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just a thought.
lyme disease is pretty prevalent lately. i remember finding so many ticks last year, and they are arriving much earlier. my husband has already found a deer tick on him, it is just the beginning of april.
as many of you know i love spilanthes...i have a quart jar of dried flower heads that are full of seeds, however i don't know if they will grow..i haven't tried these.....though i do not see why not. and if you get at least one plant, you can take cuttings in water very easily....there are so many seeds on just one flower head, tiny little buggers...like most herbs
spilanthes is known to aid in lyme's disease....i have never tried to treat it, but seems logical for a preventative......eat a flower head every day.
anyone want to try and grow it.....i am willing to send them out
lyme disease is pretty prevalent lately. i remember finding so many ticks last year, and they are arriving much earlier. my husband has already found a deer tick on him, it is just the beginning of april.
as many of you know i love spilanthes...i have a quart jar of dried flower heads that are full of seeds, however i don't know if they will grow..i haven't tried these.....though i do not see why not. and if you get at least one plant, you can take cuttings in water very easily....there are so many seeds on just one flower head, tiny little buggers...like most herbs
spilanthes is known to aid in lyme's disease....i have never tried to treat it, but seems logical for a preventative......eat a flower head every day.
anyone want to try and grow it.....i am willing to send them out
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Lyme Disease
Thu, April 3, 2008 - 8:28 AMHey Amanda,
I grew spilanthes in my greenhouse, last year and I suspect it will self sow and come back again. I only grew a little, so I could get to know the plant, not really growing enough to make anything. But it is a sweet plant, I really am enjoying having it in the greenhouse.
I wanted to mention that I took a class last weekend on Lyme disease and recently listen to David Winston's CD on the topic. From what I can gather, this is a complex state of disease and people are finding relief from a wide spectrum of treatment approaches and modalities. No one thing seems to work for everyone. But one thing that is clear is that prevention is the first line of taking care. Knowing what habitats ticks prefer (tall damp grass), wearing long pants when out and about and keeping pants legs etc tucked in. Checking oneself after you have been in these environments to be sure that you remove unwanted hitchhikers. I also like to put plantain on the area to draw out any bacteria or tic parts that may be left behind if I have pulled an imbedded tic. out. Honey would work as well.
It is beginning to be tic season, so good to keep these precautions in mind. And if you develop symptoms that are lyme related go to your doctor right away and get tested. Some, even herbalists like David Winston are adimant that the best treatment is a course of antitiotics, others are not convinced that this eliminates the bacteria that causes lymes. This is a fascinating realm of study. My friend Carol who has lyme's believes that this is contributing to the evolutionary transformation of humanity. Slowing us down, inviting us to ask questions etc.
Anyone else have insight, thoughts, comments etc on this topic?
Blessings
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Thu, April 3, 2008 - 3:19 PMHi, and greetings.
what are antitiotics? Am I missing some new American cure? Most people I know with Lymes were slightly depressed.Could this be a factor?
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Thu, April 3, 2008 - 3:28 PMOops you caught my spelling error. It is antibiotics. And yes it seems that people whose state of health is weakened are more susceptible to developing lymes.
Blessings
Linda
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Re: Lyme Disease
Thu, April 3, 2008 - 4:18 PMAmanda, I will PM you about seeds.
Susun Weed talked about this when she was here in December.
She says she asks apprentices to do a whole body check daily for tics.
That I guess if you get rid of the tic in a certain amount of time you won't get lyme.
I don't quite remember the details of this....anyone else heard of this.
Also Stephen Buhner wrote a book called Healing Lyme.
Peace, Julie
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Thu, April 3, 2008 - 10:51 PMThe theory is that if you remove the tic within 24 hours it will not have an opportunity to burrow and thus you will not be infected by the bacteria which causes lymes. It is important to remember that we are still learning alot about lymes and it is not as cut and dry as remove the tic and you will not be infected. Many times folks never find the tic that infected them. When I find a tic and it is embedded, i like to apply plantain for it's drawing action, just as a precaution. This is in addition to the preventative measures I mentioned earlier.
