Herbs safe for pets

topic posted Thu, October 15, 2009 - 11:04 PM by  Moonica
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I have been using echinaicia with my cat on and off for a year or so. I have been afraid to experimetn to much with herbs as I don't know exactly what is safe with her. She has had swollen lymph nodes for a couple of years now. The vets don't really know whats going on and with out spending a lot of money on tests I want to try to do things naturally first. I started this new topic as I read Linda's post on swollen lymph nodes in the Astringent thread. (I have swollen nodes myself at themoment so it was very helpful!)
Just curious if those same herbs for humans are safe for cats. I think what was mentioned was:

corn silk
parsley
burdock
Dandelion
Cleavers

Also I belive nettles is a diuretic.

What herbs have you used on or internally for your pets?
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Moonica
Portland
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  • Re: Herbs safe for pets

    Fri, October 16, 2009 - 8:46 AM
    The food herbs are a safe bet. We put ground nettle and seaweed in our dogs food. Not sure what the best way for you to get this into your cat's food would be as they can be more selective about what they eat. If you are feeding a raw diet or wet food it would probably be easier. Also check the ingredients in your cat's food, it could be contributing to the inflamation.
    Blessings
    Linda
    • Re: Herbs safe for pets

      Fri, October 16, 2009 - 8:59 AM
      Regarding cat food, my vet suggested I put my cat on a no grain diet and some raw food.
      He's doing very well with this and his cyst disappeared after taking him off the grain rich food.
      He also lost weight because he's eating real food and not just fillers.
      Can't help you with cat herbs as I've never tried this.
      Bye.
      Theresa Nartana
  • Re: Herbs safe for pets

    Sat, October 17, 2009 - 2:43 PM
    Alcohol is dangerous to cats, so please don't give alcohol tinctures to your cat.
    • Re: Herbs safe for pets

      Sat, October 17, 2009 - 7:37 PM
      This is a timely topic for me, since a wonderful feral kitty recently adopted us and has moved in for the winter. I've been reading everything I can about holistic pet care- and looking forward to Juliette de Bairicli-Levy's books on the subject when I get my hands on them.

      Our cat has a really tenacious upper respiratory infection- we've ruled out some of the nastiest suspects through blood tests (FIV, etc.). I was using garlic in his food for a while, but found that it can cause anemia in cats if used long term or in large amounts. Also learned what Margi warned about- I had been drop dosing tinctures into his food to help him, not realizing this was harmful. Now I'm only doing infused herbs or dried. The nasal discharge fianlly transitioned from thick green to clear thin, but this last stage has been really tenacious. It's been several months. I found out that many wild cats carry a strain of the herpes virus, which causes upper resp. symptoms. So maybe will try lemon balm/sjw infusion mixed into his food.

      I was very assertive at the vet's about no vaccinations and no neutering while he's sick. It was interesting- they were taken by surprise by my strong opinions and acted like I was nuts, but then later said I was correct in my suspicion that all those things would have supressed his immune system. Hmm.

      My time limit is almost up with the natural stuff until I'll try the antibiotics they prescribed. He has really bad, painful teeth in addition to having a clogged up head, so it might be okay to use the medicine to help him get over the hump with both inflammations (assuming there's bacterial issues provoking).
      • Re: Herbs safe for pets

        Sat, October 17, 2009 - 7:43 PM
        Moonica- I got caught up in my own cat issues there- a bit obsessed lately- sorry. I've found lots of contradictory information in books and online about what to give and not give cats, so I read what I can and then make my own decison, using small amounts in short-term doses. He is very good at letting me know if he doesn't like the herb, and I try to respect that.
        • Re: Herbs safe for pets

          Sat, October 17, 2009 - 8:45 PM
          Thanks for your input. I use glycerin tinctures, as I read online that it is ok. Hopefully it is ok? Anyone use them?

          So infusions, do you make them really strong since they probably won't willingly consume a lot?

          My cat has been on antibiotics twice this year and they haven't gone down. I was offered them a 3rd time but don't want to create super viruses. She seems healthy other than the 3 worrisome large lymph nodes.
          • Re: Herbs safe for pets

            Sun, October 18, 2009 - 12:06 AM
            Hi Moonica,

            Can't really comment on the types of herbs to use for what with your cats, but yes, vegetable glycerine is used instead of alcohol for children and anyone with an alcohol intolerance. It is said to work just as well, it just reduces the shelf life of the tinctures, which really isn't a problem if you are making them to use straightaway. I would keep the tincture in the fridge and that way 6-8 weeks will be absolutely fine for the time to administer the tincture.

            Blessings

            Lorraine
            • Re: Herbs safe for pets

              Sun, October 18, 2009 - 12:27 AM
              I was curious so I have gone to the herbal almanac for 2009 and here's some suggestions for cats:

              Garlic in modest amounts for the usual...antibacterial, antifungal and antiviral, helping the immune system which might help if you can get your cat to eat it? Good luck with that!!!

              Parsley for bad breath which might help with the teeth?

              Sage to help heal sores and remove dandruff, and to help with digestive problems.

              Peppermint for wind! and to relieve stress.

              Red clover used to help older animals heal from illness or injury.

              So it seems to me that if you do a tincture you can use any gentle herb in the vegetable base, but I personally wouldn't make it as strong as their size and difference must be taken into account. Thats just my opinion though, I have no doubt that most people here know way more than me in most things herbal, I am a mere beginner!

