue that encapsulates the 2nd toe joint , which has caused the pain I'm feeling, plus swelling and the lovely shade of purple on that toe.

                Sooooooooo.... looks like I'm taking a little vacation from dancing and any serious cardio working out (no treadmill, elliptical, stand-up spinning, etc.) and it might be a while before I do squats and lunges. I'm going to try to get the procedure on the calendar as quickly as possible so that I can get back to business as soon as possible too. I'm going to be getting creative with gym workouts though! Pull-ups, push-ups (girly ones, on the knees), and seated weight machines or free weights on the bench will be my best workout friends for the next several months. I'm hoping to put on some serious muscles!!! Gotta find the silver lining in this cloud, right?

                Anyway, thanks for all the comments and education on the feet. Who knew feet were so complicated?
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                Wed, June 25, 2008 - 11:35 PM
                to strengthen feet AND calves, on the bottom step, put the ball of your foot on the step, letting the heel drop below the step with your weight supported on the ball; hold the other foot slightly behind and out of the way. Hold onto a handrail throughout this exercise. Now go up onto the ball of the foot and slowly lower until the heel isdown again. Start with just a few,because these can be pretty taxing!
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                  Thu, June 26, 2008 - 6:09 AM
                  Or, if it sounds like you're not ready for that level of work yet, you can do a variation of that on the edge of a phone book. You won't be able to go down nearly as far, but you can still come up all the way.
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                    Fri, June 27, 2008 - 12:00 AM
                    What you're suggesting are calf raises. I **USED** to do that before the capsule around my toe joint tore open. At one time, I was doing calf raises with 110lbs of weight! Aaaahhhhh.... the good ole' days!

                    I recenlty went back to the doc and he used the ultrasound machine on my foot. He saw "much more fluid" there than one should excpect, as a direct result of the tear in the capsule. Sooooooo..... surgery is set for 7/29. I can't WAIT for it to be over and for the healing to begin. I want my life back!!

                    .... and a pair of Manolos! :o)
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    Fri, May 9, 2008 - 9:11 PM
    I've had the same problem for many years..it originally started from dancing but then began to happen when I would wear high heels. The doc told me it was pretty common for dancers. The area between the ball of the foot and the toes becomes inflammed and is then sore. I was doing okay for awhile when I started belly dancing, but now that I am taking classes several times a week, I sometimes I get the same thing. My remedies include Tiger Balm (or other soothing foot treatments), the occasional ibuprofen and comfy shoes when they are sore. Best of luck!!
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      Fri, May 9, 2008 - 10:30 PM
      Thanks, Christine! But the bones are so out-of-whack that there's no way to treat the symptoms without them returning. To fix the problem, I need to have surgery. I'm on prescription Celebrex plus my foot was shot with cortisone. That's provided me with SOME relief, but I know it's only temporary. I don't want to aggravate it before surgery.
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        Sun, May 11, 2008 - 3:28 AM
        I read this with interest as my feet just lately are "tired", achey and sore. Not in any particular spot but all over.

        I just tried the golf ball method and wow.... what a difference. Thank you for suggesting it!

        Sasha I hope your surgery goes well for you.
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          Fri, June 27, 2008 - 8:38 AM
          The golf ball method? I have been browsing through this thread and cannot find it. Can someone direct me please to who wrote this where? thanks. Yeah, dancers and foot problems... Daniel Nagrin wrote a book called "How to dance forever" and what surprised me was, most of it was about foot problems...
          The past couple of years I have not been able to even find any proper, comfortable and stable sandals to wear in summer. The fashion has been all flimsy high heels or flimsy thin flats, and I mean, totally flat, I feel tired just by looking at them. I have been starting to wonder if the designers' idea behind this is something like the Chinese traditional binding of women's feet... They don't want us to be able to walk strongly or run anymore???
          I have been down to Sketchers too, but I do not find them perfectly comfotable either. The soles may be more comfortable but the straps rub off my skin all the time. Any suggestions? (I have the additional problem of being a Tokyo resident, where the maximum shoe size is usually 7 or so, but Germany has been no better for shoe shopping the last couple of years, the fashion was practically the same like here)
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            Fri, June 27, 2008 - 9:02 AM
            The easy way around the fancy shoe problem is to just not wear them. "Men like them." I don't care… let the men wear them. "They're cute!" Not if you look at them for the problems they cause… It saves money not buying shoes that are that bad for you, too. I have a good pair of sandals that I paid $15 for and a good pair of running/walking shoes that I paid $25 for.

            At the very least, it's important to have enough room in your shoes to add the necessary supportive devices to make them as comfortable as possible.
          • hahaha, i got a pair of shoes in Osaka that were a size..... large. they didn't even come in sizes-i couldn't afford the ones that had sizes anyway.
            there are these things called orthodics. they are custom made shoe inserts. you walk across this pad that measures where the pressure on your feet is, and they create a specific insert for each foot that corrects for you. the problem with them (other than probably you not having access to them) is that they don't fit well into heels, since they have a slight heel (like a man's shoe would) on them already, also you wouldn't be able to put them in sandals without glue and them looking weird, and a lot of shoes you would need to take out their insole to make room for these, and some shoes you just can't do that.
            in theory, they are great, which is why i'm bothering to say anything, but it is something that guys shoes would MUCH more easily accommodate, and us ladies have to either wear boats or not use them (i still haven't taken them out of my snow boots)

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