And yes Stephen Buhners book contains good on information on treating Lymes as is David Winstons CD leacture on the topic. Stephen Buhner also has a question and anwser thread on the website planet thrive, where he responds to questions folks have about the dis-ease.
My friend Carol who taught a program at my home this past weekend on this topic talked alot about how important good fats as well as ingesting fermented foods are to maintaining health, for both prevention and treatment of Lymes. She has been treating herself naturally for a number of years, after a round of antibiotics and is doing really well. Herbs, fermentation, raw dairy, local fruits and vegetables are all a big part of her healing process.
If anyone is in the midwest she is offering programs on this topic in Wisconsin and Minnesota. Her program is thought provoking and quite informative. Watch for her, her name is Carol Jacobs.
Blessings
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Mon, December 15, 2008 - 8:01 AMLinda,
Have been researching Lyme. Am in California, so not close.... Have had Lymes for about 25 yrs. Not doing the antibiotics.
I would appreciate any help you could provide.
Thank-you,
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Mon, December 15, 2008 - 10:51 AMI have had Lyme's disease twice, maybe more?? But both incidents were diagnosed after I had the disease for a few months.. which is not good.
sono, you saw you have had Lymes for 25 years?? I hope I'm mistaken with this, because you would be an exception to the nervous and motor skill debilitation of the disease.
I had to take the antibiotics both times, and they kill all of the good bacteria in you as well, so I was eating yogurt straight out of the tub for like two weeks!
Any more natural remedy would be amazing to learn!!
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Mon, December 15, 2008 - 11:31 AMGreetings. Lyme disease is complex and mysterious for sure. While I am not an expert, I have started to learn more about this. Living in the midwest where it is quite prevelant had lead me to learn more. One thing that is clear to me as I explore this is that there are many phases of this complex state of dis-ease. It is not a matter of addressing just Lyme's but also the coinfections that come with, particularly with long term cases.
My friend Carol Jacobs who is an herbalist has been dealing with the repercussions of Lyme disease for many years as well. She talks alot about recovery over a long period. Some people are not able to recover quickly, particularly if it has taken a long time to diagnosis and from Carol's persepctive nourishment through probiotic foods is an important part of the recovery process. I have taken a class with Carol and will pull my notes out in the next few days and share more of what she had to say about diet. She really has some interesting and good ideas. Also I suspect she would be happy to talk to you, if you PM I can connect you with her.
Herbs that seem to be proving helpful include Teasel Root and Japanese Knotweed root. These are part of several natural protocols, one approach that many people seem to be having good results with is outlined in the book Healing Lyme: Natural Healing And Prevention of Lyme Borreliosis And Its Coinfections by Stephen Buhner
There is also a discussion group which focuses ont his approach, here is the link. health.groups.yahoo.com/group/...Buhner/
Also Mathew Wood is quite knowledgeable and is credited for bringing the wisdom of Teasel Root for dealing with Lyme's to our collective knowledge. His book Herbal Wisdom can be helpful as well.
Herbalist David Winston has done quite a bit of work with Lyme's (he does advocate that antibiotics be used along with natural protocols), but even if you don't want to go that route, his ideas on the herbal component are useful. He has a recording of a class on tick borne dieseases that you can purchase thought his website: www.herbalist-alchemist.com/
I know there are others here who have experience and wisdom on this topic as well. So I suspect you will be offered additional information.
Blessings
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Mon, December 15, 2008 - 3:01 PMThank you for all this great info.
I have been curious about prevention, as in herbs to make the human scent less appealing to the deer ticks. I know this is not foolproof and shouldn't replace whole body checks, since there's the sweat factor, and there's so much area for the tiny things to burrow in. But I heard that rose geranium may be useful in a repellent for this purpose. I started growing some in a pot that I bring in for winter, so that I have it around to add to bug potion.
