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Hi there. I was blessed in 2006 to assist Vinay in building a Hexayurt that became the Axial Temple in Entheon Village at Burning Man. This will be the first year that I will be building one for the playa for myself. I wanted to share with you an idea that I am going to be trying out that may work to keep your Hexayurt a little cooler during the day.
My idea is to install a cheap, solar powered exhaust fan in the roof. I found one on ebay for about $25 that seems to move a decent amount of air and is totally silent. It won't move enough air to cool you off directly, but it I'm hoping that it will be strong enough to stop hot air from collecting at the ceiling. It is small, light and low-profile.
Here is an existing auction so you can see what I'm talking about here.
cgi.ebay.com/Solar-Panel...cmdZViewItem
Cheers!
Spiral
My idea is to install a cheap, solar powered exhaust fan in the roof. I found one on ebay for about $25 that seems to move a decent amount of air and is totally silent. It won't move enough air to cool you off directly, but it I'm hoping that it will be strong enough to stop hot air from collecting at the ceiling. It is small, light and low-profile.
Here is an existing auction so you can see what I'm talking about here.
cgi.ebay.com/Solar-Panel...cmdZViewItem
Cheers!
Spiral
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Re: Ventilating your Hexayurt
Wed, April 2, 2008 - 3:33 PMWow, excellent idea, Spiral. Thank you.
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Re: Ventilating your Hexayurt
Thu, April 3, 2008 - 8:53 AMSure, I'll be building it soon and testing it at Interfuse Regional in Missouri in a month or so. I will let you know how it turns out.
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Re: Ventilating your Hexayurt
Thu, April 3, 2008 - 9:29 AMHey, many of my Southern Ohio, KY, IND folk will be there. I'll tell them to look for your yurt!
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Re: Ventilating your Hexayurt
Thu, April 3, 2008 - 12:35 PMwww.voltscommissar.net/compet...dge.htm
I've been looking into building a solar powered or battery powered swamp cooler to help keep it cool on the playa. I should be building my yurt next month to get ready for Flipside and if I have time, will get the swamp cooler figured out as well.
Just another idea.
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Re: Ventilating your Hexayurt
Wed, May 7, 2008 - 2:36 PMI'm thinking about a swamp cooler too. I saw a great set up at BM 06. A low cost swamp cooler was used, and the pump and fan were replaced with 12 volt versions. This guy also had a snug fitting cover for dust storms so the insides wouldn't get all muddy. Gray water from showers and cleaning was used and filtered through a 4" pvc pipe that was about 3 or 4 feet long and filled with activated charcoal.
I plan to power mine from a solar panel and battery set up. Since I'm going to also have a power inverter (to charge batteries, drive LED lites in the hexayurt) I may power the swamp cooler via AC or DC. From what I've learned, power distribution is easier with AC.
An outdoor shower should provide enough water to keep the hexiyurt reasonably cool. Hopefully other burners will use the shower too, for extra water.
It seems like shutting down the cooler during dust storms would minimize blowing dust into the hexayurt and keep the evaporative panel from getting muddy. It doesn't seem like it would get too hot over a few hours during a storm. -
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Re: Ventilating your Hexayurt
Sun, May 11, 2008 - 12:43 AMSwamp coolers **utterly rock** when coupled with hexayurts. There are some commercial units for about $100 which take about 50 watts of power each. You could feasibly run them from solar panels.
Wouldn't that rock???
PS: Hi Spiral, good to see you man!
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Re: Ventilating your Hexayurt
Fri, July 25, 2008 - 11:47 PMHere are links for the various pieces that I am using to assemble my swamp cooler. (All 12VDC, off my solar panel)
www.southwest-solar.com/produc...t.nhtml Scroll down to "KarlKool 312" to get an idea of what kind of simple storage/filing box you can start with.
For me, the fan is critical. It needs to have a long duty cycle (not burn out from high speed use) and have sufficient CFM's to move the air both through the "cooling media of your choice" like Cel-Dek which is harder to find but very efficient and long lasting. I am going with a Shurflo Marine Blower 4inch. They can be found for about $35 at your local boating store (part #277-4110) They are hardy fans that are designed to take the rigorous abuse that a wet environment on a boat can throw at it. At full speed, they have about a 215CFM rating which is a lot of air and is more than sufficient for the small or stretch hexayurt. I will be hooking up a dimmer like switch to the fan to control the speed.