              Lorraine x
              • Re: Herbs safe for pets

                Sun, October 18, 2009 - 11:06 AM
                Someone recently shared with me that raw carrots are wonderful for a dog's teeth. Apparently, they assist in keeping tartar off of them. My dog doesn't care for the texture of carrots, but if mixed into his food, will eat them. I also use Flint River Ranch which is a holistic dog food and excellent. Holistic food, it turns out, also decreases how often a dog has to poop.
                • Re: Herbs safe for pets

                  Sun, October 18, 2009 - 7:13 PM
                  Yes, glycerites are safe, according to the holistic vet I asked recently. Garlic is very controversial. I would not do it long term and only use very small doses- it is well-known to cause anemia in cats and is not something they naturally would partake of. That said, many people add it to their food (I used to before I knew the dangers) to keep away fleas and parasites.

                  As for the infusions, I don't make them extra strong. I just mix them into wet food. A cat needs much, much less than us proportionally by weight, so I find it's not hard to sneak in a bit here and there.
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                    Re: Herbs safe for pets

                    Tue, October 20, 2009 - 2:56 PM
                    I have used echinacea and thuja tincture for my cat with abcess's and it works reall well..but I use only one drop and add hot water to it to burn off the alcohol...he seems fine with it...also colloidal silver has been great on wounds...

                    I have a herbal pet tonic tincture here with alfalfa,oats,fenugreek,molasses,licorice,vit e,jojoba oil,barley grass,..this can be used for cats/dog/rabbits/sheep/goats etc..
                    • Re: Herbs safe for pets

                      Tue, October 20, 2009 - 5:27 PM
                      Glis, what do you use this tincture for specifically? Exterior wounds?
                      • Re: Herbs safe for pets

                        Wed, October 21, 2009 - 1:13 AM
                        Hi Trish...the tincture mentioned above is a tonic..I was hoping to use it for my cat's skin allergy but he didnt like the taste...so will prolly use it on the dog now for her skin redness...
                        • Re: Herbs safe for pets

                          Wed, October 21, 2009 - 8:57 AM
                          For me working with pets is similar to working with my body. The least invasive, food substance I can ingest is ideal. If I need to apply something stronger, I will do it in the smallest amount possible, and only for the time frame needed. In my mind if I am ingesting tinctures on a regular basis I am not nourishing myself enough. So with animals, you would not want to give them tinctures very often and the strategy of burning off the alcohol or using glycerites is a good option. Early on when I started working with plants I gave my cats alcohol tinctures in small amounts, without burning off the alcohol to no ill effect. I used small amounts and only for a specific purpose, not as a tonic. Today I primarily offer our dog ground dried herbs in her food. she seems to like dandelion, nettle and seaweed in her homemade food.

                          Blessings
                          Linda
                          • Re: Herbs safe for pets

                            Thu, October 22, 2009 - 9:44 AM
                            Thanks so much for all this good info. I just checked out a holistic pet book at my library so I will let you know what I learn!

                            It was mentioned that glycerine tinctures have a shorter shelf life. Do you know how long that is? I usually make my own and also have a few that I have bought. Not suer if that makes a difference.
                            • Re: Herbs safe for pets

                              Thu, October 22, 2009 - 10:27 AM
                              Well Moonica I would say 6 weeks minimum - keep it in the fridge!

                              Good luck, I hope the book is helpful

                              Lorraine
                              • Re: Herbs safe for pets

                                Fri, October 23, 2009 - 12:29 PM
                                I just read that burdock and red clover are safe and very good to use daily, even as a preventative
                                • Re: Herbs safe for pets

                                  Sun, October 25, 2009 - 3:11 PM
                                  hi moonica

                                  red root is what popped into my head. potentially this would need to be in tincture form. very low dose.

                                  i looked online and cleavers and burdock showed up- both of which can be in food.

                                  i use juliet de baiclari levy's books for my dog - but i do not find them as comprehensive for cats. today - four paws four directions showed up. i have looked at this book and hopefully one day will really check it out - but maybe it has info. for you. greg tillford has a book that i have heard recommended for cats and dogs.

                                  i know that meadowsweet is contra-indicated for dogs because it has salicilic acid. otherwise i don't know what is contra-indicated.

                                  goodluck

                                  lisa
                                  • Re: Herbs safe for pets

                                    Sun, October 25, 2009 - 9:03 PM
                                    yeah the herb shop said red root would be good for my lymph system, so maybe for hers also. But I want to thouroughly research anything before giving it to my cat. i heard that a poltice of red root and possibily poke root might work but again, I want to find research to back it up. Thanks for your book reccomendations!
                                    • Re: Herbs safe for pets

                                      Mon, October 26, 2009 - 9:03 AM
                                      Hi Moonica,
                                      Both Red Root and Poke root are pretty potent herbs. Red Root a little less so, than poke. I would not hesitate to give a very small amount 1-2 drops per day of this to a cat for a short time. Maybe a couple of days. I would hesitate to offer poke root, unless it was again in very small doses, with poke 1 drop of extract. And glycerin as has been discussed rather than alcohol. You can also make a tea and offer a very small amount of the tea. As for a poultice with a cat, it is a good idea, but two things make this challenging 1. getting it to stay on and 2. they will probably put it in their mouth. If you can overcome these things, then a poultice of either of these herbs may be helpful.

                                      All that said, I would try burdock first, internally tea or glycerite. This herb is safe and effective. You would not have the concerns that you would with Poke or Red Rood.

                                      Hopefully that is helpful.
                                      Blessings
                                      Linda

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