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Tue, December 16, 2008 - 6:39 AMI am interested in seeds. I had purchased a plant a few years ago at the Womens Herbal Conference in NH from Rosemary Galdstar's daughter.
It did not survive the winter in my garden.
I would like to try again and winter the plant next year in my sun-porch garden.
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Tue, December 16, 2008 - 9:18 AMGreetings Foxglove,
The ideal would be to find seeds and/or plants from your region. If you are not able to do that Horizon Herbs in Oregon is a good source for reliable seed stock. I did grow Spilanthes in my greenhouse a few years ago. It was interesting to connect with the plant, but even in my greenhouse I realized I would never get much of yield for medicine.
Blessings
Linda
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Tue, December 16, 2008 - 9:25 AMteasel doesn't work very well. we hear almost no 'success stories' with it on the lyme forums, whereas most people who use herbal treatment have to work with complex combinations.
There are two or three different options for herbal treatment:
Buhner's book Healing Lyme has a really good overview of the science, at least circa 2005, and his herbal protocol works for some people.
There's a Dr Zhang who wrote a book called Lyme Disease and traditional chinese medicine (I think), which you can find via Amazon.com. Some people have success with his protocol.
the clinic I go to is testing out an herbal formula that they're having good results with, which should become available commercially soon. I don't know what's in it.
this is the fastest-growing vector-borne infection in America (as in, diseases you can get from animals). There are 5 times as many more new cases a year than AIDS, it can be fatal, it can lead to MS, ALS, and Parkinsons symptoms, and has been found in many brains of Alzheimers's patients on autopsy, and it leads to tremendous disability in some cases. Animal studies have shown that some forms of Lyme can exhibit 100% success at evading the immune system. It's not one to fuck around with.
As you research information about this disease, you'll stumble upon a tremendous amount of misinformation. Most of that is the result of a political agenda on the part of the early academic researchers who studied Lyme in the early 80's and made some crucial mistakes that they're still defending 25 years later. They have the ear of the CDC. It's absolutely horrible because the majority of the information that doctors have about this disease is coming from the academic researchers perspective.
Here's a couple of good references to navigating all the controversy:
www.lymemd.blogspot.com (go back to the May entries and work your way backwards, it's otherwise incomprehensible)
This guy is very heavy on antibiotics only, but he's pretty honest about what he doesn't know, and in fact the whole blog is very good at speculating about 'what we don't know' about this baffling bacteria.
He's not seeing much success with herbs but then again a lot of people who do the Buhner protocol alone are the ones with no doctors. The Buhner yahoogroup mentioned in antoher post in this thread is pretty good.
Good 20-minute TV segment about the controversy:
www.kettmann.com/Lyme/
good writeup about chronic Lyme and the controversy:
www.myleftnutmeg.com/showDiary.do
there are two other sources for families of those who are ill:
the book Cure Unknown by science writer Pamela Weintraub, whose whole family became disabled iwth Lyme
the documentary film Under Our Skin which is coming out in theaters in March supposedly
www.youtube.com/watch
to find a lyme-literate doctor in your area:
contact ilads.org (international Lyme and Associated Diseases Society)
or post your location in the 'seeking a doctor' forum at flash.lymenet.com/
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Tue, December 16, 2008 - 8:44 PMMegan,
As far as I can tell the best preventions are wearing long pants, tucking them in your socks and checking yourself really well. Also staying out of wet damp grass. I noticed that on our land in the Driftless region of Wisconsin that ticks are more prevelant in the early spring. During the summer months we do not find very many. They seem to like dampness. So good to know their patterns. Rose geranium may work, it is insect repelling and it can't hurt. Also keeping your immune system strong ie be sure you are nourished, getting enough rest etc. Of course there is no guarantee with any of this, this is a sneaky bacteria. Hope that is helpful.