I also decided to place the swamp cooler outside and run blower hose (which slips on easily of the blower flange) into the side of the hexayurt with a diffuser panel. This solves one problem and creates another. First, it reduces the noise level of the fan (I don't know the exact db rating, but it can be loud at full speed, and I want to sleep comfortably in a quiet yurt) But you now expose the intake of the cooler to dusty air, thus caking your cooling media and the water it is sitting in. A simple fix for this is using the same 3M Filtrete furnace filters (600/1000 rating) that I use on my windows to stop all dust from getting in. If the cooler is placed inside the yurt, just place it up against your filtered window and it will suck clean air through that, plus recycle some of the air in the yurt. I already have a small computer fan in my roof that sucks hot air out the ceiling to keep air moving within the yurt.
Now for the innards...I scrounged up a small used pump from a waterfall/lamp in my house. www.jebao.com/english/displayproduct.php
Again, this will be powered by the same 12VDC, which I will connect to some clear aquarium hose that I drill small holes into, and drape it over the cooling media so that is keeps a constant supply of water flowing over the media. And to deal with the evaporation issue, I will "automate" the water refill process as follows...you can place a small 1 gallon container of water (sealed from the elements of course & elevated for flow) next to the swamp cooler. You run tubing from the bottom of the bucket (simple valve/stopcock) to a connector in the side of your swamp cooler that has a small float valve inside, regulating where your water line is. As the water evaporates, the float drops (like in your toilet) and the bucket drains water into your swamp cooler. Voila!
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Re: Ventilating your Hexayurt
Mon, July 28, 2008 - 9:06 AMSounds pretty cool, definitely going to have to check that out.
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Re: Ventilating your Hexayurt
Thu, April 3, 2008 - 12:50 PMweb-owls.com/2006/05/23/...cient-egypt/
Just taking a damp cloth and covering a window cut into yurt wall might be enough to cut down on some heat provided it is in the path of the wind—especially when combined with the roof exhaust fan. -
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Re: Ventilating your Hexayurt
Thu, April 3, 2008 - 1:57 PMWow, Thanks
I was thinking the same thing with the swamp cooler. I see there are 12v models available but they are not cheap at all. That seems silly to me, judging from how simple the technology is.
Another idea I thought of doing would be to build a chimney out of wide pvc pipe or other water resistant material and make an evaporative cooling tower. The idea is like a swamp cooler. Air enters the top and blows through a wet pad, cooling off by evaporation, the cooler air naturally sinks to the bottom and enters the yurt.
The primary quesitons are how tall does it have to be to work well and how hard is it to keep upright and dust free incase of a storm.
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Re: Ventilating your Hexayurt
Thu, April 3, 2008 - 3:46 PMIt's a very simple technology and really once you got a motor to power the fan and pump it is super easy to build one.
The only issue I have with building one now is getting the solar panel to work and outputing enough energy to turn a fan motor and keeping it working after or during a dust storm. With proper filtering it shouldn't be that hard, but the wet pads would probably have to be cleaned up after a storm - possibly replaced. Using biodegradeable straw pads is an option for replacement and also using cooler melt water or filtered gray water from bathing and cleaning.
Hopefully I'll have a better working idea of how this will work after FS - it may not be quite as hot as the playa, but it gets pretty toasty down here. The Hill Country humidity will play a factor - but while I was growing up in the area we used swamp coolers very effectively in the summer. -
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Re: Ventilating your Hexayurt
Fri, April 4, 2008 - 7:37 AMWonderful, this is why I love the internet. Ideas can just take off and trip on these amazing flows. Gray water cooling sounds economical to me.
As for the solar issue. You are probably better off putting a rechargable battery and charge controller between the solar panel and the swamp cooler. This way you can run off battery during dust storms and charge the battery when it's sunny.
The more I think about it, a home-made swamp cooler seems like the way to go. I wonder how well it would work if you used pearlite sandwiched in metal screen instead of a wet pad. Use an electric pump to trickle water over the pearlite, it has a huge surface area and can evaporate a lot of water with out getting mushy and gross.
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Re: Ventilating your Hexayurt
Mon, April 7, 2008 - 8:11 AMYou're probably right on the battery instead of a direct charge from the panel. I'll definitely look into doing that.
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Re: Ventilating your Hexayurt
Tue, April 8, 2008 - 11:29 AMIt is used in horticulture for aerating and hydrating soil blends. It looks like little bits of white gravel made from pumice like stone. It has a high surface area because of all the little holes in it. -
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Re: Ventilating your Hexayurt
Tue, April 8, 2008 - 11:30 AMwww.perlite.net/ for more info
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Re: Ventilating your Hexayurt
Wed, May 7, 2008 - 1:30 PMSounds like an interesting idea. My only concern would be to have a quick and effective way to seal the vent (tightly) during a dust storm... -
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Re: Ventilating your Hexayurt
Sat, June 21, 2008 - 9:58 PManyone built or gotten their swamp coolers or solar roof vents yet? curious how well they work.
