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hi there
i was taught how to twirl like a dervish a few months ago, i couldnt get the hang of it straight away and gave up for a awhile . one day i just felt ready and started again now im addicted and love it. im doing it for about 2 mins anti clockwise which feels natural to me. my questions is whats the difference between turning clockwise and anticlockwise energy flow wise. and what are the benefits to twrling . i would love to find out peoples personal experiences.
i was taught how to twirl like a dervish a few months ago, i couldnt get the hang of it straight away and gave up for a awhile . one day i just felt ready and started again now im addicted and love it. im doing it for about 2 mins anti clockwise which feels natural to me. my questions is whats the difference between turning clockwise and anticlockwise energy flow wise. and what are the benefits to twrling . i would love to find out peoples personal experiences.
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Re: twirling energy flow
Sat, June 13, 2009 - 10:39 AMI am a whirling dervish and in our tradition (Mevlevi dervishes) we turn anti-clock wise. A turning ceremony symbolises the planets turning around the sun. I don't worry about not turning in the other direction ( a planet doesn't change it's mind about the direction it spins in).
It becomes less of a concern about energy flow (although that happens in a big way) especially the heaven/earth connection but contacting a deep deep level of stillness which quietens the mind. If you want to know more please get in touch.
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Re: twirling energy flow
Sat, June 13, 2009 - 6:37 PMIf you plant a stick in the ground, and mark a circle around it... a basic "medicine wheel" or mandala... and mark the points at which the shadow crosses the circle at dawn, noon and dusk, with a stone, you will move in a clockwise fashion from one to another -- west, north, and east, opposite the apparent position of the sun in the sky. By implication the sun is hidden, in the North, at midnight. Were the sun visible the shadow would touch the south point of the wheel. This is deisil, in Celtic terms -- "sunwise."
But in reality, the sun does not move. The Earth does, and so does the wheel. And it turns counter-clockwise to create the apparent clockwise direction of the sun (and moon, and stars). The staff at the center rotates counter-clockwise. That is you, as you dance. And as you spin, your core is the still point at the center of the turning world, ultimately in perfect stillness.
Also, I have noticed that when you spin clockwise, your energy spirals outwards into the world. As you spin counter-clockwise, your energy spirals inwards towards your core. It is expansion and contraction, out breath and in breath, and so forth. Watching especially dervishes whirling, I see above all stillness. They are drawing their energy inwards, towards their center, their Spirit, the place in which they are ultimately united with the Beloved. That is what I see, anyway.
Personally, I like to do one, then the other, spiraling inwards, and outwards. Expansion and contraction; drawing blessings in, and then sending them outwards to all beings....
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Re: twirling energy flow
Mon, June 15, 2009 - 7:24 AMnot to be argy-bargy, but the sun is moving all the time also - there's no actual stillness anywhere in our universe...
This may be a dumb question, but does that stick/sun thing work all over the planet? Just wondering - -
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Re: twirling energy flow
Tue, June 16, 2009 - 12:41 PMOf course, the sun is moving. Imagine you are twirling a poi ball around your head. Now walk around the block, continuing to twirl that ball around your head. You are the sun; the ball is the earth. Relative to the balls motion, you are the still point in the center of it's orbit around you. Relative to the block you are walking around, that whole 'system' (you, the ball) is moving. And of course that block is moving... It's just a matter of the frame of reference in which you want to describe it.
Two cars are moving at the same speed down the highway. Relative to one another, they are not moving. Relative to the highway, both are moving, at the same speed. Now one driver decides to pass the other car. Now she is moving relative to the other car, easily passing it. Relative to the highway she accelerated to pass the other car. Again, its depends on which frame of reference you describe what is happening in.
But all, ultimately, is in motion, and changing. Is there, ultimately, any stillness then? Anything that remains the same? How do we recognize movement or change, if there is not stillness or something unchanging, to contrast it with? Is there, in the end, one absolute frame of reference? Physicists are still looking for one, the Unified Field. Most religions, of course, with the possible exception of Buddhism, posit an absolute frame of reference -- God or the Ultimate Ground of Being. Some Buddhist teachings on the other hand argue that there is no absolute frame of reference, and we've got to just deal with it. We've got to learn to be ok with that fact, and when we do, we become free to swim in the void.. But then, isn't the void, sunyata, itself a frame of reference? ;)
Isn't the Universe just the strangest thing you've ever seen? ;)
The second question is easier. Anywhere the sun casts a shadow, it will be opposite its apparent position... but now, one may ask, what at the poles? If the stick is at the North Pole, for example, than anywhere the shadow points it will be south. ;)
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Re: twirling energy flow
Tue, June 16, 2009 - 1:37 PMIn the practice of the 5 Tibetan Rites (an ancient yoga practice), one of the rites is to twirl first in one direction and then in the other. If this works for one healing/spiritual system, then it probably doesn't hurt for another. But, I'm not certain ... that's just my guess.
As far as energy going out into the world in a clockwise direction, that's not necessarily a bad thing. Think of it as giving/making a contribution to the world ... sending out healing/spiritual energy. -
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Re: twirling energy flow
Tue, June 16, 2009 - 1:41 PM[Continued from my previous post] ... like Yeshes said.
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Re: twirling energy flow
Mon, July 27, 2009 - 5:28 PMI am glad I discovered this post... I have been looking for these answers for ages!
All these explanations and the symbolism of the planets is just breathtaking!
It also reminds as that we are a part of this universe, a concept we tend to forget in this modern and materialistic Western society.
Ashley, for some reason, it feels natural for me as well to twirl anticlockwise!!! ; )
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Re: twirling energy flow
Mon, September 14, 2009 - 4:07 PMAlso whirling conter-clockwise, ie to the left, is moving you towards your heart. You pull the energies up through the earth (left hand down) pass through your heart and give out to the heavens/world (right hand up) As you spin ground yourself and spiral in towards your heart. :-)