Blessings
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Fri, June 26, 2009 - 9:59 PMLinda,
How did the Spilanthes do in your greenhouse? Did it re-seed after all? This is one of the few herbs that don't easily grow here that is calling to me right now. I'm having some sensitive tooth nerve pain and I want to encourage the gum to heal and strengthen. I suspect it's happening right outside where i had major dental work done 10 years ago, and I suspect it's receeding there.
I have some Tom's toothpaste for sensitive teeth, but I don't know much about the active ingredient- potassium nitrate, so I don't use it much.
But back to spilanthes... For those of you who use it for teeth/mouth, what do you think would be second best to fresh? Tincture or dried tops/flowers? Maybe this is something I can more easily find fresh when I'm in Northern California in a few weeks, if I can wait. -
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Fri, June 26, 2009 - 11:03 PMwell, i have dried tops from last year, which is easily also possible viable seed.
i just went through the herb room and i am 'cleaning out'. i am pretty sure i have seen four or five new seedlings where the patch was last year...it re seeded itself. here in maryland/eastern wva- no greenhouse...
i can send you the dried tops (i'll have to eat one and tell you if i think it still has strong medicine) from what i remember, the dried top had much more tingle -at least lasted longer- than the fresh. and some tincture ( i have plenty ) it is fresh whole plant, 50/50... if you wish....
pyorrhea runs in my family so this is something i have played around with.
i like the spilanthes mixed with a strong echinacea tincture as a mouth rinse. although my use is more preventative than treatment.
i have used spilanthes on a sensitive tooth and not had to use it a second time.
i have tried toothpower made from baking soda, salt, and powdered prickly ash bark (would've liked it if my powder was really powder and not chunky bits of bark and sometimes holy basil stems...haha...)
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Sat, June 27, 2009 - 12:29 PMThanks so much, amanda, for sharing your experience and for your offer. I would love some tops! I'll email you my address, and would be happy to reimburse you for postage, or to trade anything that grows by me that you might be looking for.
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Sun, June 28, 2009 - 7:16 AMAmanda~
I tried to message you through tribe, and when I sent it, it said an error occurred, so let me know if it doesn't get to you.
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Mon, June 29, 2009 - 1:32 PMHi Megan,
Spilanthes did not do great in my greenhouse, so I have focused on other plants. I wonder if you have tried prickly ash, as it is quite effective when dealing with gums and teeth and it is quite abundant in our neck of the woods. Also an interesting experience I had recently at the energy fair, a woman tasted a high bush cranberry beverage when I served it during my talk. She came to talk with me later and said it relieved a toothache she had been dealing with for a few days. I am imagining that the antibacterial qualities as well as the astringing qualties probably produced this result. I thought this was interesting given that this can be applied to address urinary tract infections, kiling off certain bacteria. Anyway, this is only one experience but one I thought worth following up on, as this too grows abundantly in the midwest.
Blessings
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Mon, June 29, 2009 - 8:01 PMThanks Linda. That's great to know about prickly ash. Not familiar with it, but sounds like it's a tree, yes?
How do you gather it, prepare it, use it?
I planted some highbush cranberry this spring (I think it's trilobum- whichever the native plant is- that's what I have), so that'll be intriguing to try out in the next year or two when it gets going, assuming I need the fruit. -
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Tue, June 30, 2009 - 7:55 AMAmanda- I found your note in my spam folder and tried to reply via tribe, but got the same error message. This has always been my experience using Tribe messaging, but they seem to go through sometimes anyway. Try checking your spam filter for my message, if you don't see it. Otherwise, let me know if you don't get it, and I'll tell you how to email me through another forum.
Thanks!
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Tue, June 30, 2009 - 8:16 AMhi megan. i will look in a bit and get to eating a flower head too....
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Tue, June 30, 2009 - 12:54 PMAnd for prickly ash it is the bark and or fruit that is used...but primarily the bark.
Blessings
Linda
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