We just built our first hexayurt- an 8ft folding unit...pretty excited about it...we're building three more soon- would like to get more ideas on proper ventilation if anyone else has tips. -
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Re: Ventilating your Hexayurt
Sat, July 26, 2008 - 7:07 PMI posted some photos of the cooler I described in the post above.
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Re: Ventilating your Hexayurt
Thu, August 28, 2008 - 9:20 AMI'm curious as to how exactly you worked out the folding issue; and I'd like to hear how it has worked out for you in the desert this year.
Eric
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Solar exhaust did not suck (enough)
Tue, September 9, 2008 - 4:37 PMThe solar powered exhaust fans didn't move NEARLY enough air to keep a standard 8' (16 feet across, 8 ft. tall) hexayurt cool. Those solar mounted roof fans simply couldn't do the job.
The interior of the yurt was stiflingly humid. Our plans for a cool sleeping place were for nought!
But no- all was not lost. We had more people coming later in the week and we had them:
Bring 4x 4" computer case fans and furnace filters. We cut two small ports in the lower part of the yurt- shady side, and installed the fans to move air IN to the yurt (through a filter).
We used two fans to move air out the top (also filtered).
You could put your hand on the exhaust fan outlet (outside the yurt) and FEEL the hot, wet, stick air being blown out.
Then again, we did something novel with our yurts. We connected three of them together in a triangle / honeycomb type arrangement. The one door in to the yurt opened in to a "front room" where we put our stuff, food, table, camel-backs and some chairs. This room connected to both of the other rooms (but the rooms did not connect to each other, though they shared a common wall).
These two other rooms were the collective bedrooms. 7 people, 3 yurt structures.
The common room had the intakes, each bedroom had both a solar fan and an exhaust fan. IT still got a bit humid by the time 1pm rolled around, even when we opened th door (loathe as we were to do so because of the wind).
All in all, the more ventilation you can get, the better. :)
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Re: Solar exhaust did not suck (enough)
Wed, November 26, 2008 - 9:23 AMI had the same issue. It was actually cooler with the swamp cooler off. It just made it into a sauna. -
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Re: Solar exhaust did not suck (enough)
Thu, April 16, 2009 - 8:33 PMSo the verdict is this system doesn't work? what about more air flow via more exhaust fans? I was thinking 3 computer fans. I'm kind of excited to try a similar set up, powered by a solar/battery system, but don't want to build a "sauna". -
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Re: Solar exhaust did not suck (enough)
Mon, May 18, 2009 - 8:40 PMI've taken a 6' to Burning Man for one year, and have used it at Flipside and various other Austin events for three years.
I tried using one of those solar-powered car window-gap fans as an output fan at Burning Man, and it didn't seem to help very much.
I rigged some simple swamp coolers by attaching water bottles cut long-ways below the windows and putting wicking material in them. This helped a little at Burning Man. The same setup larger could help a *lot*, but as we're seeing above, you can go above a certain level of humidity before it gets too wet.
I tried using one of the little misters in the 6' at Burning Man and it worked as advertised. Instant drop of 10-15 degrees that lasts about 15-30 minutes. Very good for stretching out your final wakeup time.
The thing I'll be trying next time I take any kind of radiant barrier structure to Burning Man is to have something that drips water on the apex of the *outside* of the roof when the sun comes up. If it's set up properly it will evaporate and cool the 'yurt without increasing inside humidity.
Flipside is almost certainly too humid for a swamp cooler to be worth trying, unless maybe it's set up outside the yurt as above. Relative humidity at Flipside is generally between 45-65%, which means that 100 degrees at Flipside is actually subjectively a *lot* worse than at Burning Man. At BM the heat is dangerous because it sneaks up on you. At Flipside, it kicks you in the face.
At both events, just having the hexayurt instead of tent meant being able to sleep until past noon instead of being driven out of my tent at 9:30 AM. This difference is the reason I built it, and so far it's paid off.
Having a prevailing breeze at Flipside 2008 made all the difference in the temperature. I have several small windows and one small section cut out of the apex of the roof. The wind kept the temperature way down most of the time, but once when it stopped the temperature went up about 10 degrees almost instantly.
I want to try roof and soffit vents with my newly stretched out 6'-Stretch at Flipside, but I just did my first test assembly an hour ago, and I have to finish packing tomorrow. :) Maybe I'll get it done for Decompression.
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