*I have a feeling that this topic will become a whole other posting and conversation, eh?

Deffinately :-P Hmm you have a family grimoire?? Cool :-) The Stregheria tradition seems very cloosed, would be interesting to hear your story about it. Im interested in all these subjects.

The christians and astrology, i think it,s funny with the fish bumper sticker saying, i heart jesus.. and then they go like, astrology is satanic!! LOL x-D Irony in action u know.. I was watching a documentary called zeitgeist recently. Basically one of those conspiracy theory movies.. but they brought up something really interesting on this. Look into it if you already havent. It sugests that the bible is full of astrological associations. It was even considered a science up untill.. ehh.. anyways.. and since the church was the authority before the schooolars they aught to have beeen big on it. In Europe there are several astrological clocks.. on churches.

www.chizzyandbryan.com/archiv...ock.jpg

As for the black arts.. all the original (medieval) manuscripts and such was likely boiled together by monks dabbling in all sort of stuff. Back in the days the church was probably sitting on an esoteric literature treasure. Tought there seems to be alot of misconceptions and pervertion to the original sources. Bal -zeboul, and even horus showing up as sigils later on.

Crusades - first one was in 1080 a.d. It is also in a period when the church grew increasingly intolerant.

** Though I do not ever think that it could replace the organized religions for there are too many people in fear of many things, caught up in the physcial and psychobabble mind control

I use to refere to them as weggies or jellyfish. I say give people a chance, and then ignore them. Let them swim around in ignorance ocean. Perhaps they get more lucky in some other incarnation.

** I would love to see the day for that one event many religions talk about occurring but that will not happen, at least not in this lifetime

Dont wanna be a pessimist but that would probably be after all the organized religious people has killed each other over.. who is the most holy and who said what. *grin*

Some notes in short. Rome has a modern torch festival on august the 13,th or around the new moon. It is dedicated to Diana but also to Hekate. It,s an noumenia festival. Procession goes down the road - via Diana to lake Nemi. There suppose to be one in Greece too.. but nothing much on the internet. Havent found any really good links about it. Would have been fun to join up for some sort of event.

The 3 days of the dark moon is the days to do your altar stuff. Midnight is the set hour. Crossroads do too, but i keep them for the august celebration. I think the fullmoon is valid too. Anytime do. Midnight is a bit hard too keep so anywhen you feel in tune or feels an urge do. I try to go on the guts. Something worth looking into is the Lagina temple. It,s been a cult cite since the early bronze ages. It,s also known for something called the procession of the key. Read the links in the Lagina tread to find out more in details. This key procession is also known to have taken place at the eleusian mysteries. Hekate had an temple there aswell. Tought most of the images i get in my head dosent have to do as much with temples. My path ( crisscross path) is intuitive to nature. It,s a sort of witchcraft that dosent call for much for ritual tools. Pretty much similar to shamanism or voodoo.


I wouldent hang myself up too much about her origins. See some say she is a deity from Egypt, Heqet – believed to have been passed Down from the earlier numidians earlier. Others sugest she had her origin in Caria ( turkey, lagina e.t.c) There is also an teory that it has too do with an Persian mystery cult. Some say she is Thracian, perhaps she came as a deity with the horse nomads? Why else the connection to horses? No one knows. It could even be a merge. A bronze age main goddess. I tend to believe that the spirit of a goddess can manifest in many ways. Statues is just our way trying to depict something. Gifted by zeus she aquiered many gifts later aswell. It,s a real deity, so what dosent sugest she has gained skills trought time?
She is a complex nature and so is her myriad of ways.

Also note that she is a titan, allying herself fighting to protect zeus. A sort of wandering deity but with her nature and home in Hades.

Modern Hekate seems mostly to be depicted as the crone aspect, witchery thing. Loong story short.. she is of both heaven earth and sea. All societys has set their stamp on her from back then and forward. She helps in everything from childbirths to cursing.

The Lagina decorations is of an later date in antiquity. It,s all an puzzle. In a dream I had it was suggested that Hekate was turned into the virgin Mary by the Byzantine church. There is a lot to say, but don’t want to write an novel. Hekate worship is personal and very diverted.
Thus hard to depict fully. She also played a role as the middle platonic soul at the chaldean oracle –
www.amazon.com/Hekate-Sot.../1555404278

Many faces, many names. Many skills and then wieved by different people. It,s all confusing.
But always remember to listen to the heart, to the gut. Anyone willing to partake with anything of an esoteric quest and asking her to help will get more help then we can shake it at.
She can also help connect to other deitys.


Some of the dates listed at the back in this book.

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Hi again Kitawna. Why is all the secrecy in Strega? Sounds a bit like free mansory.

*many Italians who followed the customs and ways of life back then did so under the guise of Catholicism

Sounds a bit like the tradition in Santeria.

Could you tell more about what you do in strega? Would it be possible to start a topic about it specifically?
Im new to the concept per see- but probably not to the idea since I read a lot about greek and roman witchcraft. My gut tells me strega - stregone is the real deal when it comes to witchcraft of the old school.

Christians are just like any other other group of opressors. May it be political or religious motives.. it,s still the same. They are simply a mob of blind and dangerous ( stupid) people and leaders. I refere to non arguable people as `` a program´´ pretty predictable.

Personally im all open with my beliefs on a social level. As long as i feel the person is receptive and will not make fun of me by beeing enlightened sceptics. Else i say that im interested in `` esoteric´´ matters. I do encounter ( once per week approximately) some Christian or another claiming that what i do is dangerous, it,s in league with the devil e.t.c ( who teatch them to say that all the time? )

*best way to reply is -

How do you know?
*The bible says so.
Where?
( aprox here they try to change subject since the don’t know for sure)

if not.. conter with.. that never happened to me this far, are u sure? :-/ or ohh..
did you see that in an Indiana jones movie?

Then it just to go like.. did you know that most of the saints are old pagan gods? ( they hate them) I find it interesting reading - and i have also noticed that all the rituals are pervertions of old pagan traditions and rituals.

The devil,s hows and why is also a fun thing to debate.

I also like to get my head into the debate about homosexuals.

All they really got to go on it is the 1,th Corinth letter. 6:9.. a cryptic sentence uttered by
Paulus in a letter! Not the word of god, but by Paulus. I then use to ask if it,s more important then the message of love in the bible? Apparently not.

If one wants to take a stubborn one out is to say.. ( since it,s all about guilt anyways) Nah.. it,s no point, we are all dead and in purgatory already. You are already a sinner and thrown into hell.. why else would you have to get to work everyday 6 in the morning? x-D

The best one ever is - did everyone before the bible got written end up in hell? Would there still be sins if mankind diddent know what sin was?

I also tend to believe that satan wrote the bible. To deceive people and bring them away from gods light. Makes sence atleast.

sorry.. carrying of topic.